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BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:04 PM

A lot of large companies use spam filtration software and prohosters (my hosts) mail servers are almost always blacklisted. I hate having to explain to clients that I can't send them email because my mail server is blocked.

anyone else have this problem and if so do you know a way around it?

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 09:07 PM

Use your isp's mail server, every isp has one.

MiLo · 10-21-2002, 09:07 PM

i had the same problem when i was on XXXWebhosting
a few years ago, it was amazing the amount of mail servers
that didn´t accepted my mail.

Maybe use your ISP SMTP server?

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 09:08 PM

And if your on a T-1 or a DS3 (

) without a mailserver, set one up yourself, it will connect to the clients isp mx server & send the mail directly.

Webby · 10-21-2002, 09:09 PM

PureMeds:

*g* Know the PH problem well.. got a server there with a couple of email optin progs on it.. might as well forget em cos the mail spamming shit has screwed em totally..

Only solution is to move off the PH network... will do that when I got time! :-)

BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:10 PM

Im guessing, as I was told a while back when I was going to resell for prohosters that they could set me up with my own dns servers, so I guess I could get my own mail servers as well?

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
Im guessing, as I was told a while back when I was going to resell for prohosters that they could set me up with my own dns servers, so I guess I could get my own mail servers as well?

Yea but honestly man, just use your isp's mail server. If you're looking to run an opt-in program, go host with a different company, because yes...they are mad blacklisted all over the place.

Although, i think they just switched providers...so i would think they have diff IP blocks now?

Webby · 10-21-2002, 09:13 PM

PureMeds:

*Im guessing, as I was told a while back when I was going to resell for prohosters that they could set me up with my own dns servers, so I guess I could get my own mail servers as well?*

Think that was the reason Verio dumped PH (spamming) .. Might be worth waiting to see if they can kill the problem with the new supplier....

BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0

Yea but honestly man, just use your isp's mail server. If you're looking to run an opt-in program, go host with a different company, because yes...they are mad blacklisted all over the place.

Although, i think they just switched providers...so i would think they have diff IP blocks now?

sorry to be an idiot, so I would just set my smtp server to my isp, and leave all other settings the same? So I could still receive mail on my main accounts, using prohosters pop3 settings but my send mail would simply pass through my isp? correct?

BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:16 PM

I also should add that I think prohosters is a very good host, never had any other problems besides this one.

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds

sorry to be an idiot, so I would just set my smtp server to my isp, and leave all other settings the same? So I could still receive mail on my main accounts, using prohosters pop3 settings but my send mail would simply pass through my isp? correct?

Affirmative, you only need to change your smtp field, leave everything else the same.

Webby · 10-21-2002, 09:19 PM

PureMeds:

PH POP's seem to work OK.. tis just the problem communicating outside the PH network... tried that and still don't work! *s*

Had PH trying to "do something" for almost 2 weeks.. but boils down to what others outside their network think and who decides to ban em...

multisexsite · 10-21-2002, 09:24 PM

that sucks dude, I'd change hosts today.

BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by multisexsite
that sucks dude, I'd change hosts today.

As I said before, prohosters is a good host as far as uptime goes (semi-dedicated) I never have had a problem with downtime with them and that's all that matters to me especially since I pay for a lot of my traffic. As long as there is a way around this problem, Ill stick with them.

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds

As I said before, prohosters is a good host as far as uptime goes (semi-dedicated) I never have had a problem with downtime with them and that's all that matters to me especially since I pay for a lot of my traffic. As long as there is a way around this problem, Ill stick with them.

Once you switch your smtp server to your isp's...send me a test e-mail [email protected]

Earthlink has one of the best spam protection systems in the world. If i get your e-mail, so will everyone else.

BJ · 10-21-2002, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0

Once you switch your smtp server to your isp's...send me a test e-mail [email protected]

Earthlink has one of the best spam protection systems in the world. If i get your e-mail, so will everyone else.

thanks pr0, I just sent ya an email with new settings

dickblast · 10-21-2002, 10:46 PM

earthlink doesnt use spews as far as i know

but ph is supposedly killin off all spammaz now so they might get un-BLed one of these days

some ppl on here got canned i think ;)

pr0 · 10-21-2002, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds

thanks pr0, I just sent ya an email with new settings

got it

Brad Mitchell · 10-21-2002, 11:43 PM

Uh... don't think there is such a thing as getting un-blacklisted. Let me know if it happens, though!

Brad

Backov · 10-22-2002, 12:25 AM

Sure is, Brad. All you have to do is tell the SPEWS and MAPS guys that you're a good boy now, and they can and will take you off if it proves to be so.

However, it is then up to the ISPs that are using the SPEWS RBL to actually update and use the new list.

Simple solution to ProHosters: Kill your spammers, or suck it up.

Cheers,
Backov

Brad Mitchell · 10-22-2002, 01:15 AM

I suppose I'm still learning about all that. I've never allowed spammers on my network so these things haven't been an issue yet. From what I hear, they've been cutting spammers. Hopefully Ted is able to work things out.

Brad

posh rat in hell · 10-22-2002, 03:28 AM

Email blacklisting should be a major concern if you plan on sending out legitimate email from your host.

A good way to see how spam-friendly is (a bad thing if you send legit email), check on www.spews.org for an IP they give out (use the ip of their website if you don't know of any customer's).

If it says: "This was NOT found in SPEWS.", generally that means that they are not spam friendly.

If it says: "This IP address was found in SPEWS.", generally that means they are spam friendly.

To check a little further, click the evidence file, if there are a lot of entries beginning with "0," and entries that end with any network more specific than /24 -- eg /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31/ 32-- it usually indicates a listing for one specific customer for special reasons (usually not for spam directly, but for sites that just tend to have a lot of spam emails pointing to sites, eg freehosts).

If you see anything with a "1," entry on a network less specific than /23 (eg /22 /21 /20 /19 /18 /17 /16 ...) that is a sure sign of a spam-friendly, or just plain clueless isp, and I'd stay away.

Some entries are in a different format.
( a.b.c.d - e.f.g.h )
if:
a = e
b = f
d = 0
h = 0

(most cases)
g-c = 0 /24
g-c = 1 /23
g-c = 3 /22
g-c = 7 /21
g-c = 15 /20
g-c = 31 /19
g-c = 63 /18
g-c = 127 /17

"0, " entries are whitelisted
"1, " entires are "serious" listings
"2, " are not as series as "1, " listings.

10-21-2002, 09:04 PM	#1
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	prohosters mail servers (embarrasing) A lot of large companies use spam filtration software and prohosters (my hosts) mail servers are almost always blacklisted. I hate having to explain to clients that I can't send them email because my mail server is blocked. anyone else have this problem and if so do you know a way around it?

10-21-2002, 09:07 PM	#3
MiLo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: city of the living dead Posts: 2,970	i had the same problem when i was on XXXWebhosting a few years ago, it was amazing the amount of mail servers that didn´t accepted my mail. Maybe use your ISP SMTP server? __________________ ICQ: 9203112

10-21-2002, 10:46 PM	#17
dickblast Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ben Curtis's Tour Bus Posts: 666	earthlink doesnt use spews as far as i know but ph is supposedly killin off all spammaz now so they might get un-BLed one of these days some ppl on here got canned i think ;) __________________ Ben Curtis is a Ninja

10-22-2002, 12:25 AM	#20
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Sure is, Brad. All you have to do is tell the SPEWS and MAPS guys that you're a good boy now, and they can and will take you off if it proves to be so. However, it is then up to the ISPs that are using the SPEWS RBL to actually update and use the new list. Simple solution to ProHosters: Kill your spammers, or suck it up. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

10-22-2002, 01:15 AM	#21
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I suppose I'm still learning about all that. I've never allowed spammers on my network so these things haven't been an issue yet. From what I hear, they've been cutting spammers. Hopefully Ted is able to work things out. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-21-2002, 09:07 PM	#2
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Use your isp's mail server, every isp has one.

10-21-2002, 09:08 PM	#4
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	And if your on a T-1 or a DS3 ( ) without a mailserver, set one up yourself, it will connect to the clients isp mx server & send the mail directly.

10-21-2002, 09:09 PM	#5
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	PureMeds: g Know the PH problem well.. got a server there with a couple of email optin progs on it.. might as well forget em cos the mail spamming shit has screwed em totally.. Only solution is to move off the PH network... will do that when I got time! :-)

10-21-2002, 09:10 PM	#6
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	Im guessing, as I was told a while back when I was going to resell for prohosters that they could set me up with my own dns servers, so I guess I could get my own mail servers as well?

10-21-2002, 09:13 PM	#8
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	PureMeds: Im guessing, as I was told a while back when I was going to resell for prohosters that they could set me up with my own dns servers, so I guess I could get my own mail servers as well? Think that was the reason Verio dumped PH (spamming) .. Might be worth waiting to see if they can kill the problem with the new supplier....

10-21-2002, 09:16 PM	#10
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	I also should add that I think prohosters is a very good host, never had any other problems besides this one.

10-21-2002, 09:19 PM	#12
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	PureMeds: PH POP's seem to work OK.. tis just the problem communicating outside the PH network... tried that and still don't work! s Had PH trying to "do something" for almost 2 weeks.. but boils down to what others outside their network think and who decides to ban em...

10-21-2002, 09:24 PM	#13
multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	that sucks dude, I'd change hosts today.

10-21-2002, 11:43 PM	#19
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Uh... don't think there is such a thing as getting un-blacklisted. Let me know if it happens, though! Brad

10-22-2002, 03:28 AM	#22
posh rat in hell Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 403	Email blacklisting should be a major concern if you plan on sending out legitimate email from your host. A good way to see how spam-friendly is (a bad thing if you send legit email), check on www.spews.org for an IP they give out (use the ip of their website if you don't know of any customer's). If it says: "This was NOT found in SPEWS.", generally that means that they are not spam friendly. If it says: "This IP address was found in SPEWS.", generally that means they are spam friendly. To check a little further, click the evidence file, if there are a lot of entries beginning with "0," and entries that end with any network more specific than /24 -- eg /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31/ 32-- it usually indicates a listing for one specific customer for special reasons (usually not for spam directly, but for sites that just tend to have a lot of spam emails pointing to sites, eg freehosts). If you see anything with a "1," entry on a network less specific than /23 (eg /22 /21 /20 /19 /18 /17 /16 ...) that is a sure sign of a spam-friendly, or just plain clueless isp, and I'd stay away. Some entries are in a different format. ( a.b.c.d - e.f.g.h ) if: a = e b = f d = 0 h = 0 (most cases) g-c = 0 /24 g-c = 1 /23 g-c = 3 /22 g-c = 7 /21 g-c = 15 /20 g-c = 31 /19 g-c = 63 /18 g-c = 127 /17 "0, " entries are whitelisted "1, " entires are "serious" listings "2, " are not as series as "1, " listings. Last edited by posh rat in hell; 10-22-2002 at 03:30 AM..