Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 14435192)

hjnet, those sites all run off of pre-paid spots. Back 3 years ago I used to get $6,000 for a text link on ampland. I would sell 5 or 6 of those a month. That was just to honest webmasters who wanted real traffic.

If I could easily make 30 grand cash every month in extra income off of the "good guys" with just a simple text link that should give you a clue right there.

Now talking about the pre-paid spots you see on Tubes? I had offers of 20 grand a month from one of our favorite dating sites. And that was when ampland had around 800,000 uniques a day.

The dating sites weren't interested in sales. They were interested in numbers. And building a brand. Which eventually led to their big half billion dollar sale.

And that is how tube sites make money. Pre-paid spots. Nobody is selling anything off of those sites. It's just a numbers game that leads to big money down the line for the companies that buy those spots. Gives 'em fake numbers to use to make real money somewhere else.

The guys who did it already have made their money. Smart. But now all the johnny-come-latelies are gonna have a much harder time trying to pull that same stunt because the very foundation of this trick is empty. No sales. As penthouse is apparently finding out now that their paysites are falling fast.

It's a cool game of smoke and mirrors for the advertisers on tube sites. But eventually money has to be MADE and not just scammed. I wouldn't give a shit about any of it except for the fact that it's KILLING legit sales to so many sites now.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 14435192)

hjnet, those sites all run off of pre-paid spots. Back 3 years ago I used to get $6,000 for a text link on ampland. I would sell 5 or 6 of those a month. That was just to honest webmasters who wanted real traffic.

If I could easily make 30 grand cash every month in extra income off of the "good guys" with just a simple text link that should give you a clue right there.

Now talking about the pre-paid spots you see on Tubes? I had offers of 20 grand a month from one of our favorite dating sites. And that was when ampland had around 800,000 uniques a day.

The dating sites weren't interested in sales. They were interested in numbers. And building a brand. Which eventually led to their big half billion dollar sale.

And that is how tube sites make money. Pre-paid spots. Nobody is selling anything off of those sites. It's just a numbers game that leads to big money down the line for the companies that buy those spots. Gives 'em fake numbers to use to make real money somewhere else.

The guys who did it already have made their money. Smart. But now all the johnny-come-latelies are gonna have a much harder time trying to pull that same stunt because the very foundation of this trick is empty. No sales. As penthouse is apparently finding out now that their paysites are falling fast.

It's a cool game of smoke and mirrors for the advertisers on tube sites. But eventually money has to be MADE and not just scammed. I wouldn't give a shit about any of it except for the fact that it's KILLING legit sales to so many sites now.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14435803)

I read if youtube wasnt bought by google,they would of had serious money problems.They were drowning in bw bills. Now after the Viacom hit,which will show people go to youtube more times to look at unlicensed content than someones home movies.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 14435895)

Well they also weren't founded in "a garage" but had like 8 mil. of VC available for the start as far as I have heard..

Originally Posted by hjnet (Post 14434343)

Mad monies for the web hosts, they really must be partying over the latest trends :)

Originally Posted by NaughtyJohnson (Post 14436370)

What kills me is a-holes that deliberately post your full length vids. I consider that drawing a line in the sand.

Originally Posted by hjnet (Post 14435764)

That's a good point, but as you already said, that game can't be played by small/mid sized webmasters. And supports my theory that most tubes can't/couldn't cover their BW bill with just "normal" sponsor sales. (I'm talking about illegal tubes here, with fullsize movies.)