I will look more into it and hope I can find some non biased research. Though I am not too concerned about muscle mass or any of that stuff, the only thing I am concerned about is not being able to get it up as I get older. Its not a problem yet but I've recently turned 30 and wonder how long until problems might occur.

No, only certain ones cause any ED...Like Decca Durabolin. But since most of the pro bodybuilders are using stacks of many different anabolics that counteract that, they don't have that problem either. Matter of fact you would have to be an idiot to only take something like Decca and NOT stack it with some test and HGH.

And of course...use of testosterone itself causes your dick to get HARD! One of the many great benefits of testosterone...as well as sharper mental skills, better mood and outlook on life, increased muscle mass and most importantly decreased fat. That's why doctors prescribe it to millions of men.

It's like anything you take. If you abuse it then yes you can hurt yourself in the long run. But if you use it in moderation you will have a better quality of life as a man.
Hell, I could sit here and swallow 1000 aspirin and have an overdose and die. But that doesn't mean that aspirin is "bad".

I think the govt. has brainwashed people to the point that it's just ridiculous.
Every guy in his 20's has grown up thinking that if they ever have unprotected sex they will die. If they smoke a joint they will be addicted. And if they take steroids they will have sloped foreheads and then die with small dicks.

Sometimes all the above do happen to people. But the chances of any of it happening are far less than getting struck by lightning. Yes, you MIGHT get unlucky and fuck a girl with HIV. Of course your chances of dying in a car accident are a million times greater. And yes you MIGHT smoke a joint and find you are addicted...but only if you already have an addictive personality. And yes you might take steroids and eventually die with a small dick. But only if you take enough to kill an elephant and you already had a small dick.

Just remember this: There are a lot of fat guys out there with tiny cocks. And "normal" guys with tiny cocks. And skinny guys with tiny cocks. So finding pics of guys on juice with small cocks is not representative of anything. They already had a small dick to begin with.

There are several guys in this industry who shoot for big companies who are juiced like bodybuilders and have huge cocks that are always hard in every scene they do.

But how do you think they stack it? They don't run test throughout the whole cycle. I've done roids, and didn't have any major problems, but it did cause temporary ED (well not completely, but close). I don't think there is anything majorly wrong with it all, every drug has side-effects and used responsibly they aren't permanent as long as you run a proper PCT and don't abuse the substance. Anyway I am not a professor on the issue, but I think it's silly to deny all side-effects. When you are using it to gain mass, you are usually putting an unnatural level of test into your body, which causes your natural mechanisms to shut down temporarily no? If done so responsibly it still isn't a major issue at all, and that is why I personally think it should be prescribed by a doctor - even for performance enhancing reasons.

really? i have a bias? you have done nothing but comment on something you know absolutely nothing about and you think my comments are invalid because some some sort of bias from years of learning and first hand experience?

you know nothing about all the classes of drugs that fall under the broadly defined word "steroid" - how different drugs act in your body and what potential side effects might occur from any of them. testosterone is not anadrol. testosterone, albeit quite a powerful hormone has no negative health effects unless you are using a retarded amount and are genetically prone to certain things like gynocomastia.. in which case, you have plenty of advance symptoms and can quit with no long term, negative effects.

most steroids, when properly used do nothing but wonders for your body.

its a shame that these drugs have been demonized to the point that its quite ok to give a kid ridilin, but incomprehensible to boost your own testosterone levels, improve muscle strength, muscle mass, improve your mental acuity, bone density and correct 100 other age related things that are happening to your body simply because of a lack of adequate hormones.

of course your body changes as you age. the point is not about avoiding anything. for most people outside of competitive bodybuilding (who are not retarded), its about living a perfectly healthy life up until the age of 90-100 and then dropping dead. saying one shouldn't try avoid 10 years in a nursing home or any one of 1000's of diseases connected to aging and poor health is retarded.

hate to break it to you but chemistry is chemistry. you can modify your body chemistry by eating a bag of oranges,.. you can modify your body chemistry by eating 2000 mg of Vitamin C a day. we do countless things to modify our body chemistry that isn't taboo, but is absolutely no different (discounting those who abuse drugs) ... You can supplement declining androgenic hormone production by injecting testosterone into your ass or by supplementing with HGH or quite a few other drugs and see almost instant health benefits.

the most humorous thing about people ranting and raving and babbling about the health risks of steroids is that they can't even possibly begin to fathom how common they are and how widely they are used... and are not willing to, or can't make the distinction between safe use and abuse.

As long as they are in the phase of putting on mass they sure do. Matter of fact most use propianate testosterone even when they are "cutting" pre-contest. And no, there is no way in hell that you can use testosterone and not have a hard on. LOL! And of course if you "go off" of testosterone you are going to have a crash, since your body isn't making any. But it doesn't really matter to someone my age. My body wouldn't make enough test on it's own at 46 to do me any good anyway. So a once a week 1 cc injection of 250 mg of testosterone keeps me muscular, alert, horny, and just overall feeling like a million bucks. I have no reason to ever stop taking it. If I did I would end up looking like every middle-aged pot bellied, soft guy in the world. I don't want that. I want to have a QUALITY of life and not just be alive, but be ALIVE! If you know what I mean.
I'm not a professional bodybuilder of course, but I do have some knowledge of bodybuilding and of stacks (I danced in and ran a male strip show from 1996 to 2002 and we were all pretty juiced), and I can definitely tell you that for the majority of men using steroids...a testosterone is a key component of the stack
Of course everyone has a slightly different physiology.
For instance, I'm a "hard gainer" I'm 6' tall and I only weighed 140 pounds until 1994 when I started doing weight training at the gym.
I can eat and eat and eat and work out with heavy weights and do everything under the sun...but I still only weigh 210 pounds now. I spent the last decade trying to bulk up to 225 of solid muscle but just can't do it. :(
But that's just me. Other people's physiology could be the direct opposite...they may have to diet and diet and diet and still stay big.
Shit affects everyone differently to a degree.
But the majority of men bulking up use cypionate or ethanate or a combo (sustanon) type of testosterone. And then when they are ready to "dry out" and rip off ALL the body fat they switch over to a "lean cycle" which will always include propianate testosterone because it doesn't retain water like the other tests do.
But again, that's body building.
For "normal" guys...250 mg of cyp or enth a week is enough to make you look great with your shirt off (as long as you hit the gym HARD) and keep your dick standing at attention anytime it's called upon to do so. :)

Have you really ever heard of someone taking hgh or test from age 40-90? I very much doubt it. Anyways, you make some good arguments but until i see people who aren't musclehead workout freaks taking it for its health benefits, I don't think I'll be using it.

again... TONS of fucking people use both HGH and Test for anti-aging purposes. there are endless clinics in the US that prescribe both for this exact reason and most urologists do. its not like this is secret knowledge... this is all basically common sense stuff and you think you are being clever.

do you expect to see people walking around with an "I use HGH" stamp on their forehead? using HGH as a supplement costs 800-1600.00 per month (or can be less depending on brands, and more companies are manufacturing it these days). maybe you aren't aware of it because of the circles you travel in.

Exactly! Nobody takes pictures of regular people who are on it. But you better believe that they are all around you. That 70 year old guy that you've seen around town with all the energy? That's one. The 55 year old guy at the gym with a better body than you? That's another one. The 60 year old guy at the titty bar who is fit and with a nice tan and takes the whores to the back in the vip? That's another one. It's all about quality of life. Hell, you can even get crazy with it and not hurt yourself. Look at Stallone. He uses massive amounts and has been doing so for 40 years. He looks great and he's in his 60's.
Think about it like this: Millions of people smoke cigarettes. It's killing them. No benefit at all. Just pure poison. Yet people go and buy them over the counter everyday and "inject" nicotine into their systems.
But let a guy inject a naturally produced hormone and all of a sudden everybody is screaming bloody murder.
It's not our fault that through modern science that we live a lot longer. It made sense for our testosterone levels to start dropping at 18....most people were dying in their late 20's and early 30's for most of mankinds existence.
But now that we are living a lot longer, it only makes good sense to enhance what evolution can't keep up with. But that's a choice everyone has to make for themselves.
Me? I want to live a full life. I like to travel, I like to party, I like to fuck, and I like to feel good. When a guy gets to a certain age and starts to feel and look like shit, then maybe a different attitude towards it will occur. If a guy is still in his 20's and 30's he probably doesn't feel or see the effects of loss of testosterone yet.
But you will. And when you do, you will gladly take an injection of test once a week to enjoy life to it's fullest. Why on earth wouldn't a person do that?

that was kinda funny.... he got busted with 5 Jintropin kits and he was only supposed to be in Australia for like 2 weeks or less.

Very possible. I hang out with regular people who typically aren't obsessed with their looks. By your logic everyone over a certain age should be using it but personally, I have never heard of anyone using it who wasn't sick with something. Have fun being dependent upon it for the rest of your life.

50 shrunken testicles:Oh crap

1) i'm not using anything right now

2) there is no reason to be dependent on anything for "the rest of your life

3) i am in the worst shape i have been in, in 4 years

4) the only time you hear about anyone using steroids is when they are abusing them or get in trouble in sports. otherwise, people don't talk about it. thinking you would be "hearing about it" is ignorant. people typically don't talk about it at all. not so sure why you think you should be "in the know"

5) "my logic" has nothing to do with medical fact. and yeah, everyone past their 30's would find significant benefits to supplementing growth hormone and testosterone. its pretty fucking retarded to say "well, my body is dying and even though i can make myself much much healthier with supplments, diet and exercise, i'm not going to. Instead, i am just going to be an idiot, admit i know nothing about what i am talking about and on top of that, i'll just criticize those who do"

you don't have anything intelligent to say on the subject, so you have to keep making all these pathetic remarks.

no doubt you have been googling frantically and have been kinda suprised to see its pretty hard to find any published, peer reviewed medical studies saying "you won't benefit from using HGH" or espousing the potential harmful effects. instead, you are finding out that its far more common than you thought, that the health benefits are immense and that its even commonly prescribed to children.