Socks

Had a thought reading that other guys thread about stopping torrent and tube sites, and I had a thought.

What if a bunch of us made an effort to start a bunch of porn torrent and tube sites, small and completely illegal but with good intentions.

They would operate as fronts for their real mission - data collection. Put something tricky into the TOS so that by using the site for illegal activities they are breaking your terms, and record as much information about each user as possible.

Send heavy usage users threatening legal letters, without naming the specific sites they used, but make reference to all the porn things they downloaded, in as much detail as possible.

Hung Black Gay Gangbang 15 - 4.2gb downloaded
Cum Dumpsters Site Rip - 3.2gb downloaded
Fuck My Dirty Pussy 4 - 1.4gb downloaded

This will lead to divorces, news coverage, and lots of fear.. You don't even need to take them to court, just sending the letters would do enough damage.

Lots of parents would also be getting these letters, and banning their kids from using the internet too.

People always say they never go after the users, and with the inability to go after the site owners at this point, why not fuck with the users who are causing all this shit in the first place?

The other idea I had...

Some file formats have reserved space, that is ignored by the reader. A good example is jpg EXIF data. Other movie formats also have space that could be utilized in similar ways, and unless a reader was programmed specifically to find this data, it would pretty much be completely invisible.

Paysite owners could write small bits of encrypted data to their movies right before the movie gets sent to their customers, which would be harmless. However. If they went and uploaded that file to certain places, you could just download the file and find out information like: who originally downloaded it from your site, and their IP address (after decoding it). Of course if they sent it to a tube site it's harder, because it would be thrown away on re-encode.. But for newsgroups, rapidshare, megaupload, p2p, torrents, it would be fairly effective. There's obviously a number of "super uploaders" out there who spread this stuff.. If you stop them or strike fear of real life repercussions on them, perhaps it makes a dent. Also it would allow a real court case against an uploader, which would be a nice thing to see.

Thoughts?

polle54

haha I fucking love it

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Socks

Back when the FBI was taking down major "scene" warez FTP sites, they would often continue to operate the FTP sites for a few days or even weeks in some cases after being busted, just to watch who was logging in, what was happening, how it worked, just doing research and collecting user information basically.

When these sites were being busted and homes were being raided, MANY of the people in the scene quit right then and there. It was just no longer worth it to log in to these FTP sites when there was a good chance some of them were moles. Also there were rumours some of the sites were STARTED by the FBI, just to collect data.

We could probably learn a lot from law enforcement in this situation.

As soon as there is a possibility of being caught, lots of people will stop doing it. The hardcore guys will get more careful and be harder to catch in the future as a side effect though.

Socks

hehehe in the letters, could also send a nice tutorial on "finding porn hidden on your pc"

:D

woj

How exactly are you going to mail those users?

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sandman!

problem will be getting isp's to turn over user info.

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you are an idiot.

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your are the devil himself , i like it!

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Socks

This thread has more value than every post you've ever made here.

brandonstills

Isn't that what the movie industry is doing now? You might have a little more success from the embarrassment factor but my guess is that individual companies wouldn't have the resources to effective combat like the movie industry does. Most likely it will be outsourced to a company that specializes in that for the adult industry and does nothing but that. I believe the movie industry outsources in a similar manner.

One weakness of the industry has always been that it is so fragmented it can't get anything done for the collective good.

Short term (next 5 years) I don't think piracy will go down any. However as more and more income is from intellectual property it will become inevitable for society to find a solution to the problem of piracy. Both gov't and big business will attempt to solve this problem more and more as more income shifts to electronic goods.

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testpie

Isn't that entrapment?

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marketsmart

yawn.. very few if any would give you a postel address...

papill0n

send them letters? torrent users leave a mailing address?

Iron Fist

Fail.

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

sysk

you can't just call an ISP and ask them confidential infos. about an IP

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Socks

No idea if it would work either, and I'm not about to go on a crusade, but maybe it would work. I bet getting the info from ISP's would be difficult, but how does the RIAA do it?

Also maybe finding them online because people are stupid would be easier. Most likely they'll use the same login and password at many sites, so you could have a spider that searches for their name at popular sites, and maybe more information can be retrieved that way. Unless people are really trying to cover their tracks, there are probably ways to find some of them.

I don't think you have to tell them how you found them! If this had sponsor support, I bet a lot of the information is given to sponsors already, they could cross reference their databases of customers. Perhaps some of the people buy accounts to pirate the stuff.

fatfoo

that is true.....

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testpie

Fair enough - no need to be a dick about it though.

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gideongallery

good solution

let see use the same collection techniques used by the mpaa that has resulted in them sending C& D letter to printers

and then use that information to destroy the lives of those people.

One false positive and you would be sued for millions, and since you would have to provide mailing address and copyright information they would KNOW who you were.

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gideongallery

and this here is where you get really dangerous

people have a fair use right to back up their downloaded content (since you are never giving away a completed copy, and the current make available ruling has been refuted) your talking about denying fair use

people who bought a right to view have a right to recover the content if it is lost so if you cost them economic harm and you know they purchased a right to view that content (by purchasing a membership) your sol.

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jollyperv

This would effectively scare the masses into even signing up to a paysite.

kektex

Hehe that reminds me of the scene in "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels"

wootpr0n

The meta data thing would work. You could encrypt the user ID into any movie/image.

But it is difficult to implement.

And such meta data could be easily stripped.

And maybe people who are super uploaders are stealing passwords too? So banning them won't help. Once they have raided all of your content, the damage is done.

Collecting information from somebody on a torrent site you built won't work either:
(a) Users have a "reasonable expectation" of privacy. You know that your users won't read the privacy policy. And just because you say that you will collect this data doesn't mean that you have the right to or that your privacy policy will be enforced by a Court.

(b) If you are running a torrent site and distributing your copyrighted content through it, then you cannot accuse people of infringing on your copyright. There would be no basis for that.

The MPAA/RIAA run their own fake torrent websites, but they do it only to spy on people. And they don't actually put any "real" files on their torrent sites, only fake ones. People get sued downloading, well allegedly downloading, copyrighted files from real torrent sites and other p2p networks.

(c) You could spy on people downloading the real files through real torrent trackers and getting their IP addresses. Then file a DMCA notice and sue people.

Enforcement will be very difficult. The MPAA/RIAA are losing millions running their scam litigation, and it will only get worse for them. Their legal fees are much higher than any settlements that they have collected. But they can justify it by saying that it is a deterrent to other people who are downloading files (a statement that they can't prove).

You could send the downloaders a letter; then you would get a settlement of $1000-$5000, minus the cost of attorneys' fees to write the letter.

And also minus the cost of attorneys' fees to write a civil complaint, file it in Federal District Court, and file a motion for an ex parte subpoena to identify the downloader.

And if the downloader doesn't want to settle, then you are looking at $100,000 in legal fees before you ever see the end. You won't be able to afford a good lawyer who charges $1000 per hour. So you will get one that charges $200 per hour.

And he won't be very good against even the person you are suing, who is either representing himself, or he got a lawyer who agrees to collect only when he wins the case.

And the Court may not even award attorneys' fees to you if you win.

And then that is if the Court grants you a subpoena to idenfity the downloader in the first place. Courts do not like the RIAA/MPAA scam litigation. The only reason it has gotten this far is because the defendants aren't getting representation, and the RIAA/MPAA have very good lawyers. These cases are going to summary judgement without the Court looking at the issues.

Taking that into consideration along with the fact that Courts do not like porn very much (see the recent obscenity cases), and you don't have a very good chance.

And if you are wrong (or even if you are right), the people you go after could sue you for defamation/emotional distress/other BS, because you told their family/wife/friends/whole world that they downloaded porn, and that you did so in order to intimidate them into a settlement.

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digifan

What a tactic lol... how do you prove it is just tactic?

d-null

I'd like to see numbers, but I think filehosting sites like megaupload or rapidshare with the help of unethical forums are more of a problem nowadays than torrents, and even shady tubesites are probably getting bigger than torrents too

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