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Damn but you're a likeable sort of fucker. :thumbsup

Ya bullshit. There have also been TONS of studies and professional opinions that it does not. I believe real violent tendencies are taught and inherited in children, and are a matter of consious choice in adults.

if you had experience around children you'd think otherwise. go ask some teachers.

Actually you just agreed, "violent tendencies are taught".

violence is part of survival.

cells overtake other cells.

its a cycle.

rinse and repeat.

:glugglug

CDSmith can be sooo fuckin dumb sometimes it hurts..........

Here's a great comic that supports this hypothesis.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php...02-10-15&res=l

Cheers,
Backov

In addition there are schools of thought that believe no one truly makes a "consious choice". It is believed that the sub-consious (the id) is the true controller of concious choice and no one is aware of their sub-concious, so one only thinks that he/she is making a consious choice. Very little in life is black or white. There are many shades of grey.

The fact is, you really have no clue what experience I have in anything, do you.

no.



Fact is, I grew up watching the Road Runner --- do you see me throwing people off of cliffs?
I used to be a huge wrestling fan as a kid too.... the Baron, the Crusher, Whahoo McDaniel, Larry the Ax, Superstar Billy Graham, etc etc..... do you see me drop-kicking people on the street?

Kids are actually able to distinguish between fantasy and reality much easier than adults in some cases. They slip into a role-playing mode much more comfortably than most adults, and they get quite distressed when confronted with real violence.

And kids that have solid role-models for parents, well, do I really need to explain this point? Taking away all forms of fantasy and fantasy violence is not going to solve the issue of violence. Anyone who thinks it will is just foolish.

Hope no one minds if I interject my two cents here...

I pulled my son out of public school because of the "violence" you talk about. My son, however, is not violent. I'm relatively sure he watches the same crap on TV and plays the same video games, but I have made a point of teaching him the difference between anything he sees on the TV screen and real life. I have taught him that defending yourself is just about the only acceptable form of "violence" allowed. A lot of parents don't take the time and don't even understand why they should have to. THERE lies your problem.

Maybe the sniper's mommy didn't teach him the difference. Or maybe he's pissed off at his ex-wife. Or maybe he got reamed while doing time in the local jail. Or maybe he really is a member of some terrorist group creating a diversion or just doing his thing. Who knows and who cares? He's killing innocent victims on the street, and that's infinitely more important. I don't believe he is a coward, however. Clever, cunning, organized, and careful, yes. But no coward would have balls enough to do what this guy is doing. A coward wouldn't stop to consider that the very nature of his actions (killing innocents) is far more frightening than if his targets were politicians or military personnel. The mere randomness of the shootings indicates to me this is a very carefully thought out plan by someone who knows exactly how to strike fear into the hearts of millions. The only thing more terrifying than an insane shooter is one who is not insane but wants everyone to think he is.

Just food for thought.

go talk to a teacher before you start talking out of your ass.

And you say <i>MY</i> argument is useless and meaningless???

Huh?

I've BEEN in a teaching role before. I've been around kids all my life, was a "big brother" volunteer for many years too, and I've worked on the pediatric ward of the St. B. Hospital, and worked with troubled kids in the psych ward for years.

What experience do you have?




Before saying shit like "talking out of my ass" maybe you best ask me where I draw my experience from. By saying such shit to me you're behaving like a shithead.

Sorry theking... I thought you were sentient.
Here, I'll quote your previous post where you said my argument
and point was useless and meaningless......
Understand now?

By raising an obscure unproven theory that "no one truly makes any consious decisions...." isn't useless and meaningless? Okay.

*shrug*

i eat meat....so does everyone else i know except some weird girls that are into veggies ;) pretty sure humans as a species were not always picking out our meat packaged under plastic wrap......at one time we had to hunt...that would make us what.....carnivores!...dumass and ya...what are those canine teeth you got in your mouth for? chewing meat perhaps?

p.s. dogs dont hunt anymore either...doest mean they dont have the instincts buried inside them somewhere.

*shrug*??? You're a damn PACIFIST! That's it, it's go time. Outside right now.


No poking in the eyes, no kicking of the nads. Ready?

No. That is no, it isn't useless and meaningless. The sub-concious is being formed from the moment of birth on. It is formed by the senses as well as other environmental influences. This includes viewing violence by children even in cartoons. This learned violence becomes part of the subconcious and is carried into adulthood and is often acted out in various, minor to major, forms by adults in what some think is a consious choice. The post was made in responce to you saying that adults make concious decisions. I should have clarified. By the way, what is "proven" theory? Those that you ascribe to?

Nope, it's just more copping out on the part of whomever adopts this gibberish. I firmly believe that people need to take responsibility for their actions, and take control of their own minds. For example, it literally drives me crazy when I hear someone say "that's the way I am, I can't help it".... absolute bull kakka. If people would only realize that making changes to the way they are is a decision away, a lot of lives would be much better. Like, don't tell me that you "gotta be a mouthy prick because that's they way you are" or "that's the way you was raised" because I'll call anyone one that kind of weakness.

All people have to do is stop and think before they act. Decipher out what is the right thing to do, and choose to do it. The problem is twofold though: People are weak and would rather blame their parents and their upbringing for their weaknesses, and also poeple like you who enable them to do so by spewing out a lot of gunk that supports their little comfort zones.

I simply couldn't disagree more.

scum sucking depravity debauched!
anal fuck-fest, thrill olympics
savage scourge supply and sanctify
so what? so what?

you said it!
sedatives supplied become laxatives
my eyes shit out lies
i only kill to know i'm alive
so what? so what?

so what, it's your problem to learn to live with
destroy us, or make us saints
we don't care, it's not our fault that we were born too late
a screaming headache on the brow of the state
killing time is appropriate
to make a mess and fuck all the rest, we say, we say
so what? so what?

now i know what is right
i'll kill them all if i like
i'm a time bomb inside
no one listens to reason,
it's too late and i'm ready to fight!
so what? now i'm ready to fight!

I only kill to know Im alive.

<i>killing time is appropriate
to make a mess and fuck all the rest, we say, we say
so what? so what?</i>

:glugglug :glugglug

It is a given that adults not only should take responsibility for their actions, but by law they are required to take resonsibility for their actions. I am not arguing that. You are attempting to categorize and simplify a human beings actions and/or reactions. You are trying to apply "black and white" when there are many shades of grey. An adult that makes "consious decisions" is influenced by everything that he/she has experienced from the moment of birth, even though he/she is not consious of that hidden influence. A very simple exampe of this is, what is your favorite color? Then ask yourself why this is your favorite color and not some other color? Please feel free to disagree, that is your "concious choice", er maybe?

Terrorists are cowards...

Would they take on Delta Force or the SAS?

no

They kill innocent people instead...

It really makes me angry that now they attack tourists, just for damaging the economy of Indonesia. These people were just dancing and having fun...

They would be stupid to take on a force that they cannot defeat, so does not being stupid make them cowards?

It's the fact that he/she/they are shooting unarmed innocent civilians, family members, travelers, kids, and from hundreds of yards away, from a *safe* anonymous position, after which they can flee to wherever hole they came out of is why I feel the term "coward" applies. "Coward" has many applications, not just the general image of someone running away from a bully. In wartime, soldiers that refused or were too scared to shoot back at the enemy were often times shot for cowardice.... But when others are threatening your country, homeland, and basic freedoms, shooting back becomes a must.

This sniper asshole is a different type of coward. No less pathetic, but still a coward none-the-less. Agree or disagree, think what you want, but I know that on this I am right. Cowardess can be a traight inside someone's heart and soul, and often plays out or comes to light through one's own actions.




And sleazy mentioned something about the terrorists that destroyed the WTC as being "anything but cowards" because they chose to die for their cause. I'm sorry, but that doesn't negate the fact that the very act itself, being a sneak attack on unsuspecting innocent civilians, was cowardly in the very WORST sense of the word.

What is useless and meaningless here is arguing with me about it.

i agree with you on this - strongly.

That's where you're wrong, CDSmith... It would take 5,544,610 years if they killed 1 per week, not 900 years. Furthermore, if the US population continues to increase at the current rate, it'll never happen.

To kill the entire US population in 900 years, you'd need to kill about (neglecting to account for anything else) a bit over 6000 people each week.

Population projection: http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock

(btw. I'm betting 50 cents (Australian) that he's a terrorist.)

fuck that blame it on the games now.....

next you say "natural born killers" is the cause we have serial killers.....

soon porn is banned because you think that will stop rapes......

Its 100% wrong to call him a coward.
Shooting 12 people in 15 days is very brave with police/fbi/military looking for the guy. A coward would be too scared to shoot anyone in the first place.

I've stated why I disagree with this. There are different types of coward, and this type is of the worst putrid variety there is.


Yeah, it takes a real brave fucker to crawl around in the shadows with a rifle, looking for a defenseless unsuspecting target to shoot at. Fucking think about it.

Cops and Military?

:winkwink:

You know what gets me is how W tries to impress upon the nation how we are going to right the wrongs done to us.

How the USA, in their white outfits and halos will go rid the world of EVIL DOERS.

I wonder how many innocent Afghani civilians died in the US bomb strikes. I bet a lot more than the 5,000 we lost in 9/11. BUT WE ARE THE GOOD SIDE, SO THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

It's all bullshit.

That coward has big balls. I could maybe pull off the firs couple shootings when nobody was expecting it, but after that, i would totally crack under the pressure. Every friggin law enforcement agency is looking for him, military surveillance planes, an entire country has their eyes peeled and he's still going.

I would have killed myself by now.

Exactly. Violence is a part of human nature. I do agree that tv and outside influences can fuel that fire though. Remember Cain and Abel didn't have a TV or a PS2. And it's funny how we like to pin labels on people when they're the opposition. Is America cowardly for killing off the Native Americans with smallpox blankets? They didn't think so, they just had an agenda. Same thing with every other act of violence that has happened since the beginning of time. Everyone has a reason (whether it makes sense or not).

Hehe. :)

by that standard every military operation in histroy that doesn't tell the enemy what they are going to strike is cowardly.

....yep, and a pretty good shot too.

"Small Pox Champion - The US of A - Give Natives some blankets. Warm like the grave."

I agree the Sniper is a coward in a sense ( he/she is taking the lives of Innocent civilians ) thats cowardly in my view. The Point made of perhaps he's doing this to take attention away so something else can be set up is a good point too. Violence in kids... well I have 4 kids 16 - 8 and yeah tv has alot to do with
what influences them but so does their peers. My 9 year old daughter was at a church function with 30 kids lat week and was Punched on the church bus on the way home. *figure that shit out* So violence is both learned and taught by Us, TV and their Peers. In the end I hope they catch this fuckhead sniper soon so No More Innocent People have to die needlessly.
Peace:) :)

He is a killer and so far he shot 11-12 yanks and is still a free man. If you think he is coward then kill 9 people in a "brave way" without getting caught.
Get it through your head, this guy is killing people while avoiding the police.
Smart - Not a coward.

It's scary when I agree with Canadians.

<quote>Originally posted by CDSmith
I believe the sniper is a ripe fucking coward </quote>

Who knows? The law don't even know that! Sure sounds "misguided" but hell knows what else - time will tell!

No. I am saying flat-out that I don't care about anyone's gray areas, blue areas or yellow areas. I am saying that some things in life, some traits we possess and decisions we make boil down to nothing more than choice. So, because my favorite color is blue, my parents ignored me, my siblings bullied me, that I'm now a slave to what I've become as a result? See, I think that's bullshit, and I think it's a major copout. What I'm saying is, if someone is a mouthy asshole with a bad attitude, it may not be their choice as to their upbringing and all the conflict that may have happened in their past, but it certainly IS their choice if they decide to continue being a mouthy asshole or not. People can change.

It's like the person whose parents smoked saying that they can't quit smoking. More bullshit. Quitting smoking may be a tough decision to stick to, but who ever said that decisions must always be easy?

Another example is people who abuse their spouse. If people are such a slave to their heritage and upbringing, then why don't we just shoot these people instead of trying to rehabilitate and teach them to change their ways? No, sorry, if you don't like something about your personality, then change it. If you're too negative and cynical, work on being more positive. If you're a chronic smartass that thinks he's always right, choose to work on your people skills. If you have a pissy temper and tend to let your rage get out of control, there are things you can choose such as anger management groups to work on that. It's about choice. Like, a lot of people here will have an urge to argue with me, probably just for the fuck of it. Again, it's about choice, to piss or not to piss.


As for the sniper.... I don't deny he/she/they have a lot of balls for doing this. I don't deny that, for eluding the cops thus far, they must be quite smart. I never denied any of that, but none of that matters, nor is it the point here. I've stated repeatedly why I think this sniping asshole is a coward, I've stated the specific reasons more than once here. You people seem to think that all cowards are dumb or something, however I'm sure there have been university professors and Rhodes scholars that have been abject pants-wetting cowards at some point in their lives. Some want to confuse this issue with that of military action? Whatever, this just shows you are confused. If someone here can't see the difference between this sniper shooting kids and tourists and bus drivers and regular people, and an army attacking the enemy to defend it's borders, then there is something definitely wrong with your thinking.