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Old 06-17-2008, 11:55 AM   #1
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:2cents Obama doesn't stand a chance

He is too young and too inexperienced, and his race will work against him.

Personally, I find him very articulate and intelligent. I think he would be a decent guy to hang with, but I would not vote for him. His policies stink. He is Jimmy Carter all over again.

Growing our social programs with government controlled healthcare and a nanny state from cradle to grave will only accelerate the decline of our country.

His race does not matter to me for my own vote. I would vote for an African American, if I liked his policies.

However, I think Obama's race will bother many American voters, and it will work against him. The hillbillies who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primary are Exhibit A. And women may feel more secure with a military man, so they are Exhibit B.

McCain will get the elderly vote, the military vote, and the conservative vote. The red states will go McCain. All that will be left for Obama is the far left and the urban vote.

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Old 06-17-2008, 11:56 AM   #2
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Oh, I forgot to mention the foreign webmasters. They will go for Obama.

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You're racist, ignorant and a neo-con. There's no reason anyone would think you'd vote for a black democrat.
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You're racist, ignorant and a neo-con. There's no reason anyone would think you'd vote for a black democrat.
Yes, you're right, selling me a Democrat would take some doing.

But, his race does not bother me. For example, I would vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice in a heartbeat.
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Man with that thinking then Thomas Jefferson would been fucked.He was only 33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. lol
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Democrats are too stupid to go with Clinton.... They'd rather roll the dice and seven out with Oprah's boy.

Republicans can blast Clinton for 20 dollar oil... Bush gets a free pass. Somehow these problems will get shifted to one of the Clinton's again.
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He is too young and too inexperienced, and his race will work against him.

Personally, I find him very articulate and intelligent. I think he would be a decent guy to hang with, but I would not vote for him. His policies stink. He is Jimmy Carter all over again.

Growing our social programs with government controlled healthcare and a nanny state from cradle to grave will only accelerate the decline of our country.

His race does not matter to me for my own vote. I would vote for an African American, if I liked his policies.

However, I think Obama's race will bother many American voters, and it will work against him. The hillbillies who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primary are Exhibit A. And women may feel more secure with a military man, so they are Exhibit B.

McCain will get the elderly vote, the military vote, and the conservative vote. The red states will go McCain. All that will be left for Obama is the far left and the urban vote.

You do know that Jimmy Carter shrunk the social programs and consolidated government, right? Your post makes no sense. If you are calling Obama a big government guy, that would be the opposite of Carter.
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He is too young and too inexperienced, and his race will work against him.
They said the same thing about Kennedy.




On another note, I have notice people who have Playboy in their sigs seems that their politics lean right.
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He is too young and too inexperienced, and his race will work against him.

Personally, I find him very articulate and intelligent. I think he would be a decent guy to hang with, but I would not vote for him. His policies stink. He is Jimmy Carter all over again.

Growing our social programs with government controlled healthcare and a nanny state from cradle to grave will only accelerate the decline of our country.

His race does not matter to me for my own vote. I would vote for an African American, if I liked his policies.

However, I think Obama's race will bother many American voters, and it will work against him. The hillbillies who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primary are Exhibit A. And women may feel more secure with a military man, so they are Exhibit B.

McCain will get the elderly vote, the military vote, and the conservative vote. The red states will go McCain. All that will be left for Obama is the far left and the urban vote.

isn't the urban vote a major majority of the votes?
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Yes, you're right, selling me a Democrat would take some doing.

But, his race does not bother me. For example, I would vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice in a heartbeat.
You do know that Colin Powell is basically a Democrat, right? You are making no sense man.
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You do know that Colin Powell is basically a Democrat, right? You are making no sense man.
Of course he's making no sense, we're talking about Daddy Halbucks,
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On another note, I have notice people who have Playboy in their sigs seems that their politics lean right.

Next thing you will be saying is that is that Playboy wants to outlaw adult entertainment and online porn.

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isn't the urban vote a major majority of the votes?
If you live on the East Coast or the West Coast, you sure seem to think that way!
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Dude you really want mccain? hes bush all over again, hes an old fuck who plays the war hero card over and over. obama is a much better guy
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Then again maybe he does stand a chance...

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CNN) -- Sen. John McCain on Tuesday will propose lifting the ban on offshore drilling as part of his plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil and help combat rising gas prices.

"The stakes are high for our citizens and for our economy, and with gasoline running at more than four bucks a gallon, many do not have the luxury of waiting on the far-off plans of futurists and politicians," McCain will say Tuesday in Houston, Texas, according to excerpts of his speech released by his campaign.

"We have proven oil reserves of at least 21 billion barrels in the United States. But a broad federal moratorium stands in the way of energy exploration and production. And I believe it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."

McCain's plan would let individual states decide whether or not to explore drilling possibilities.

The proposal could put McCain at odds with environmentalists who say it's incongruous with his plans to combat global warning. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a McCain ally, is also opposed to offshore drilling.

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist had expressed opposition exploring the coastal waters, but he said this week he supports McCain's plan to lift the moratorium and would not rule out letting his state choose to drill offshore.

"It's the last thing in the world I'd like to do, but I also understand what people are paying at the pump, and I understand the drag it is on our economy," Crist told the St. Petersburg Times. "Something has to be done in a responsible, pragmatic way."

The current law, which has been in effect since 1981, covers most of the country's coastal waters.

Many officials from coastal states oppose offshore drilling because of the risk of oil spills that can spoil beaches. Environmentalists want offshore drilling to stop, to protect the oceans from further pollution.

"The next president must be willing to break with the energy policies not just of the current administration, but the administrations that preceded it, and lead a great national campaign to achieve energy security for America," McCain will say Tuesday.

McCain on Monday said incentives could possibly be provided for states that choose to permit exploration off their coasts, adding that "exploration is a step toward the longer-term goal."

Tuesday's discussion marks the first in a series of talks about America's energy security that McCain will hold during the next two weeks as he lays out his plan to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil.

McCain does oppose drilling in some parts of the wilderness and says those areas must be left undisturbed.

"When America set aside the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, we called it a 'refuge' for a reason," he will say.

McCain on Tuesday will also criticize the energy policy of rival Barack Obama.

"He says that high oil prices are not the problem, but only that they rose too quickly. He's doesn't support new domestic production. He doesn't support new nuclear plants. He doesn't support more traditional use of coal, either," McCain will say.

"So what does Sen. Obama support in energy policy? Well, for starters he supported the energy bill of 2005 -- a grab bag of corporate favors that I opposed. And now he supports new taxes on energy producers. He wants a windfall profits tax on oil, to go along with the new taxes he also plans for coal and natural gas. If the plan sounds familiar, it's because that was President Jimmy Carter's big idea too -- and a lot of good it did us," he will say.

McCain will argue that a windfall profits tax will only increase the country's dependence on foreign oil and be an obstacle to domestic exploration.

"I'm all for recycling -- but it's better applied to paper and plastic than to the failed policies of the 1970s," he will say.

Obama on Tuesday blasted McCain for changing his stance on offshore drilling.

"John McCain's support of the moratorium on offshore drilling during his first presidential campaign was certainly laudable, but his decision to completely change his position and tell a group of Houston oil executives exactly what they wanted to hear today was the same Washington politics that has prevented us from achieving energy independence for decades," he said in a statement.

"It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil," he said.

Obama says a windfall profits tax would ease the burden of energy costs on working families. He also wants to invest in affordable, renewable energy sources.
Are people who may be on the fence right now really going to buy into the notion that lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling is going to lower gas prices for them, and cast their vote for McCain because of it?
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You do know that Jimmy Carter shrunk the social programs and consolidated government, right? Your post makes no sense. If you are calling Obama a big government guy, that would be the opposite of Carter.
Economy: stagflation

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

The 1970s are described as a period of stagflation, meaning economic stagnation coupled with price inflation, as well as higher interest rates. Price inflation (a rise in the general level of prices) creates uncertainty in budgeting and planning and makes labor strikes for pay raises more likely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
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For the record, I am no big McCain fan, but I am hopeful.

I am more inclined to Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, or Ron Paul.
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Are people who may be on the fence right now really going to buy into the notion that lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling is going to lower gas prices for them, and cast their vote for McCain because of it?
McCain has flip flopped his position so many times through out the years.

He is putting it out there to see how the numbers look.

Its all marketing...for people who get limited political news and opinions.
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You do know that Colin Powell is basically a Democrat, right? You are making no sense man.
Thanks for effectively refuting BradM's claim that I "wouldn't vote for a black Democrat."

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For the record, I am no big McCain fan, but I am hopeful.

I am more inclined to Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, or Ron Paul.
I did like huckabee a great deal, shame he didnt make it, seems like an easy person to get along with, and very likable.
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You know what they usually say about the "Ivy League" types... fucking clueless when it comes to the rest of the world. They live in their small bubble, sheltered and paranoid of anyone and anything different than them.

Hey Daddy Shit, wake up and realize the world is changing... you and the rest of your con friends can't do shit about it
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I did like huckabee a great deal, shame he didnt make it, seems like an easy person to get along with, and very likable.
Same here. Friends of mine met him and said he was a great guy.
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You know what they usually say about the "Ivy League" types... fucking clueless when it comes to the rest of the world. They live in their small bubble, sheltered and paranoid of anyone and anything different than them.

Hey Daddy Shit, wake up and realize the world is changing... you and the rest of your con friends can't do shit about it
If the election were limitied to the Ivy League, Obama would be the next President.
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That is so funny because Mccain was one born into a privileged life not Obama. He was working class all the way.
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I like him! GO OBAMA!!!!
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Economy: stagflation

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

The 1970s are described as a period of stagflation, meaning economic stagnation coupled with price inflation, as well as higher interest rates. Price inflation (a rise in the general level of prices) creates uncertainty in budgeting and planning and makes labor strikes for pay raises more likely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
That has nothing to do with your claim that Obama would increase government and social programs like Carter. Obama and Carter are polar opposites in their politics. Comparing the two shows a lack of understanding of what Carter did and tried to do as President (which is make government smaller and stop bad spending.
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For the record, I am no big McCain fan, but I am hopeful.

I am more inclined to Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, or Ron Paul.
How could you put a guy who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old over anyone?
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I think Mccain has a lock on the colostomy bag and alzheimers vote as well. The jury is still out on the jesus vote though.
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Not that I'm for one or the other, but put up a picture of McCain next to Obama. McCain looks like he's gonna die at any moment.

McCain also mentioned the other day that he's never used a personal computer. Nice.
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I did like huckabee a great deal, shame he didnt make it, seems like an easy person to get along with, and very likable.
Huckabee is a religious nutjob.

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Are we supposed to take serious the thread of someone who has, on repeated occasions, referred to Bush as a "hero who has free 30 million people"?

Are all your friends as brain washed as you?
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Well there are two ways to look at it. One guy is "too young" and the other is "too old". One guy is hooked into the internet age, the other has never used a personal computer. I don't know if McCain will get the military vote. A lof of those in uniform want to get out of the war. They're the ones on the front lines risking death and not knowing if the war is going to last another year or decades.

As for policies beyond the war and net neutrality, I think McCain is a bit more sound (namely on domestic economy policy) but those are two big issues. McCain's attacks on Obama's international policies are a red herring. We've used diplomacy with hostile nations all the time such as North Korea. And coming off the heels of Bush isn't going to play in his favor. McCain doesn't have anywhere near the charisma as Obama who is like a 'rockstar' in politics. In an age when celebrities are worshipped like Gods, that could be enough put Obama on top.

But I can't make any predictions. I think it will be close.

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If you live on the East Coast or the West Coast, you sure seem to think that way!
it's just the highest concentration of people.. it would make sense that, in a democracy, stuff like that exists.
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Vote for Ron Paul as a write in...
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Are all your friends as brain washed as you?
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You do know that Jimmy Carter shrunk the social programs and consolidated government, right? Your post makes no sense. If you are calling Obama a big government guy, that would be the opposite of Carter.
That would be called Dubya
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:53 PM   #39
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I love how the republican talking points of the past day or 2 have popped up in his post.

Comparing Obama to Carter.
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Growing our social programs with government controlled healthcare and a nanny state from cradle to grave will only accelerate the decline of our country.
What's killing your country is your rich leaders selling it off to the highest bidder, moronic trade agreements and not spending money responsibly.

The US is pretty much the only western country without those things you think will assist in the decline of your country.. All those other countries are doing pretty damn well with GDPs typically at the top end of any rankings.
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That is so funny because Mccain was one born into a privileged life not Obama. He was working class all the way.
Shhhh Thats another one of their talking points. Obama is an "elitest". Damn fucking straight I want a president who is better than everyone else. The funniest part of that talking point was it was coming from the Clintons AND McCain.

Let's see, the past x number of years the Clintons made over 100 mill. McCain's wife is worth several hundred million. Obama and his wife semi recently finished paying off their college loans.

Yah, the Obamas are sure elitest pricks working up from nothing, traveled and lived all over the world, to be the first black editor of the Harvard Review, and now the first black or even mixed race presidential candidate in history. What a dick!
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Old 06-17-2008, 06:56 PM   #42
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lol obama haters are funny
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Economy: stagflation

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

The 1970s are described as a period of stagflation, meaning economic stagnation coupled with price inflation, as well as higher interest rates. Price inflation (a rise in the general level of prices) creates uncertainty in budgeting and planning and makes labor strikes for pay raises more likely.

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90% of the things you just mentioned can be said of the current administration and McCain is merely an extension of their sentiments
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Economy: stagflation

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

The 1970s are described as a period of stagflation, meaning economic stagnation coupled with price inflation, as well as higher interest rates. Price inflation (a rise in the general level of prices) creates uncertainty in budgeting and planning and makes labor strikes for pay raises more likely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
Wait a second there neoman. Wasn't it you who blamed Clinton for all the ailments of the first Bush term? You can't have it both ways.

You probably don't remember , but you were too young or stupid or both, but Carter wanted us off of foreign oil and warned repeatedly. He wanted solar panels on every home. Those ideas sucked didn't they?

Then cam Reagan and threw out all the ideas that would have made us a much stronger country.
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He is too young and too inexperienced, and his race will work against him.
if he isn't elected the blacks will burn down america
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if he isn't elected the blacks will burn down america
You come across as being very ignorant.
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How can any republican blast Obama and say he is for big government and they are not? Did not Bush just get done created an entire new branch of government called the Dept. of Homeland Security? You can't create government entities and put more government in people's lives than say you are for less government....


Well...I guess you can but you look like an idiot doing so.

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your right..

far left internet tin foil hat keyboard shit spewers dont vote

urban black power unite dont vote

college lets be cool and be different and support obama pot head idiots dont vote

foreign webmaster blame bush assholes dont vote either


old white ppl vote

mccain's got it in the bag
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You know what they usually say about the "Ivy League" types... fucking clueless when it comes to the rest of the world. They live in their small bubble, sheltered and paranoid of anyone and anything different than them.

Hey Daddy Shit, wake up and realize the world is changing... you and the rest of your con friends can't do shit about it
Man, you are really stupid.
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Given Obama's speaking ability, I am expecting some of the best debate performances of all time. McCain will not be able to match up well against him on live TV.

McCain has already called for town hall style debates to compensate for his public speaking shortcomings. They are more laid back and thus he doesn't have to be as professional. He can hang out on stage as "one of the guys" and screw up here and there and cover it up by joking around a bit. If he is put in traditional debates against Obama, he's going to get mopped up.
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