okay. i had to open up IE to get that trial pop up to work. mozilla disables most pops btw.

so this is the wording for the trial:

"3 day trial and loyalty discount for $5.00"

whereas a better phrase would be:

"3 day limited trial and loyalty discount for $5.00"

this is by no means fraud or false advertising. false advertising would be this phrase:

"3 day unlimited trial and loyalty discount for $5.00"

Thats fine, at least let the customer know that they are getting a 3 day trial to a watered down version of the site. let them make the decision to go with it if they want and don't con them into signing up as if there getting 3 days access to the site only to find that not what they get. ..as far as Im concerned that is illegal and unethical. I would have no problem at all with this billing method IF surfers were informed they were really only getting access to a preview page for their fee not "3 DAY TRIAL
TO THE WORLDS FIRST ORIGINAL COLLEGE WEBSITE FOR ONLY
$5 DOLLARS" It amazes me that websitebilling.com goes along with this....deceptive business practice

Ooops - sorry about that rnicey. Guess I'm trying to multi-task a little too much here. Missed the sig and the plug.

:stoned

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That would make sense for low volume sites...

gallerypost

hey, I don't have icq...go ahead and email us..you can find the address in the site...looking forward to hooking up and doing business with you!

This is no new concept........ Topbucks/truecash did this years ago.......


collegefuckfest needs actual REAL and better content, they wont retain anyways, so why all the bitching

'3 day trial period for 5 bucks'

note the trial. there has to be something in the terms for the trial that says its a limited trial and not full blown access. anyways i think its kinda risky considering how easy it is to chargeback. they must have a large % of chargebacks because most surfers are trained that a 3 day trial is full access.

well.. i didn't find any support e-mail on the website.. what's your e-mail ?

info AT 420palace

thanks, Alex

I would call that "hitting the nail on the head"! I can't even see a difference in approach. I just wonder if what didn't work then is going to fly this time around- with thinner content.

I doubt the chargebacks will come from the $5 "trials", but from those that do upgrade to the full site and find that it ain't all that after all...

Does it really matter what we think is legal wording? The only thing that matters to me is being able to proccess cards, and obviously the way things are going now the industry is going the wrong way. No matter how much we argue the legal validity of the statement , if a surfer feels cheated he is able to pick up his phone and charge back. Is that fair that if its adult places charge back easier? No. Does it happen everyday? Yes. With my former merchant bank we could dispute a chargeback and provide evidence, etc. but you know what that gets you? The chargeback fee back, our merchant account still reflected the chargeback even if we dispusted it? Is that dumb? IMO Yes. Is that the way that some merchant banks work? Absolutely. I agree with everyone that says that this is totally legal and not scamming, but our opinion doesnt help the adult industry reputation of scamming folks. IMO we have to be overly clear about what the surfer is getting , I agree its stupid that 'mainstream' industries can get away with more when it comes to 'terms', but it is a fact. If you are still in denial try and step out of your webmaster role for a day and take your card out and try it out.

Rory
:helpme

Hey fiveyes do me a favore before you bash my program look twice at the content your selling.

hey man. i was just responding to the fella claiming that CFF was committing some kind of fraud.

i agree we need to be clear but if you think that full disclosure is going to stop chargebacks from freeloaders, you're mistaken. the problem is not with online porn or with the IPSPs. the problem is with visa:

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/indx57.htm

Beg your pardon!

First of all; I don't have a program- I offer what I've got to the surfer straight up from my own traffic. I've never tried to convince others to try to cash in on my concept. So any comparison between yourself and what I offer isn't going to wash.

Second; I offer a true, unadulterated window for the viewer to experience the action, as it actually happens, in the French Quarter. I've done so since 1995 and no one else can claim that. You may be jealous of that claim, but it certainly isn't "crap", it's a fact you have to live with.

Third; I really feel you have no idea what you're about if you consider my offerings (to the surfer, not fellow webmasters, mind you!) as lacking in anyway. Trust me on this- if it wasn't worthwhile, I wouldn't have been doing it as long as I have. It really isn't a part-time hobby for me. It's not only a damn good living, it's one that I'll keep refining.

Seen a lot of speculation and accusation from people who don't know - and a statement from their CC processor saying it works. I think that settles that. This isn't a totally new concept, and I have heard of other methods that will be used to defeat site sucking leech surfers.

I didnt mean to sound offensive to you or cff, sorry if it came off that way. I was just trying to expand on the point that you brought up. I personally think cff is a great idea and a nice breath of fresh air from the mold, I was just trying to share my opinion of what may help to give this industry a boost in perception of validity of cc charges on adult sites.

Rory
:helpme

MOST good affiliates worth having that produce more than $20K a month in revenue care.

The fact it works is not in question, lots of scams work. Its still false advertizing.

A bit of edit, from "crap" to "content", isn't a reply to my posting in the meantime...

I found myself comming down to your level bashing someone elses hard work with pure speculation not knowing anything about it. Kind of like what you did earlier.

No speculation to it- I'm not in the habit of guessing at things. I signed up for $5, went on to the full deal and canceled (no charge back, just a straight cancellation).

All I saw was a lot of sizzle but no steak.

Attacking me for pointing it out doesn't change the fact- you appear to be into it for the short term with a trick that's been tried before. Bottom line, your program may work for now but you do no favors to those that fall into your scheme, one has already been proven to fail in the long run.

Besides, if you don't realize how foolish you appear when you attempt to smear your detractors instead of addressing the issues they raise- you really ought to consider a career more suitable to your talents, something along the lines of supersizing my burger order.

>>'3 day trial period for 5 bucks'

>>note the trial. there has to be something in the terms for the >>trial that says its a limited trial and not full blown access. >>anyways i think its kinda risky considering how easy it is to >>chargeback. they must have a large % of chargebacks >>because most surfers are trained that a 3 day trial is full >>access.

Dude, who is going to bother going to the bank to charge back $5? Once they have signed up for a $5 membership they get inside and they can't rip everything they wanted, so they then want access to all the GOOD stuff, and since they have imput all there billing details already then they must just think, "why not then i'm here and fuck i'm horny and I wanna see that stuff".

If they don't signup for a full membership then they cancel there $5 and leave, no one is going to goto the bank to chargeback $5, and then get the forms sent to them in the post and fill them out and then return them to the bank. Just for $5.

I found it a pain in the ass just to chargeback $50 but thats me.

Sammy

Our charge back ratio is less than 0.10%

not using trials has always worked for me.

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What i'm saying is that trial are to see if you like the site and if so upgrade it to a full membership, not for someone who wanna rip the site without paying atlist for 1 month the membership fee.
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idiots are the ROOT of the problem with our industry.

i see people mentioning things like "downloading 90% of the content"...... what %%% of members do you REALLY think are technologically advanced enough to understand HOW to download members area content?

and yeah... for 5 bucks a guy might expect to reasonably bust a nut.... after all video rentals are only about 3 or 4 bucks and most paysites offering trials push into upsells but still offer a lot of content.

Jesus 4 Free offers a free trial, but if you want access to the members area you have to pay.

By the time they decide to buy or cancel the free, we have so much personal info on em we've already sold thier email address to over 200 programs..

Jesus is great.

well about 90%, ifd they are smart enough to signup,

who signs up and doesnt know how to download content? sorta makes no sense

99% of the people i know who arent *in* this business barely know how to get their modem to connect.

You give people too much credit.

No, you just know stupid people. Might want to shop around a bit.

so you think aol and msn got big because really smart people chose their services?

I think it is simple.

They pay for a trial, they get a trial of the site.
We added a screen shot of our members area to our tour
Each link described what they would see if they were a member,
our signups doubled...

No. But I do think more than "1%" of the people you know are smart enough to download porn. If not, you need smarter friends.

It's not hard to download porn from a site you just bought access to. Come on. These people aren't complete idiots.

Every idiot I know has a copy of Limewire. They can hardly spell their own name, but they know where to download free goat sex videos and MP3's.

i dont have a clue what limewire is and i'd be hard pressed to find many people who understand net marketing better than me.

what you're failing to realize sly, is that these kinds of gadgets (morpeus, i assume limewire.. etc..etc...) they're popular among a very particular and small niche of age and ethnic groups (much like ipods, walkmans, xbox's, playstations, etc.. etc.)... of which i'd wager you belong... and you're making a common mistakes.. you think that everybody thinks like you.

last time i checked, the average surfer buying membership is NOT a computer savy individual.. otherwise they would just hop on one of your ripoff programs and download all the virii and videos they can handle.

i'm not going to argue about this all night.. but i'm TELLING you.. that most membership buying surfers are NOT savy surfers.

Haha, I'm not going to argue about it either. There's nothing to argue about. I'm only hounding you about a stupid technicality... your percentages. I just used those "gadgets" as an example, I don't even use the damn things.

What were we talking about anyway? My first post was created as a joke. Laugh. :winkwink:

smart surfers are with sites like adultbouncer with 100000 gigs of porn

stupid surfers are with cookie cutter sites and no content, strictly an impulse purchase

smart surfers dont join sites... they run them.

So many fucking know-it-all's around here...