How many more sources do you need Rob my man?

What about when we killed 100,000+ innocent civilians invading Iraq. Is that fair that they had to die for whatever reason Bush is giving us this week for invading that country?

whats your point. mistaken identity. happens every day. you know how many innocent people are incarcerated and are arrested every day who are not guillty.

there are flaws in any system. nothing is perfect.

this is war, things are different. you can kill someone in a war, you cannot kill someone in the streets as a citizen.

just the way it is.

they are put in gitmo for being associated with terrorism or a threat to the security of our nation. this is a war issue, not a citizen issue.

No alot of them are in there because the us government was paying a finders fee and people took advantage of it and turned all kinds of people that did nothing. They have solved nothing, I will ask you again bin laden killed 3000 americans and he still hasnt been caught and you give the president a free pass on that. That's funny.

yes collateral damage

i dont understand what you are asking. do you think obama is going to find him?

You know, since security of our nation is such an issue for you, why not join the Military, show how much you really support the nation by going out, and fighting terrorism on the front lines. Step up, and protect the country, it needs you more than ever!

The prisoners were found innocent, no associations... not even tracked anymore. That's a little more than a bit of mistaken identity. All that could have been cleared up if they just had a trial. Which is what the fuss is all about.

its funny u all care more about the freedoms of suspected terrorists than the inevitablity of more americans being killed

i ask you this.. how would you feeel if a terrorist appealed his detention and was released, regrouped and killed hundreds of americans

is this not a possibility?

if this happened what would you say...

We arent talking about obama, we are talking about bush who said wanted dead or alive.

a trial, so they must be found guilty without a reasonable doubt.. when proving an intent to commit a terrorist act is a hard thing to prove.

so you want to clog up our legal system with hard lengthy unwinnable cases and let suspected terrorists go free and regroup to plan attacks on our country.....

this might not be the case for EVERY detainee, but i would be willing to bet its a strong majority...

its like going to the airport.. and having to take off your shoes. if it will help prevent a terrorist act, i am willing to go along with it.

if the government needs to do things to protect this nation that i might not agree with.. fuck it, they are doing it for the best interest of this country and its security..

if someone turned you in for money and said you are a terrorist and you are not, too bad for you for chosing bad friends..

guilt by association. if you get caught in the cycle, deal with it.i would rather see every fantatic islamic nutjob on the planet locked up in gitmo and prove their innocence before losing one american life in a terrorist attack.

thats unfair to blame bush for not catching bin laden

If they would have done it from the start, they would have been able to have a military trial. You should read up and learn what's really going on, again.

Our Gov is telling YOU that this is the wrong way to protect the nation. You are either for what they think is good for our protection or not. This is what you are saying to me, and the Gov is telling you that it's wrong.

And this isn't guilt by association. It's your name being pulled from a random hat. These people, they were like you and me, working guys, families, and for reasons unknown them, they got taken away. Now, don't you think the global impact of that is a larger threat to our nation? Those 100's of innocent people, create 1000's or more of legitimate U.S. haters.

What is going on is causing more harm to our country than good.

He is the one that pulled troops away from finding Bin Laden to go into Iraq. How is that unfair to blame him?

That is ok when they kill 1,000,000+ of us like we did to them I will think it is time to worry about fictional terrorist.

Wow. That is all I can say.

If you continue to assume that by killing people you can stop them from trying to kill you then you will eventually end up in a situation where the violence never ends.

Let me ask you thins. I asked it earlier the thread but that guy never responded.
Say you work for a large international company and they have a manufacturing plant in Malaysia. You get sent over there for a few weeks to do some work. One night a couple of the guys you work with invite you to go to dinner with them and some of their friends. You go and have a good time. On the way out of the restaurant you and the entire group are arrested. It appears that one of your co-workers friends is a suspected terrorist. You have never met the guy until that night and know nothing about him. But you were with him so you are considered a suspect and you are held.

Should they be allowed to hold you indefinitely and torture you at will even though they have zero proof or evidence that you are involved with this guy in any way?

Did you know their families were friends ... and still might be?

Seriously, do you take the products in your sig? Because you're leading many to believe they might cause brain damage

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I hope one day you get mistakened for another idiot, flown to a ship, waterboarded, tortured then drop off in the middle of nowhere ...

THis administration has not cast a shadow over your country, it just plainly stained it behond repair.

That a supreme court justice writing in his dissenting opinion would actually state that he believes the courts majority opinion will cause people to die is greatly disturbing.

Why do we give these people lifetime appointments? Can divisive jerkoff's like Scalia be "fired" and kicked off for being mentally unstable?

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.. and i'll have some of those freedom fries with that :)

neo-cons are all closet homosexuals

I saw a news piece on Scalia. He had perfect attendance, and perfect straight A's in every single grade of school he ever took.

You HAVE to know he is NOT representative of 99.9% of America with stats like that..

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actually some cia guys were charged for doing exactly that , kidnapping people off the street to send to gitmo
seems like you are trying all the hypotheticals.

Show me any proof any of the detainees at gitmo committed a crime ?
is it fair 10 times that amount have died in iraq because of what they would call " christian terorrists" made a choice to invade their country and kill its citizens ?

p.s. i wouldnt call a dozen muslims with bombs an "invasion"


none of them are in gitmo :2 cents:
you would rather commit torture on innocent people now ?


so you say yet you have given us not a shred of evidence to believe you

great rational. so who decides who is a terrorist , you keep forgetting to answer that question.


lay down the pipe son.:2 cents::1orglaugh

Stay tuned ... Rob will be back in a couple of hours ... from his day job at

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It is a hobby for him, since he is so fucking rich .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Idiotville.

So this ruling pertains to just US citizens, or does this ruling pertain to everyone in the world that we may have an interaction with?

Do prisoners of war fall into this ruling as well?

i have a great idea...

why dont you all just move out of this country...

no point in arguing with terrorist sympathizers and people who hate this country.

some of you should be charged with treason..

please move to a socialist country and save all the terrorists you want =)

i am proud to defend my country that allows me the freedoms i have.

You aren't the brightest person are you. Nobody is sympathizing with terrorists... These people aren't terrorists, they are no threat, never were, and this does not help us - it creates more terror. Something, your closed mind clearly can't see.

You think more like a terrorist, kill, kill, kill.. who cares who.. That's terror you ass hat.

And btw, I can say I'm proud to have defended my country's freedoms. Unless you have been in the military, which from above it sounds like you haven't, you can't say that.

Having an argument where every person, thinks you are wrong, is not defending anything but yourself.

so let me get this straight.. you believe we are holding thousands of absolutely innocent law abiding citizens who have no links to terrorism at all and are just average every day citizens.

thats absolutely ridiculous.

there may be some cases where this is the case, but that is just a byproduct of the process.

the reason they are being held is because it takes time to thoroughly investigate links and gather information for 1 reason only.. to protect this country from future terroristic acts.

if you would rather let them go free prematurely and hope they had nothing to do with anything, you are putting our nation at risk when it could be prevented.

when it comes to a matter of national security i do not give a shit about holding "suspects" indefinitely until they are proven to be innocent

ok guys, nice debating

im out for the weekend

take care.

no hard feelings or anything personal

glad we can all agree to disagree :)

Yeah, the majority of the people are law abiding citizens, doing nothing wrong. If it's 1000's or 100's, it's like 60% or more are innocent, straight up kidnapped people.

Nothing wrong with holding them, but give them a military trial so due process can be upheld. Doing this would have stopped the snatching of innocent people early on.

You do understand that, we are doing exactly what we are fighting against?

National security.. again, 30 times now? This change is a good thing, it made us safer. Less people will continue to hate us, we should not stoop the terrorist level and act like terrorist ourselves. We should stand tall, lead by example.. We want the world to think we are strong and noble.. something we have lost since bush took us to war.

How exactly have you defended this country fantasy bitch? I know you never wore a uniform and arguing on a messege board does not make you a patriot. Man your an idiot.

You mean your off to drive your pizza hut delivery truck?

How did you guess ????

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This ruling pertains to those that are detained by the US Government be they citizens or not...they are entiled to adjucation by the courts. POW's are a different class of detainee and there are laws in place to deal with POW's.

Chances are that it'll be 3 liberals retiring next. They just need to replace them with NEW Liberals to keep some sort of balance. Replace 2 of them with Conservatives and it'll be "interesting" to see the USA in 15 years. That's one of, if not THE the most important reasons to not vote McCain this time around.

Episode 100 - I'm a Little Bit Country
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