How many sales a day each do you think the top 10 affiliate programs are doing now man ?

It would be really nice to know.
I couldnt take a fair guess.

The only thing I think would be fair to say with an educated guess is this.
Most are doing less than they were even 6 months ago as whole and definalty less when compared to a year ago. Thats what I would bet.

if you look it up somewhere here xxxjay showed how things were off and he gave numbers if I remember.

Give me a ball park bro

i can also confirm that the numbers are down. same traffic levels, ratios are down though.

Everyone fucking thinks if they show a little more than the other guy, they will get more traffic and signups. We're saturating our own shit.

WE RUN THIS BITCH!

We, as a whole, decide what the fuck we give away for free and how it's displayed.

If we all pulled some tgp2 type of shit, the surfers would be pissed. If it stuck around and everyone did it, they would buy just as much if not more as they do now. Unless some cock ass has to show a little more...

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. It was an over-generalization to call attention to a point. Although, I would hardly call videobox a tube site.

The questions you pose are rhetorical in nature, as I'm sure you intended, but I think they are extremely valuable in that they call attention to the general state of mind of the industry. Obviously it would be better if those things were true, but does anyone really have any control over it?

Part of the reason I think people are struggling in the industry is because their strategies, business models and processes were copied, with little thought as to why, from previous people when the business climate was dramatically different. Things have changed since then and consequentially so must the industry.

Any successful formation of strategy must first start with an assessment of how things currently are (the terrain) followed by an inventory of what you have available to work with (talent, resources, energy, passion, etc). ONLY when these 2 have been properly identified are you free to develop a plan.

It would seem the industry as a whole is cognizant of these changing conditions, and even quite vocal, but for some reason chooses to ignore them. It reminds me of the bible when it talks about the foolish man that built his house upon the sand. Well, it's raining now and the winds are blowing.

Take a look at the current situation around you and ask what can I do, given the circumstances, to profit here? Think outside the box. Put yourself in the customer's shoes and come up with something they want. Don't copy what everyone else is doing, innovate!

Try to see the positive side. Labor is cheaper. Memberships are more affordable to foreign customers.

What paysites do you run?

LOL! Yes, I confide in the fact that my expenses are hedged.

or do you do affiliate stuff? Im curious.:)

There is something on its way... :thumbsup

Curious, why do you ask?

You've had lots of opinions,wanted to know what they are based on, your working experience getting sales or are they ideas,opinions. No wrong answer just was curious where you were seeing it from.

by the way looked at your pics, you are an amazing photographer. I wish I was half as good.

Adult used to be the cutting edge of the web with new innovations and ideas but that all ended several years ago as far as sales and promotion go and it’s been the same old same old ever since. Stuck in the TGP and blog rut for so long this industry was just perfect for the tube sites to come into with a bang.

Not from my own experiences. There's something people will say about that, I'm sure.

My statements are from studying businesses in other industries with similar histories/circumstances and from generally accepted business teachings. History has a habit of repeating itself and I believe studying what made some businesses succeed and other fails is a worthy exercise.

I enjoy following technology and business news and have done so from a young age. I have always had a gift for predicting trends and knowing what the next big trend is going to be. I also love strategy. Sun Tzu especially. What I was talking about above is taken directly from that. It just makes sense. You don't need experience to know if you ignore reality and just keep doing the same thing you're not going to have much success.

Other businesses have faced similar challenges and have adapted. So will porn. It's inevitable.

Also, I've had the unique opportunity to see the industry from many perspectives (porn consumer, photographer, videographer, agent at an agency, programmer, webmaster, affiliate).

I'm holding back a lot of my strategy because it would be extremely easy for someone with the right resources to completely dominate the industry if they saw the future I see and had the plan I have. Bold claim, yes, but I am confident of it.

Yup, where has all the innovation gone? The industry was brilliant to come up with those things. Why are they so ignorant of other technologies that are right under their noses that other business are already using to amazing success?

LOTS of threads like this recently.

This isn't anymore some exaggerated 2257 BS...

It's an important topic it think. It's worth having something like this at least once a week.
People are losing money yet traffic remains the same and in some cases traffic is higher yet sales are lower. It is unusual and the drop has been happening pretty fast, faster than usual I think, I only got my little numbers but from what I am seeing in this thread I am not the only guy feeling it.

At least 2257 had us spooked about content, this is about bottom dollar for affiliates. I'd rather fret about 2257 issues than lose a cent honestly...

I agree sales are getting harder to come by and after years of webmasters pumping out free content it's catching up to us fast!

Well, we're going up. We're giving a kickass product for free, users get a new girl dancing on their desktop every day for free and they can buy for as low as $2 if they want to see her naked. We show the whole member's area, don't fuck them (no adware/spyware/xsells) and guess what? They come back and buy more.

I'm not saying Desktop Strippers are the answer to the problems of the industry, we convert extremely well on traffic that suits us (up to $0.20 cents per click sent, check all our affiliates detailed statistics here: http://www2.totemcash.com/free/statistics.php) but this is not where I'm going. I believe the dominant business model in this industry (recuring membership, PPS for affiliates) should change. We're doing way more money today charging users per girl and building trust than before trying to sell membership. I guess it was a close call before between the two models, but it's not anymore with all the tube sites around. I personaly believe the next model revolves around tube site selling scenes in HD pay per view/download. Once the user found the niche he wants to jerk off on, it's the best time to provide him with the best video on that niche, in good quality for a very low price. Of course you won't be able to advertise for $35 per free trial with that, but maybe one day affiliates will start looking at how much they do per click...

my 2 cents, bash away :)

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It has nothing to do with quality (there are lots of good quality out there), but all to do with free content.

Conversions have and will find a new bottom each time the industry decide to give more free away... Anyone who have been in business for more than 8 years now this, because it has happen again and again.

Sure people might grow tired of specific content, models or even fear billing, but the vast majority of surfers use porn when mastrubating, and if they couldn´t get it for free, then they would be paying for it - maybe not monthly but atleast a few months per year to get some fresh content :2 cents:

Old business partner of mine posted around year 2000 that within 10 years webmasters would be happy with 1/3000 signup ratio (at that time it was about 1/300) with all the counter wanking taking place (people were focusing more on be #1 on some worthless counter, then on their bottomline - nothing much have changed)... and I think he will be right :2 cents:

Those who will prosper will focus on "their" niche, and build things around the content, which will make it better :2 cents:

Oh, and today this old business partner does 1/100 in mainstream, because the products are not given away for free :2 cents:

Idiocy killed the golden goose in adult...

I have quadruple my traffic but my sales have remained the same. I got something in the works that will add more quality traffic and niche specific to live cams and dating sites.

I am always evolving to get better....if you don't change you die....

I like the challenge of being a self-employed web developer in the adult industry. It definitely exercises the mind and forces creativity.

I ain't no big dog, but I do have a solo girl that does 3 webcam shows EACH and every week, and does a diary 5 times a week, and answers members emails herself. Plus I have EXCLUSIVE content in the panty niche and pantyhose niche that I shoot myself.... and lots of it (Hundreds and hundreds of hours in the members area) ALL shot by me, and only me:

All sites (all tours) from 01/01-06/11:
2007: 1:530 1445 sales/1501 rebills
2008: 1:467 1178 sales/1376 rebills

So I'm working harder, but due to my working smarter (Hiring Dickmans Design to redo my first 2 sites - one of the dickman tours still hasn't been released and is going to ROCK) my conversion rate has gotten better, but my sales are off. This isn't including my clips sales, and VOD which totally make up for the slipping sales, and surpass my income for the same time last year. I've been spending more time working that then trying to get affiliates. Plus I've been WAY busy shooting models for 4 new micro niche sites.

The sky isn't falling. Just gotta put your energy into multiple fronts. I'd be surpised if any other programs are as honest and up front about their numbers. Anyone that has panty, pantyhose, or teen traffic - hit me up.... I'll give ya anything you need to work some good numbers.

I just ran May 1 to June 10 2007 and compared to May 1 to June 10 for 2008. We are up 17% in sales this year versus last year.

We are actually enjoying our best year ever. We've worked our ass off to achieve these results. If we would have sat back we'd be nowhere near where we are right now.

Times are tougher. Working harder isn't good enough. You have to sit down and really have a solid forward thinking plan to be successful today and in the future.

This is really easy to see. I'm in this business since humm about 10 years now and I never saw free porn and big movies like that. They are not hidden or everything they are really easy to find in google. With Tube sites, 30$ a signup will never be the same in the next years as pay per click for 0.12$ a click. We will need to find another way to get signups or we will die. My two cents

how about traffic? are you up %17 in traffic since last year? or %100?

Traffic is up about 25%

Shap, sales up 17%, traffic up 25%.

Your tube sites seem to convert. Good for you. "Hard work" indeed.

This is specifically for Twistys only.

thats great

You mean since you started Twisty's this is your best year?

What I meant was the 17% and 25% were Twistys numbers. Not our entire company.

And yes it is our best year.

Then why did you add precheck cross sales? Are they included in those numbers?

From April 2007 to April 2008 was one of my best years ever for my own site, but the highs have been very high and the lows have been some of the worst lows since Jan 08. They're still buying and they're still surfing, but they aren't pulling out their cards quite as easily.

That's how its been here its like a rollercoster. I hate it lol I miss steady

PreChecked cross sales have nothing to do with Twistys actual sales. Whenever I run Twistys numbers it is strictly 100% Twistys sales. Any cross sales would be tracked separately.

Why did we add prechecked cross sales?
To increase our earnings and be more competitive.

with one of my sponsors

2007: 1:353
2008: 1:328 (so far)

The one area I have seen a drop is TGP ratios. Anybody who relies heavily on TGP for their sales will definitely have suffered a huge hit this year. I'd say over the past 18 months TGP ratios have suffered.

Now imagine submitters that have to pay the same price for partner accounts as past years to get less sales and less exposure ...so less ROI.. difficult times for them too I believe...

Yes very true and I think that this is one area hitting certain people very hard.

Well then fuck crying about tubes making you work harder.....Your problem is that your site consists of ONE BBW semi-softcore model who ain't fuckin'......How the hell is a tubesite full of HARDCORE VIDEOS dipping into your income when she is barely licking a dildo?

It ain't rocket science......Who's gonna pay for that shit?.....There isn't even any real visa on that muthafucka....

The economy is bad....more free porn available every year.........people want to spend their money on gas and food and look at tube sites for their porn fix. Of course there will always be some people who will always buy porn because they love it and can afford it. These are the people who keep us all in business

TGPs are a thing of the past. There ratios must suck ass.

Blog/Tube/Current Info/Gossip/ constantly updated at six times a day.... Drop in some hardwork and conversion will follow.

That is exactly why I said working hard doesn't cut it anymore. You have to sit down and evaluate the marketplace and come up with a plan that will allow you to be successful today and in the future. Just because it worked yesterday doesn't mean it will work tomorrow. If you don't change your business plan and adapt your business then you can't really expect business to continue to do well forever.

The big problem a lot of people have is they are lazy and don't want to adapt. The internet is a fast paced beast. I've said this before, TGPs have made absolutely no changes or improvements to their business model in the last 5+ years. TGP sites were losing traffic way before tubes came around. I actually did a lot of research on it and all tgps started dropping around the same time and it had nothing to do with tubes. You can't sit back and refuse to change and expect to continue to be successful.

100 sales a month lost!