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DatingGold · 06-08-2008, 12:03 AM

He crossed the line too many times. I've seen his videos and no way the girls had that in mind when he had them sign the papers. Lock him up.

justbangher · 06-08-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChefJeff

Donny got himself banned. I had nothing to do with it. Fuck man. Twisting the facts and shit. Show me where I bad mouthed Donny Long. One instance. And I'll apologize.

Asshole why would you start a thread pretending to want content when you are a content provider? Thats what I thought big mouth.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ong+chefje ff

ChefJeff · 06-08-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by justbangher

Asshole why would you start a thread pretending to want content when you are a content provider? Thats what I thought big mouth.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ong+chefje ff

You are assuming that.

But you've got a vivid imagination, I'll give you that.
I don't see anywhere where I bad mouthed him, not even once, even though he went off on me.

Still anonymous I see. Have a good night. I don't hate you... I don't hate Donny. I don't know him or you. And you don't know me.

Grow some balls and say who you are. I doubt you will.

Peace

justbangher · 06-08-2008, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff

You are assuming that.

But you've got a vivid imagination, I'll give you that.
I don't see anywhere where I bad mouthed him, not even once, even though he went off on me.

Still anonymous I see. Have a good night. I don't hate you... I don't hate Donny. I don't know him or you. And you don't know me.

Grow some balls and say who you are. I doubt you will.

Peace

Your the only one with no balls sir. When Donny challenged you what did you do? Cry to GFY and got him ban and he was not anonymous. I love how you cant admit to starting shit bad mouthing him when i just sent you the link

what a panzi

ChefJeff · 06-08-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by justbangher

Your the only one with no balls sir. When Donny challenged you what did you do? Cry to GFY and got him ban and he was not anonymous. I love how you cant admit to starting shit bad mouthing him when i just sent you the link

what a panzi

Again, got your facts wrong. I never went to GFY to get him banned.

Copy and paste a quote where I bad mouthed him? I don't see it.

Try again...

pocketkangaroo · 06-08-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by justbangher

Your the only one with no balls sir. When Donny challenged you what did you do? Cry to GFY and got him ban and he was not anonymous. I love how you cant admit to starting shit bad mouthing him when i just sent you the link

what a panzi

Weren't you the guy that hid inside his studio because someone you called out wanted to fight you? Irony, look it up.

After Shock Media · 06-08-2008, 01:53 AM

Donny can you take your bullshit into a different thread and jeff would you stop replying to him in this one. It has zero to do with the topic aside from donnys watermarks and sets are obscene.

testpie · 06-08-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by justbangher

Funny thing is I see after he ran his mouth about Donny Long and got him ban he went on to open
Exclusive content production - www.WeShootContent.com and
Need music? We make it and sell it. www.AdultIndustryMusic.com
Trying to do what Donny does best but is still failing while Donny is shooting everyday

I don't know who Donny Long is, but I'm willing to venture a guess that you are him.

If you are trying to hide your identity behind a fake nickname when other's suspect your true identity, don't post something kissing the ass of the true identity - it doesn't help your fake nickname's legitimacy.

Jenny S. · 06-08-2008, 06:03 AM

I makes me sad that people -again- start arguing about stupid "he said-she said" college bullshit in a thread like this. This a very important thread for everybody who is a US based webmaster with hosting in the US. If this verdict stands it is even going to affect Europe in the long run, so no need to sit here and say "why don't you fucking move". It's going to affect the use of computers to distribute porn, the location of server, and the definition of obscenity.

Max's stuff might be tasteless and a bit sick, but even if it was obscene, it is a VICTIMLESS CRIME. 100 years of possible Gulag for a victimless crime? Today it's Max, tomorrow it's going to be fisting, gang bang, or interracial, if your jury happens to be located in Mississippi. And what about paying a drug hooker, fucking her, and puting the stuff online?

Compared to what's out there on supposedly "legal" sites like Rapidshare, Beasttube, Rapeboard, ect. it's softcore. Oh, OK, that's legal because they are just providing free server space and have people upload anonymously, while Adlutfriendfinder has their banner on the sites and pays indirectly for the shit. Of course, they can't know that a site called "rapeboard" promotes rape.

geedub · 06-08-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChefJeff

Which ever side of the fence your on, obscenity laws are unconsitutional and are a creation of religious conservatives in gobment.

exactly, it doesn't come down to if you like the content or not, he is free to do this.

Gerco · 06-08-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Max's stuff might be tasteless and a bit sick, but even if it was obscene, it is a VICTIMLESS CRIME. 100 years of possible Gulag for a victimless crime? Today it's Max, tomorrow it's going to be fisting, gang bang, or interracial, if your jury happens to be located in Mississippi. And what about paying a drug hooker, fucking her, and puting the stuff online?

Looks like the next one they are after is Buttman and Evil Angel...

http://www.xbiz.com/docs/xbiz/news/9...as%20filed.pdf

fuzebox · 06-08-2008, 09:39 AM

I was surprised to see Extremehole.com in the list when I clicked on this thread... I just assumed that Jeff saw the name "extreme" and typed it in without even looking at the site.

davecummings · 06-08-2008, 09:48 AM

I write a monthly column--here's this month's, which relates to the Max Hardcore matter:

FROM THE TRENCHES
BY: Dave Cummings – Porn Star/Director-Producer

For the last 5-6 years, I’ve worried about free speech in Houston and elsewhere because of the way some politicians have proposed/erected roadblocks in the form of intrusive legislation against adult entertainment. It has certainly seemed one-sided, hypocritical, and out-of-touch with serving the public.

Because of a recent so-called “jury” decision, I’m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don’t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he’s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into “getting” Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other “real” crimes.

I sense that radical religious hypocrites are celebrating that they “got” Max. But, I personally think they need to realize that curtailing the rights of American adults to be entertained by other consenting adults doesn’t lesser the thirst or availability of Americans to access and enjoy Adult Entertainment. In the case of adult DVDs, taking down the “porn” Industry won’t stop the normalcy of Americans desiring unfettered access to porn; instead, the void might well be filled by harsher “Euro” porn from Eastern Europe, the former USSR, and other places where very “hardcore” content will flood America, and its computer screens and other delivery platforms. “Closing down” American porn does nothing, other than give the monetary economics of the porn business to non-Americans. What happened in Tampa recently seems UN-AMERICAN – no one on a jury should feel pressured by other jury members, or anyone else, to convict!

We presently have Americans fighting and dying overseas in wars. Their efforts, along with the people involved in other past conflicts, are contributing towards the continued preservation of our American freedoms. One of those precious freedoms is the right to continued free speech, and to privacy, and security. Politicians in power, as well as government entities at all levels, need to realize that they cannot allow themselves to be “pushed” by campaign contributors, religious hypocrites, or other politicians who “feel” a need to make citizens comply with their own personal religious standards, NOT EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADULT ENTERTAINMENT!

Candidly, I’m feeling almost as much concerned about the potential for loss of personal freedoms at the hands of our own government and/or American politicians and/or radical religious hypocrites, as I am about radical religious terrorists.

The upcoming elections might alleviate some of the above, but we ALL need to become informed VOTERS.

Please VOTE!!!!!!

Dave Cummings, www.davecummings.com / www.davecummings.tv

GregE · 06-08-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by davecummings

I write a monthly column--here's this month's, which relates to the Max Hardcore matter

Excellent article!

Jenny S. · 06-08-2008, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings

I write a monthly column--here's this month's, which relates to the Max Hardcore matter:

FROM THE TRENCHES
BY: Dave Cummings ? Porn Star/Director-Producer[/url]

A very good analysis of the case, Dave. Thank you!

davecummings · 06-08-2008, 02:52 PM

Here's the documentation about the pressure on some jurist(s?) to convict---it's in the bottom half of this AVN posting from Mark Kernes (who apparently personally witnessed the comments?) ---- http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30615.html

BVF · 06-08-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

And I should be. Do you know that Extremehole is my only site? Did you know that I came into this business from nothing, with no experience, no contacts and literally owned a 400 dollar computer and 150 dollar camera? I'm one of the last examples of the "little" guy actually making something that worked.

Did you also know that to my (ex) wife and I, nothing on our site was really that out there? It was really who we where and how we lived in real life. I had fun building the site and learning as I went. I've had the pleasure to shoot with a LOT of people over the years and have seriously enjoyed all of it.

I'm not a team of people... or a large company or mister deep pockets... I'm just 1 guy. Everything that has been done to build the site, from the shooting to the building to the running of it is just me.

I'm not ashamed to point the site out to anyone, but it does burn me when the "obscenity" talk starts and automatically someone thinks to lump me into it.

Yes, that's why I noticed you.....I came up the same way as you did and make my living from only one site also.

Gerco · 06-08-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Yes, that's why I noticed you.....I came up the same way as you did and make my living from only one site also.

I guess all of us little guys that started in this alone should start a club

Hmmm what would we call it. 1 man porn corp? LOL.

davecummings · 06-08-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerco

I guess all of us little guys that started in this alone should start a club

Hmmm what would we call it. 1 man porn corp? LOL.

Dave Cummings Productions is a one-man operation (me!). I contract for a shooter/editor/DVD Sleeve Artist/replicator, but I have no employees. For my Knee Pad Nymphos series (which has three AVN Award nominations, none of which won, though), I am the producer, director, caterer, stills photographer, video shooter, performer, and janitor, 2257 Custodian of Records, etc.

Jenny S. · 06-08-2008, 05:54 PM

Anybody in here got tattooed chicks online? Utah would probably be a good place to pick a jury for an obscenity trial. Somebody just emailed me this:

http://tattoo.about.com/b/2008/03/23...lease-help.htm

What's next?

JP-pornshooter · 06-09-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Is he not the owner of the Company? Doesn't Max give permission for someone to distribute a video? Is he the primary producer? He is in control of it all, just like all primary producers are. The only time it's not in your control is if you have been pirated.

If the Film/Movie industry has different rules/laws to follow, then he/we should be able beat a trailer or site, being taken as a whole. However, a trailer that was cut from a full production, is enough to sample, understand, view, and experience without having to watch the entire thing. The idea of that is to show that it's tasteful, artful, contributes, whatever that crap is it says. Now, one trailer being a sample of an entire Website, I see the idea they are going after. Maybe if the site actually did have an artful taste to it, learning, or community, some special videos, I'm sure the court would allow those. Pending they wouldn't make the court puke.

I look at it like this, I can think or not think obscenity is right or wrong. If it is unconstitutional then this case should go high enough to prove or disprove that. I can see a clear, hardcore sex, safe line that will not get you into trouble, Flynt set that for us. We have a huge gray area, most of it being safe. But you can also clearly see a red zone that will get your ass nailed, beast, fake sexual rape, scat, the easy to spot extreme shit.

I don't think Max stuff should be found obscene, at least the small amounts I have watched. I'm not a hardcore porn fan, but adults consented to view his films and I'm fine with that as long as everyone in the production was aware of what was going to happen before hand.

I see some new laws coming in, if this case sticks, years from now prob. I see the degrading women law (bondage-bonded, extreme pain, ect.. in sexual moments) something like Canada has. This is what the Max case is screaming to me.

as a content producer often you sell a complete shoot to a client as exclusive, what they do with the content you cannot control. quite possible your client could ship it somewhere illegally and you as producer could get in trouble, it sounds likely...

secondly, all those who think they are safe just because they are overseas or in canada or the islands etc.. think again. WHERE are the majority of your clients? just look what happened to online gambling, and to those who tried to make online gambling available to americans... you might not be first in line, but you are definitively not safe.

i hope the industry comes out 100% in support for Max, with lawyers and legal support to ensure that this is overturned in an appeals court. i have a feeling people like L Flynt is already on this but if it not the case then there is a serious problem on the horizon for all of us.

NikKay · 06-10-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Anybody in here got tattooed chicks online? Utah would probably be a good place to pick a jury for an obscenity trial. Somebody just emailed me this:

http://tattoo.about.com/b/2008/03/23...lease-help.htm

What's next?

This isn't really the same thing; these people are being accused of showing photos of genital piercings to minor children without parental consent.

06-08-2008, 12:03 AM	#101
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	He crossed the line too many times. I've seen his videos and no way the girls had that in mind when he had them sign the papers. Lock him up. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

06-08-2008, 01:53 AM	#107
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Donny can you take your bullshit into a different thread and jeff would you stop replying to him in this one. It has zero to do with the topic aside from donnys watermarks and sets are obscene. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

06-08-2008, 06:03 AM	#109
Jenny S. Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Europe and SE US Posts: 582	I makes me sad that people -again- start arguing about stupid "he said-she said" college bullshit in a thread like this. This a very important thread for everybody who is a US based webmaster with hosting in the US. If this verdict stands it is even going to affect Europe in the long run, so no need to sit here and say "why don't you fucking move". It's going to affect the use of computers to distribute porn, the location of server, and the definition of obscenity. Max's stuff might be tasteless and a bit sick, but even if it was obscene, it is a VICTIMLESS CRIME. 100 years of possible Gulag for a victimless crime? Today it's Max, tomorrow it's going to be fisting, gang bang, or interracial, if your jury happens to be located in Mississippi. And what about paying a drug hooker, fucking her, and puting the stuff online? Compared to what's out there on supposedly "legal" sites like Rapidshare, Beasttube, Rapeboard, ect. it's softcore. Oh, OK, that's legal because they are just providing free server space and have people upload anonymously, while Adlutfriendfinder has their banner on the sites and pays indirectly for the shit. Of course, they can't know that a site called "rapeboard" promotes rape. __________________ Jenny Seemore Pornography is the bloody gladiator who stands guard over the First Amendment

06-08-2008, 09:48 AM	#113
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	I write a monthly column--here's this month's, which relates to the Max Hardcore matter: FROM THE TRENCHES BY: Dave Cummings – Porn Star/Director-Producer For the last 5-6 years, I’ve worried about free speech in Houston and elsewhere because of the way some politicians have proposed/erected roadblocks in the form of intrusive legislation against adult entertainment. It has certainly seemed one-sided, hypocritical, and out-of-touch with serving the public. Because of a recent so-called “jury” decision, I’m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don’t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he’s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into “getting” Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other “real” crimes. I sense that radical religious hypocrites are celebrating that they “got” Max. But, I personally think they need to realize that curtailing the rights of American adults to be entertained by other consenting adults doesn’t lesser the thirst or availability of Americans to access and enjoy Adult Entertainment. In the case of adult DVDs, taking down the “porn” Industry won’t stop the normalcy of Americans desiring unfettered access to porn; instead, the void might well be filled by harsher “Euro” porn from Eastern Europe, the former USSR, and other places where very “hardcore” content will flood America, and its computer screens and other delivery platforms. “Closing down” American porn does nothing, other than give the monetary economics of the porn business to non-Americans. What happened in Tampa recently seems UN-AMERICAN – no one on a jury should feel pressured by other jury members, or anyone else, to convict! We presently have Americans fighting and dying overseas in wars. Their efforts, along with the people involved in other past conflicts, are contributing towards the continued preservation of our American freedoms. One of those precious freedoms is the right to continued free speech, and to privacy, and security. Politicians in power, as well as government entities at all levels, need to realize that they cannot allow themselves to be “pushed” by campaign contributors, religious hypocrites, or other politicians who “feel” a need to make citizens comply with their own personal religious standards, NOT EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADULT ENTERTAINMENT! Candidly, I’m feeling almost as much concerned about the potential for loss of personal freedoms at the hands of our own government and/or American politicians and/or radical religious hypocrites, as I am about radical religious terrorists. The upcoming elections might alleviate some of the above, but we ALL need to become informed VOTERS. Please VOTE!!!!!! Dave Cummings, www.davecummings.com / www.davecummings.tv __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected] Last edited by davecummings; 06-08-2008 at 09:49 AM..

06-08-2008, 02:52 PM	#116
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	Here's the documentation about the pressure on some jurist(s?) to convict---it's in the bottom half of this AVN posting from Mark Kernes (who apparently personally witnessed the comments?) ---- http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30615.html __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

06-08-2008, 09:39 AM	#112
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,083	I was surprised to see Extremehole.com in the list when I clicked on this thread... I just assumed that Jeff saw the name "extreme" and typed it in without even looking at the site.

06-08-2008, 05:54 PM	#120
Jenny S. Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Europe and SE US Posts: 582	Anybody in here got tattooed chicks online? Utah would probably be a good place to pick a jury for an obscenity trial. Somebody just emailed me this: http://tattoo.about.com/b/2008/03/23...lease-help.htm What's next? __________________ Jenny Seemore Pornography is the bloody gladiator who stands guard over the First Amendment