(by the way, you link to your site in your signature. What is the difference?)

Hang on a minute... as if I am the only source that the DOJ needs to locate your sites? They can't find it without this thread?

Another site owner had GFY remove their site from my random list. Which says one thing... people are seriously worried. And that means that this case has a clear impact on free speech, especially sexual expressions.

This is my entire point. This is a big case and all the posts, save for the blatent personal attacks and name calling, are good posts with lots of valid points.

I don't even remember how I stumbled upon your particular site. I just thought it was a good example of what everyone is talking about and it relates directly to the discussion. If I didn't start a thread like this I'm certain someone else would have.

Am I the key to the DOJ finding sites? Maybe I should get hired by the FBI. Or maybe I already work for them? JK.

It seems absurd to fault me for simply listing random sites as examples for this very important adult industry debate.

orgish doesn't involves penises going into vaginas or anuses. Appeantly that matters.

as soon as I saw extremehole on the list, I knew dude was about to get flamed because I've seen the hole guy in here before and I know that he's very passionate about his site.

Jeff is a retard and a rat and a lot of people know it. Not his fault he was born like that.

Is that the best you can do? Fucking coward. Hiding behind a fucking anonymous nick. It's easy to talk shit when you're being anonymous. Everyone knows me and knows I'm a stand-up guy, so your childish rants bother me not. Keep it coming. Coward.

awww are your panties getting in a bunch? :1orglaugh

But is it a good example? There are many fisting sites. Some bigger some smaller... but in what what do they fit with what Max was nailed on? I guess with your logic, you could have listed any sites where guys gum on girls faces, Maybe some tranny fucking sites. What about all the Domination and bondage sites, The Beast sites. The Gay fisting sites and the list goes on an on.

I'm glad that my site made enough impression on you that you remembered me, but come on... exactly how to you see my site relating to the stuff Max was shooting and busted on in anyway?

Not in the least. Your posts only reveal your own shortcomings and insecurities.

I don't know who you are and don't care, but I do know that anonymous insults are the sanctuary of cowards. So kindly, fuck off.

And I should be. Do you know that Extremehole is my only site? Did you know that I came into this business from nothing, with no experience, no contacts and literally owned a 400 dollar computer and 150 dollar camera? I'm one of the last examples of the "little" guy actually making something that worked.

Did you also know that to my (ex) wife and I, nothing on our site was really that out there? It was really who we where and how we lived in real life. I had fun building the site and learning as I went. I've had the pleasure to shoot with a LOT of people over the years and have seriously enjoyed all of it.

I'm not a team of people... or a large company or mister deep pockets... I'm just 1 guy. Everything that has been done to build the site, from the shooting to the building to the running of it is just me.

I'm not ashamed to point the site out to anyone, but it does burn me when the "obscenity" talk starts and automatically someone thinks to lump me into it.

I hear what you are saying. I listed your site totally at random.

But what about your signature? You link to it yourself. What is the difference? Just making a point.

Yes I could have listed any one of hundreds or thousands of other sites. Which is why I started my thread by stating that the sites listed are simply random examples for this debate.

From my point of view, this moral crusade, and that's what it is, is a disgrace and is fueled by the religious right just as it was in the 70's. They are trying to impose their view of morality on the entire country. And that's not freedom. That can't be what all those who have fought and died in wars defending America died for. They sacrificed so that we can enjoy our freedoms. Freedoms!

There was a GREAT study done by the Stanford School of Law, there was a link to it from the FSC site a while back not sure if it's still there, but the findings of the study showed that as internet use went up in specific geographic areas, the number of sexual crimes went down. That makes total sense.

And what about the 1968 Presidential report on pornography? It found that not only was porn not bad, but it was actually beneficial and healthy in many cases. But the administration buried the findings. This was the only scientific study commissioned by the government to see what the effects of porn were. They buried it because it didn't conclude what they wanted. And they went ahead with their crack down anyway.

And the Meese Commission report wasn't even a scientific study, that report was based soley on testimony by a hand picked group of right wingers. 2257 came out of that.

There has to be some way to stand up for our rights. Shit, I would even settle for them being specific about what is and isn't obscene.

You know how you know you're speeding? Cause the sign says what the limit is.

No one knows if they've broken obscenity laws until a jury says so. How can that be constitutional?

We have much in common.

Any you know, I totally understand and agree with what your saying. I have been saying a lot of this for years on here and on other sites. Yes, I do link to my site. I want people to find it and enjoy it. But I don't link to it stating it's obscene. Somewhere my site, along with the others you listed seemed to strike a cord in you that was strong enough for you to think of listing it. I was just trying to understand what that cord might have been in your thoughts. You in this business, your a shooter and I have to say that I find that point of view interesting.

Also, I never meant to imply that ANY of those sites were obscene. I posed a question. And I think a good question at that.

What exactly is the point of view that you are referring to?

Hit me up on ICQ please. 130284355

I feel you and all I can say is: This guy is a asshole and a bunch of people hate him. This is what happens when people that have money that they did not work hard for enter the industry with very little knowledge of the biz. They hire people to build them stuff and piss off a bunch of peeps and run their mouth to much.

Funny thing is I see after he ran his mouth about Donny Long and got him ban he went on to open
Exclusive content production - www.WeShootContent.com and
Need music? We make it and sell it. www.AdultIndustryMusic.com
Trying to do what Donny does best but is still failing while Donny is shooting everyday :1orglaugh

This post goes to show you know nothing absolutely about me. LOL. Bite me.
So Mr. tough guy, why you posting anonymously? Coward. Let's see if you have the balls to reveal yourself. Probably not though. Nothing worse than a coward.

Um, I've been shooting content for 8 years. LOL...

Well, at least you're good for a laugh.

Donny got himself banned. I had nothing to do with it. Fuck man. Twisting the facts and shit. Show me where I bad mouthed Donny Long. One instance. And I'll apologize.

DonnyLongProductions.com - created Aug 2007
WeShootContent.com - created May 2006

oops try again...

What I find kind of funny is that the only few differences between his videos and say fear factor is sex, and the use of human sperm. Ok there is some fantasy acting but who cares about that really.

I could make you suck whale sperm with a straw and its fine.
I could make you eat sheep balls until you puke and its fine and hell I will even supply a puke bucket.
I can have others or myself make fake puking noises to try to encourage you to puke.
I can have you freeze your sack off just for shits and giggles.
I can make you crash a car.
I can have to try to walk across something and get your nads crushed.
I can place you in full on bondage and bury you with creatures of your worst psychological fear and force your partner to perform a task to help you escape.
I can do all that and much more and not even pay you for it however I can not have sex involved.

arnt these grey lines fun.

He crossed the line too many times. I've seen his videos and no way the girls had that in mind when he had them sign the papers. Lock him up.

Asshole why would you start a thread pretending to want content when you are a content provider? Thats what I thought big mouth.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ong+chefje ff

You are assuming that.

But you've got a vivid imagination, I'll give you that.
I don't see anywhere where I bad mouthed him, not even once, even though he went off on me.

Still anonymous I see. Have a good night. I don't hate you... I don't hate Donny. I don't know him or you. And you don't know me.

Grow some balls and say who you are. I doubt you will.

Peace

Your the only one with no balls sir. When Donny challenged you what did you do? Cry to GFY and got him ban and he was not anonymous. I love how you cant admit to starting shit bad mouthing him when i just sent you the link :1orglaugh what a panzi :321GFY

Again, got your facts wrong. I never went to GFY to get him banned.

Copy and paste a quote where I bad mouthed him? I don't see it.

Try again...

Weren't you the guy that hid inside his studio because someone you called out wanted to fight you? Irony, look it up. :1orglaugh

Donny can you take your bullshit into a different thread and jeff would you stop replying to him in this one. It has zero to do with the topic aside from donnys watermarks and sets are obscene.

I don't know who Donny Long is, but I'm willing to venture a guess that you are him.

If you are trying to hide your identity behind a fake nickname when other's suspect your true identity, don't post something kissing the ass of the true identity - it doesn't help your fake nickname's legitimacy. :2 cents:

I makes me sad that people -again- start arguing about stupid "he said-she said" college bullshit in a thread like this. This a very important thread for everybody who is a US based webmaster with hosting in the US. If this verdict stands it is even going to affect Europe in the long run, so no need to sit here and say "why don't you fucking move". It's going to affect the use of computers to distribute porn, the location of server, and the definition of obscenity.

Max's stuff might be tasteless and a bit sick, but even if it was obscene, it is a VICTIMLESS CRIME. 100 years of possible Gulag for a victimless crime? Today it's Max, tomorrow it's going to be fisting, gang bang, or interracial, if your jury happens to be located in Mississippi. And what about paying a drug hooker, fucking her, and puting the stuff online?

Compared to what's out there on supposedly "legal" sites like Rapidshare, Beasttube, Rapeboard, ect. it's softcore. Oh, OK, that's legal because they are just providing free server space and have people upload anonymously, while Adlutfriendfinder has their banner on the sites and pays indirectly for the shit. Of course, they can't know that a site called "rapeboard" promotes rape.

exactly, it doesn't come down to if you like the content or not, he is free to do this.

Looks like the next one they are after is Buttman and Evil Angel...


http://www.xbiz.com/docs/xbiz/news/9...as%20filed.pdf

I was surprised to see Extremehole.com in the list when I clicked on this thread... I just assumed that Jeff saw the name "extreme" and typed it in without even looking at the site.

I write a monthly column--here's this month's, which relates to the Max Hardcore matter:

FROM THE TRENCHES
BY: Dave Cummings – Porn Star/Director-Producer

For the last 5-6 years, I’ve worried about free speech in Houston and elsewhere because of the way some politicians have proposed/erected roadblocks in the form of intrusive legislation against adult entertainment. It has certainly seemed one-sided, hypocritical, and out-of-touch with serving the public.

Because of a recent so-called “jury” decision, I’m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don’t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he’s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into “getting” Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other “real” crimes.

I sense that radical religious hypocrites are celebrating that they “got” Max. But, I personally think they need to realize that curtailing the rights of American adults to be entertained by other consenting adults doesn’t lesser the thirst or availability of Americans to access and enjoy Adult Entertainment. In the case of adult DVDs, taking down the “porn” Industry won’t stop the normalcy of Americans desiring unfettered access to porn; instead, the void might well be filled by harsher “Euro” porn from Eastern Europe, the former USSR, and other places where very “hardcore” content will flood America, and its computer screens and other delivery platforms. “Closing down” American porn does nothing, other than give the monetary economics of the porn business to non-Americans. What happened in Tampa recently seems UN-AMERICAN – no one on a jury should feel pressured by other jury members, or anyone else, to convict!

We presently have Americans fighting and dying overseas in wars. Their efforts, along with the people involved in other past conflicts, are contributing towards the continued preservation of our American freedoms. One of those precious freedoms is the right to continued free speech, and to privacy, and security. Politicians in power, as well as government entities at all levels, need to realize that they cannot allow themselves to be “pushed” by campaign contributors, religious hypocrites, or other politicians who “feel” a need to make citizens comply with their own personal religious standards, NOT EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADULT ENTERTAINMENT!

Candidly, I’m feeling almost as much concerned about the potential for loss of personal freedoms at the hands of our own government and/or American politicians and/or radical religious hypocrites, as I am about radical religious terrorists.

The upcoming elections might alleviate some of the above, but we ALL need to become informed VOTERS.

Please VOTE!!!!!!

Dave Cummings, www.davecummings.com / www.davecummings.tv

Excellent article! :thumbsup

A very good analysis of the case, Dave. Thank you!

Here's the documentation about the pressure on some jurist(s?) to convict---it's in the bottom half of this AVN posting from Mark Kernes (who apparently personally witnessed the comments?) ---- http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30615.html

Yes, that's why I noticed you.....I came up the same way as you did and make my living from only one site also.

I guess all of us little guys that started in this alone should start a club :)

Hmmm what would we call it. 1 man porn corp? LOL.

Dave Cummings Productions is a one-man operation (me!). I contract for a shooter/editor/DVD Sleeve Artist/replicator, but I have no employees. For my Knee Pad Nymphos series (which has three AVN Award nominations, none of which won, though), I am the producer, director, caterer, stills photographer, video shooter, performer, and janitor, 2257 Custodian of Records, etc.

Anybody in here got tattooed chicks online? Utah would probably be a good place to pick a jury for an obscenity trial. Somebody just emailed me this:

http://tattoo.about.com/b/2008/03/23...lease-help.htm

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