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Obama Threatens Iran With War

06-04-2008, 05:12 PM

Just another neo-con looking to expand the war

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Israel can take care of herself. I am 100% for a free and independent Israel and do not believe that Israel should be asking the US if they can keep themselves safe. Israel could destroy Iran if need be.

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06-04-2008, 05:19 PM

Whats wrong with that. Americans love NEo-cons. Compared toe Mccain Obama is a big lovable teddy bear.

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06-04-2008, 05:20 PM

How is he going to war when he said if israel has to go to war its their call?
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06-04-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by notoldschool

Whats wrong with that. Americans love NEo-cons. Compared toe Mccain Obama is a big lovable teddy bear.

Should I make this joke?

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06-04-2008, 05:25 PM

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How is he going to war when he said if israel has to go to war its their call?

Using the UN where we have veto power. And he said he would do everything in his power to keep Iran from getting nukes. Pretty easy to read. Sounds exactly like a McCain speech
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06-04-2008, 07:16 PM

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06-04-2008, 07:18 PM

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06-04-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Using the UN where we have veto power. And he said he would do everything in his power to keep Iran from getting nukes. Pretty easy to read. Sounds exactly like a McCain speech

What exactly is wrong with stopping Iran from getting nukes? They are supporting the insurgents in Iraq. They support Hezbollah and the attacks on Israel. This is proven facts.

Iraq didn't have anti armor hand grenades. Guess what Iran did and the insurgents in Iraq are using them. So how did they get them? Humm let me guess... Iran.

Iraq should have never been the target.. it should have always been Iran as they "are" the real problem in the middle east.

The difference is Obama has said he is willing to talk with Iran. If they are willing to work with us then there will be no problems. If they continue to support insurgents in Iraq and continue to work on nukes.. Well then, I'm sure the supreme leader will have a few cruse missiles up his ass.

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06-04-2008, 07:47 PM

And Obama will also be talking to Hugo (Venezuela)

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06-05-2008, 02:41 PM

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What exactly is wrong with stopping Iran from getting nukes? They are supporting the insurgents in Iraq. They support Hezbollah and the attacks on Israel. This is proven facts.

Iraq didn't have anti armor hand grenades. Guess what Iran did and the insurgents in Iraq are using them. So how did they get them? Humm let me guess... Iran.

Iraq should have never been the target.. it should have always been Iran as they "are" the real problem in the middle east.

The difference is Obama has said he is willing to talk with Iran. If they are willing to work with us then there will be no problems. If they continue to support insurgents in Iraq and continue to work on nukes.. Well then, I'm sure the supreme leader will have a few cruse missiles up his ass.

The presidents only obligation is to the Constitution and the American people. Where does it say we need to keep the middle east safe and take care of the middle east problems?
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06-05-2008, 02:55 PM

The President talking with Iran only legitimizes the regime there.

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06-05-2008, 03:00 PM

yea.. that was in his speech to Aipic? or whatever? it came off as pretty reasonable considering
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06-05-2008, 03:13 PM

let those fucks kill each other off. we would all be better off without the middle east. they have been fighting for 1000s of years, nothing we will say or do is going to stop them.

fuck israel. fuck stability in the region. lets worry about our own problems for a while. let france or someone else worry about them.

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06-05-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Iraq should have never been the target.. it should have always been Iran as they "are" the real problem in the middle east.

Iran is a country thrice the size and x5 the strenght of the country that already handed the proud us military its ass.
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06-05-2008, 08:46 PM

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06-05-2008, 08:49 PM

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06-05-2008, 08:52 PM

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let those fucks kill each other off. we would all be better off without the middle east. they have been fighting for 1000s of years, nothing we will say or do is going to stop them.

fuck israel. fuck stability in the region. lets worry about our own problems for a while. let france or someone else worry about them.

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06-05-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

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06-05-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

Iran is a country thrice the size and x5 the strenght of the country that already handed the proud us military its ass.

Iraq's army didn't hand any one their ass.. Much the same as Iran's wouldn't. The mistake made by Bush and co in Iraq, was turning our army into a police force. Something it can't and was never meant to be.

Our air force would pound Iran into nothing with out a boot hitting the ground. No army has ever had a easy time with a insurgency.. Russia didn't in Afghan.. Great Britain didn't when we had our American revolution.

However any sort of military movements by Iran would be ended shortly after they were started. Iran can have a million man army for all anyone cares but if they can't move them they are useless for anything other than a defensive force.

If the US went to war with Iran we would own their air space in 24 hours and it would be non stop bombing after that. Much like the 1991 Gulf War.

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06-05-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Iraq's army didn't hand any one their ass.. Much the same as Iran's wouldn't. The mistake made by Bush and co in Iraq, was turning our army into a police force. Something it can't and was never meant to be.

Our air force would pound Iran into nothing with out a boot hitting the ground. No army has ever had a easy time with a insurgency.. Russia didn't in Afghan.. Great Britain didn't when we had our American revolution.

However any sort of military movements by Iran would be ended shortly after they were started. Iran can have a million man army for all anyone cares but if they can't move them they are useless for anything other than a defensive force.

If the US went to war with Iran we would own their air space in 24 hours and it would be non stop bombing after that. Much like the 1991 Gulf War.

I was talking country not army.

On the other hand you're talking maybes. Nobody cares how some army could have won some imaginary fight fought in some laboratory conditions it was "designed" to confront.

The reality in the field today is the US is defeated. By a military or by a population or by rampaging rodents, makes no difference. Lost is when you haven't won, and don't know when, or if, you will.

But one thing generals, and apparently forumists refuse yet to learn today, but was taught them the hard way almost 50 years ago, and time and again since : The air battle is part of the battle, but is not the entire battle.

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06-05-2008, 09:21 PM

lol you are on some serious crack if you think our army is defeated in Iraq.. It's been mismanaged to hell but it is far from defeated.

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06-05-2008, 09:50 PM

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Iran is a country thrice the size and x5 the strenght of the country that already handed the proud us military its ass.

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06-05-2008, 09:57 PM

And where does he make that threat? Before AIPAC... They honestly control your foreign policy in the ME and it is making the US a lot of unnecessary enemies. Neo-cons are not patriots, they are sellouts and globalists.

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06-05-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

I was talking country not army.

On the other hand you're talking maybes. Nobody cares how some army could have won some imaginary fight fought in some laboratory conditions it was "designed" to confront.

The reality in the field today is the US is defeated. By a military or by a population or by rampaging rodents, makes no difference. Lost is when you haven't won, and don't know when, or if, you will.

But one thing generals, and apparently forumists refuse yet to learn today, but was taught them the hard way almost 50 years ago, and time and again since : The air battle is part of the battle, but is not the entire battle.

The only part of America that was defeated was our politicians.
The American Military has gone far beyond what it is for, not just in obliterating target's with surgical precision but handling the politics of the Iraqi's and operating as the only stabilizing force within Iraq for far longer than expected.

Our politicans failed this war but by no means did the military. If you want to call frequent a failed attacks on American soldier's a victory you are very mistaken.

For the number of the few thousand KIA's America has suffered, the Iranian Special forces and veritable insurgent forces the kill ratio is roughly 1 American dead for almost 30 Iranians/Insurgents downed. There has been no military stronger than the American military in the history of the world.

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06-05-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

The presidents only obligation is to the Constitution and the American people. Where does it say we need to keep the middle east safe and take care of the middle east problems?

After the Islamic revolution in Iran and it strive to provide it supporting loads of cash, weapons, maybe weapons against masses to terrorists at any conflict zone against the western countries they can be everybody's problem at some point.
They don't even need to start a war, just arm some people of freedom with what they can provide and you get an indirect war against the west in sizes this fuckers order.

So why the fuck to give them an option to do this?

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06-05-2008, 10:28 PM

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Iran is a country thrice the size and x5 the strenght of the country that already handed the proud us military its ass.

What the fuck kind of crack are you smoking?

The United States - which at that moment had already deployed troops to Afghanistan - Kicked in the door to Iraq, drove straight into Bagdad (Remember that idiot on TV saying "There are no US tanks in Bagdad"?), overthrew it's government, and has been occupying the country since. The US went so quickly and with such force that the Iraqi military was either destroyed from a distance, or the Iraqi military packed up, went home, and hid.

Oh, and by the way, this was the second time we've done this.

How the fuck did Iraq hand us our ass?

Nearly two hundred thousand US troops invaded a country, and over five years later we've lost less than five thousand lives. While this sounds like a horrible number, you need to keep in mind that this is over a period of five years, and a large percentage of this number was from terrorist attacks and IEDs - not combat. I should also point out that in past wars we lost more than five thousand US lives in a single battle, no less over a five year period.

I just finished reading a book called "Marines in the garden of Eden". It's about a battle that took place in a town in Iraq called An Nasiriyah. The US Marines rolled through their town with such force that it was amazing.

Yeah, I'm sorry, the US didn't get their "asses handed to them". We invaded, over-ran, and destroyed their military, overthrew what little was left of their government, and forced it's leader to hide in a hole for a year. And we are still there.

I think the Iraqi military was a joke.

And if Iran thinks it's going to be any different, well, they haven't been paying attention.

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06-05-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

The presidents only obligation is to the Constitution and the American people. Where does it say we need to keep the middle east safe and take care of the middle east problems?

Exactly right
We never belonged in any of those countries in the first place. It doesn't matter what crap reason they give. We are in these countries because of 9/11 supposedly. There where 2,974 people that died from that. We have killed over 1,000,000. That should be enough for every country in the world to call us the terrorist.

What we should have done was listen to the many sources that told the government 9/11 was going to happen before it did and this would have never even started. Also these countries are across an ocean. They do not have fleets to send here. Stop being scared of nothing.
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06-05-2008, 11:12 PM

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06-06-2008, 12:12 AM

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06-06-2008, 12:30 AM

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After the Islamic revolution in Iran and it strive to provide it supporting loads of cash, weapons, maybe weapons against masses to terrorists at any conflict zone against the western countries they can be everybody's problem at some point.
They don't even need to start a war, just arm some people of freedom with what they can provide and you get an indirect war against the west in sizes this fuckers order.

So why the fuck to give them an option to do this?

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06-06-2008, 01:00 AM

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lol you are on some serious crack if you think our army is defeated in Iraq.. It's been mismanaged to hell but it is far from defeated.

It's certainly not a defeat, but I don't see any progress for a long time. People die, things don't change. Sure, we can continue like this for another 2 years, another decade, but it doesn't change anything. I doubt they'll have a democracy there for the next century.

Iran is the same. You can remove the regime, you can defeat their army, but you can't change the minds of the people living there with a war.

The UAE have shown how muslim countries can develope and change without abandoning everything they believe in, their tradition, their religion, etc...economy changes things, not war.
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06-06-2008, 01:05 AM

I'm glad to see military propaganda is still watched, loved and belived by a discerning public.

I can assure you the exact same thing is happening with people just as you - eerily identical, in fact - in Afganistan, Iran and Iraq.

For the rest of us, the situation remains kind of funny, the US military remains soundly defeated (for I think the 5th time since Vietnam is it ? Funny how the only actually won war since ww2 was what, Granada ? Apparently the French are dearly needed or something) and Iraq remains a shithole, smaller than Iran, but still a shithole in it's own right.
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