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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449

    #1

    A public apology to DrinkingHard and GTS

    Awhile back, I threw DH and GTS under the bus so to speak. I started a thread saying I was boycotting them and that everyone else should too, because of his decision to broker ads for tube sites.

    I jumped the gun, and I should have given DH time to do what he said he was going to do, which was to work with those sites to use only sponsor provided (and personal user uploaded amateur) content.

    It looks like the sites he represents are headed down that path, and I should have given him the benefit of the doubt.

    I've been really frustrated lately by the loss of income that I can only assume is due to the massive proliferation of free content available, mostly on tube sites, and I guess I took my frustration out on DH and GTS.
    I shouldn't have done that and I apologize.

    Boycotting GTS over tube sites is like boycotting your local grocer for selling Clorox because clorox's parent company was found dumping toxic waste somewhere. At some point you'll end up boycotting every company in the world over something you don't like because they're all interconnected in some way.

    A friend pointed out to me recently that it would be hypocritical of me to move my hosting to Ch00pa after what I said about DH, because apparently Ch00pa hosts some of the biggest tube sites. (I didn't know this at the time)
    After some reflection, I decided he was right but that it would be silly for me to boycott Ch00pa, and therefore it was silly of me to lump GTS into a group of people I won't do business with.

    They still may not want to do business with me after what I said about them, and I can understand that, but they deserved the apology anyways.

    I'm Lenny2 (aka Snake Doctor) and I approved this message.
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  • Klen
    • Aug 2006
    • 32235

    #2
    So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?

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    • Evil Chris
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      • Dec 2001
      • 13248

      #3
      these public apology threads are always funny.


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      • JFK
        FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
        • Jan 2002
        • 67373

        #4
        Originally posted by KlenTelaris
        So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?
        not to put words in his mouth , but perhaps legal ones ?

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        • Jens Van Assterdam
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          • Feb 2008
          • 6677

          #5
          Tubes are were the monies are!
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          • BradM
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2003
            • 3397

            #6
            Supporting those who support content theft = Priceless.

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            • Martin
              "Assassins"
              • Dec 2001
              • 17277

              #7
              I saw this thread coming Lenny.. When you made that thread I thought to myself that you were cutting off your nose to spite your face.. I hope you and Mark can get back to business.

              Hey Mark, Lenny has been a hard working honest webmaster for years, you know this. Give him a break ;-)

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              • Jace
                FBOP Class Of 2013
                • Jan 2004
                • 35562

                #8
                i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there

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                • tony299
                  lurker
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 57021

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jace
                  i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there
                  yeppers.

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                  • eightmotives
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2007
                    • 811

                    #10
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                    • Dirty F
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 59204

                      #11
                      You apologize to DH? As nice as it is from you he really doesnt deserve it.

                      Remember how he tried to ruin an innocent guy's business? When he found out he was wrong he didnt say sorry. Instead he tried to fill his own pockets in that same thread?
                      He posted that shit all over the fucking place and till today there are several threads where DH attacked the guy with false info and never ever said sorry.

                      Whatever happened it cant be half as bad as what DH did to that guy. So dont feel bad and dont say sorry. That fucking faggot scamming punk doesnt deserve it.

                      DH's business is shady to start with. Its always on the edge of screwing people over but just in way that he cant be blamed. Know what i mean? And if one source dries up he finds something else shady to make money with. Its one fucked up guy. Mr internet mafia. Thinks he runs the internet. Hes a lunatic as well.

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                      • Mutt
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 34431

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jace
                        i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there
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                        • Bossman
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 1263

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jace
                          i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there
                          Yeah - the most depressing thing is reading their users comments. Someone uploading a teaser video (ex. 1-5 mins - cutting off when the hardcore sex begins), and he is thrown upon, while uploading entire 30 min scenes gives respect
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                          • BradM
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 3397

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dirty F
                            Hes a lunatic as well.
                            He's just BEYOND egotistical. He's so far up his own ass it's unreal.
                            Him and his woman are just nuts.

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                            • tranza
                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 57559

                              #15
                              Fuck! Why is Ch00pa banned here?????
                              I'm just a newbie.

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                              • tranza
                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 57559

                                #16
                                Is the word hahahahahaha banned here?
                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                • xNetworx
                                  So Fucking What
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 14445

                                  #17
                                  GTS and Drinking Fart can go suck a dick.

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                                  • Dirty F
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 59204

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BradM
                                    He's just BEYOND egotistical. He's so far up his own ass it's unreal.
                                    Him and his woman are just nuts.
                                    Yeah thats basically it. Youre right.

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                                    • BVF
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 13975

                                      #19

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                                      • stickyfingerz
                                        Doin fine
                                        • Oct 2005
                                        • 24984

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bossman
                                        Yeah - the most depressing thing is reading their users comments. Someone uploading a teaser video (ex. 1-5 mins - cutting off when the hardcore sex begins), and he is thrown upon, while uploading entire 30 min scenes gives respect
                                        Thats how it works, and that is why Ive been beating the "secure all your content" drum over the "go after anyone running tubes" drum. Secure Secure Secure. Slowly ween people off the "pay 25.00 and get to keep all the content we have forever" model.

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                                        • Jace
                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 35562

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                          Thats how it works, and that is why Ive been beating the "secure all your content" drum over the "go after anyone running tubes" drum. Secure Secure Secure. Slowly ween people off the "pay 25.00 and get to keep all the content we have forever" model.
                                          yup, I am launching 2 paysites in the next few weeks and both of them have flash embedded movies ONLY in the members area...fuck all that download everything shit

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                                          • nico-t
                                            emperor of my world
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 29903

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BVF
                                            quoted for truth

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                                            • stickyfingerz
                                              Doin fine
                                              • Oct 2005
                                              • 24984

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                              yup, I am launching 2 paysites in the next few weeks and both of them have flash embedded movies ONLY in the members area...fuck all that download everything shit
                                              A fuckin men. I dont understand why people want to hold on to the old model. Most everyone should know that the ONLY reason this model got started was due to NOT having the technology to stop them from keeping it forever.

                                              Let me know when you have the sites Jace Ill throw you up in the members area.

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                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                • Mar 2001
                                                • 13449

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?
                                                No, I don't like them, but I'm being realistic.

                                                If an illegal tube site deposits it's sponsor checks at Chase, do I then have to boycott the bank and cut up my credit cards?
                                                If they receive payment from GTS via epassporte do I have to boycott epass because they're "facilitating theft"?

                                                If they host at abc host do I have to boycott them as well? And then do I have to boycott their upstream providers and peers as well? Do I have to boycott Dell because they made the server and Cisco because they made the router that serves up the stolen content?

                                                I don't like illegal tube sites, (I really don't even like "legal" ones if they're giving away 30+ minute movies for free) but taking it out on DH wasn't the right thing for me to do.
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                                                • BradM
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                  • 3397

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                  If an illegal tube site deposits it's sponsor checks at Chase, do I then have to boycott the bank and cut up my credit cards?
                                                  If they receive payment from GTS via epassporte do I have to boycott epass because they're "facilitating theft"?

                                                  If they host at abc host do I have to boycott them as well? And then do I have to boycott their upstream providers and peers as well? Do I have to boycott Dell because they made the server and Cisco because they made the router that serves up the stolen content?
                                                  Short answer: Yes.

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                                                  • Martin
                                                    "Assassins"
                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                    • 17277

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BradM
                                                    Short answer: Yes.
                                                    Not that simple Brad.

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                                                    • Jace
                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 35562

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                      A fuckin men. I dont understand why people want to hold on to the old model. Most everyone should know that the ONLY reason this model got started was due to NOT having the technology to stop them from keeping it forever.

                                                      Let me know when you have the sites Jace Ill throw you up in the members area.
                                                      for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

                                                      yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction

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                                                      • notoldschool
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                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 5687

                                                        #28
                                                        This thread is gay.
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                                                        • BAKO
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                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                          • 18478

                                                          #29
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                                                          • tony299
                                                            lurker
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 57021

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Jace
                                                            for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

                                                            yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction
                                                            Why? because I like to be able to pay my mortgage. lol Please let us know how its goes, I hope Im wrong how I think it will go. You're one of the few I know I will get a honest answer from.

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                                                            • RyuLion
                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                              • 32367

                                                              #31
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                                                              • mrkris
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2005
                                                                • 2737

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by BradM
                                                                Supporting those who support content theft = Priceless.
                                                                This makes sense in some ways. What if I write a web app and someone uses it with stolen content, does that mean I'm supporting content theft?

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                                                                • baddog
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 107089

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                  I started a thread saying I was boycotting them and that everyone else should too
                                                                  I never realized you were so influential.

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                                                                  • Elli
                                                                    Reach for those stars!
                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                    • 17991

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                    for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

                                                                    yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction
                                                                    I'm looking into embedded for my own site, but am worried about my members rebelling.
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                                                                    • notoldschool
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                                      • 5687

                                                                      #35
                                                                      members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.
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                                                                      • ThumbLord

                                                                        #36
                                                                        traffic is the key word I think

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                                                                        • Jace
                                                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 35562

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                          Why? because I like to be able to pay my mortgage. lol Please let us know how its goes, I hope Im wrong how I think it will go. You're one of the few I know I will get a honest answer from.
                                                                          I know of 3 programs right now that switched from all download to all flash embedded. from what 2 of them say it didn't effect anything whatsoever...but you HAVE to do it right....you can't just have a single flash video, you NEED to give them options, all the way up to HD/high quality...the 3rd program owner hasn't responded as to how his switch went

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                                                                          • SomeCreep
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                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                            • 26118

                                                                            #38
                                                                            uhhhh, ok.

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                                                                            • stickyfingerz
                                                                              Doin fine
                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                              • 24984

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                                                              for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

                                                                              yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction
                                                                              We are doing RTMPE .mp4s encoded with h264 running off CaveCreek CDN fms. Instant playback, scrub anywhere in the video and watch it, dont have to download the full file, so this is a big savings in the long run. Members rarely watch a full video, they watch a bit of the beginning then scrub along towards the middle, then onto the cumshot etc. That means you only pay for what they view instead of the full file. Only way to grab my vids that I am doing this with is screen capturing.

                                                                              Faster delivery, lower bandwidth cost, and more secure. Yet people stick to .wmv downloads.

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                                                                              • stickyfingerz
                                                                                Doin fine
                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                • 24984

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.
                                                                                TubeStyle? You mean like www.hulu.com its kind of tube style.

                                                                                If streaming at HD sizes is tubestyle well ok then lets call it a tubestyle members area then. lol

                                                                                But hey Im sure that consumers that are becoming TOTALLY accustom to watching instant view high quality video for FREE, that Im sure they will love to download some .wmv files that their wife or kids might find huh?

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                                                                                • tony299
                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 57021

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                  I'm looking into embedded for my own site, but am worried about my members rebelling.
                                                                                  I remember disabling right click in 2000, so they couldnt save pics and lost a shit load of members and a shit load more were very pissed off. So we took it off.

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                                                                                  • tony299
                                                                                    lurker
                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 57021

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                    I know of 3 programs right now that switched from all download to all flash embedded. from what 2 of them say it didn't effect anything whatsoever...but you HAVE to do it right....you can't just have a single flash video, you NEED to give them options, all the way up to HD/high quality...the 3rd program owner hasn't responded as to how his switch went
                                                                                    When I hear your results you have from your sites you launch,that's what I will give weight to . I dont trust most.

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                                                                                    • qxm
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                                      • 5970

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                                                                      traffic is the key word I think
                                                                                      .... yeap, that might very well be..

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                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 57021

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.

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                                                                                        • Jace
                                                                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 35562

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                          also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.
                                                                                          there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

                                                                                          the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it

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                                                                                          • SomeCreep
                                                                                            :glugglug
                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 26118

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                            also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.
                                                                                            Chances are that Time Warner will not pursue their new metered bandwidth business model. Similar models have already been tried, tested, and failed. Customers hate it, end of story. All of this is simply further evidence that Time Warner is a poorly run company and has no idea what they're doing.

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                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 57021

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                              there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

                                                                                              the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it
                                                                                              i hope your right it would suck big time.

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                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                  • 107089

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                  there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

                                                                                                  the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it
                                                                                                  You don't think that if Time Warner is able to pull it off that the other carriers won't petition their respective PUC for a rate change? ie: metering b/w

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                                                                                                  • uno
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                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                                    • 18450

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                    members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.
                                                                                                    why not allow them either x amount of full video dl's per month or dl of videos at a cost for each? If you have the original content for it, it could be a very winning model.
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