ATTN: Scammers, Program Owners, & Affiliate Reps

**Kenny B!** · 05-28-2008, 10:36 AM

We had someone using the [email protected] account as well, this fucker had the nerve to use the personal information of one of our legit webmsaters to try and go unnoticed.

Good job Jake!

**Socks** · 05-28-2008, 10:39 AM

The party goat is officially amused

**Jake** · 05-28-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Kenny B!

We had someone using the [email protected] account as well, this fucker had the nerve to use the personal information of one of our legit webmsaters to try and go unnoticed.

Good job Jake!

Yup, did the same thing with us. One more reason why anyone with a website should use some sort of "privacy service" on their whois info.

**SiMpLe** · 05-28-2008, 11:12 AM

Thanks for the post Jake

**Jake** · 05-28-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by SiMpLe

Thanks for the post Jake

Anytime!

**u-Bob** · 05-28-2008, 11:46 AM

thnx, here's a bump.

**CIVMatt** · 05-28-2008, 11:48 AM

Here's a bump

**Anthony** · 05-28-2008, 11:49 AM

I've been playing with the idea of setting up a "cheater's database" that is member's only, program owners, admins, etc.

Cheaters go from program to program doing the same thing over and over again, knowing we don't always talk to each other.

**Ditosta** · 05-28-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Anthony

I've been playing with the idea of setting up a "cheater's database" that is member's only, program owners, admins, etc.

Cheaters go from program to program doing the same thing over and over again, knowing we don't always talk to each other.

Anthony I know that mediumpimpin has one already set up which I am a part of, and It has already helped us terminate fraud accounts,

I think more program owners should join in

You would need to hit up

**fris** · 05-28-2008, 01:05 PM

bump for jake and allie and naughtybank, they rock

**flashfire** · 05-28-2008, 01:09 PM

woot! lets get all the scammers names out

**Anthony** · 05-28-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Ditosta

Anthony I know that mediumpimpin has one already set up which I am a part of, and It has already helped us terminate fraud accounts,

I think more program owners should join in

You would need to hit up

I remember Natjeks saying that but nothing since that post.

I'll hit them up. CHeers!

**babedump** · 05-28-2008, 01:29 PM

Bump for naugthybank with this one!

**D Ghost** · 05-28-2008, 01:31 PM

thanks for heads up!

**Jake** · 05-28-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by babedump

Bump for naugthybank with this one!

**Furious_Male** · 05-28-2008, 02:38 PM

The edgecash epass ID isnt exactly new. We caught him on 2.11.08. He wanted a switch from the morecash to edgecash accounts. This guy has an interesting racket going.

**GrouchyAdmin** · 05-28-2008, 03:00 PM

Thanks for the heads' up, Jake.

NATS folks, here's how to find 'em:

Code:

SELECT a.username, a.loginid FROM accounts_pv_epp e, accounts a WHERE a.loginid=e.loginid AND e.pv_epp ='epass_name_here';

**Jake** · 05-28-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

The edgecash epass ID isnt exactly new. We caught him on 2.11.08. He wanted a switch from the morecash to edgecash accounts. This guy has an interesting racket going.

Did you take the time to report him to ePassporte so they could deal with his account(s)?

**Furious_Male** · 05-28-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Jake

Did you take the time to report him to ePassporte so they could deal with his account(s)?

I tried that route several months ago. I was just given the status of the accounts and that was it.

I don't have time each week to go in circles with epassporte trying to prove my case with every epassporte account tied to a scammer.

If they are taking these matters seriously now feel free to email your epassporte contact and I will certainly send them over each week.

**papill0n** · 05-28-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Anthony

I remember Natjeks saying that but nothing since that post.

I'll hit them up. CHeers!

Natjeks has indeed set it up and can I just say it is a great way to share scammer info between programs.

Reps and programs owners hit him up to participate. You will find him over at MP.

**lesbodojo** · 05-28-2008, 05:45 PM

Thanks for the info, Jake.

**Thurbs** · 05-28-2008, 05:58 PM

I know that not everyone is a NATS user, would be interesting to see what it would cost to have someone setup a two step program for cheaters database.

Would be cool to see a members only submission system, where you submit payout info, like epassporte account only and reason.

Then a reporting system that would simply show you the submissions per day and possibly per program drop a list of accounts so you could either easily get to the overview and ban button of the accounts that match.

Other reporting plugins could be setup for MAS / ES, would be great.

whats amazing is, alot of the frauders either really believe they've done no wrong, and come back with new accounts and keep trying.

**GetSCORECash** · 05-28-2008, 06:32 PM

bump and keep us posted.

The days of it's only the PPS programs who have to deal with these problems are over.

**JFK** · 05-28-2008, 06:36 PM

here's another bump

**Jake** · 05-28-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Thurbs - NichedSites

.....whats amazing is, alot of the frauders either really believe they've done no wrong, and come back with new accounts and keep trying.

Yeah, it's truly amazing!

**DBS.US** · 05-28-2008, 06:51 PM

Bump for a SBL (Scammers Black List)

**MissMina** · 05-28-2008, 06:51 PM

Bump......

**Bama** · 05-28-2008, 07:03 PM

I asked about having a plug-in for MAS and NATS that allowed program owners could identify frauders and alert other program owners but was met with some skepticism regarding program owner abuse - but I'm all for it!

Finding cheaters by visiting the boards to see if anyone who has found one posts about it isn't an effective way of dealing with them.

**Corleone** · 05-28-2008, 07:19 PM

bump..

thanks jake

**Barefootsies** · 05-28-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Socks

The party goat is officially amused

**C H R I S** · 05-28-2008, 09:08 PM

Miss you Jake - bump for Naughty Bank crew

**Jake** · 05-29-2008, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Miss you Jake - bump for Naughty Bank crew

Hey Chris and thans for the bump!

**Kevin Cunningham** · 05-29-2008, 05:51 AM

Thanks for sharing Jake.

**u-Bob** · 05-29-2008, 05:53 AM

here's another bump.

**spazlabz** · 05-29-2008, 06:04 AM

Thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye out for this individual.

spaz

**PorniSteph** · 05-29-2008, 06:35 AM

Nice action Jake, thx for the heads up! you can never be too careful with those shitty scammers!

**Phil** · 05-29-2008, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Jake

Yup, did the same thing with us. One more reason why anyone with a website should use some sort of "privacy service" on their whois info.

So, why would you post “personal information” if you’re not sure if it belongs to scammer or just its someone’s whois info and that person is legitimate affiliate or some joe blow from Hickville ? Basically, you’re going to set someone up with “scammer” tag for free..

**tranza** · 05-29-2008, 07:33 AM

...

Originally posted by Socks

The party goat is officially amused

Hahahaha nice pic!

**Jake** · 05-29-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by CAMOKAT

So, why would you post ?personal information? if you?re not sure if it belongs to scammer or just its someone?s whois info and that person is legitimate affiliate or some joe blow from Hickville ? Basically, you?re going to set someone up with ?scammer? tag for free..

I'll have to assume you're not a program owner, affiliate rep, or anyone involved in fraud prevention. If I publicly post anyone's personal info I've taken adequate measures to ensure the info is not that of a legitimate webmaster. I'm certainly not going to risk my reputation by labeling any legitimate webmaster as being a "scammer".

Obviously I'm not going to reveal what steps we take to verify the information as that would give the fraudsters a step-by-step guide to avoiding detection. Suffice it to say that we?ve been in this business for over 7 years and I?ve never once ?set someone up with scammer tag for free?.

OY · 05-29-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Bama

I asked about having a plug-in for MAS and NATS that allowed program owners could identify frauders and alert other program owners but was met with some skepticism regarding program owner abuse - but I'm all for it!

Finding cheaters by visiting the boards to see if anyone who has found one posts about it isn't an effective way of dealing with them.

Bama, I take it you meant MPA3 and not MAS - I can tell you that we are working on some new features that will make it extremely hard for affiliate fraud. Should be out soon.

**Honez** · 05-29-2008, 08:37 AM

Thanks for the info Jake

**mailman** · 05-29-2008, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Ditosta

Anthony I know that mediumpimpin has one already set up which I am a part of, and It has already helped us terminate fraud accounts,

I think more program owners should join in

You would need to hit up

Indeed we have and its helped knock out a few affiliates since being set up.

If anyone is a program owner or rep who would like to have access please feel free to email any of us

**Phil** · 05-29-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Jake

I'll have to assume you're not a program owner, affiliate rep, or anyone involved in fraud prevention. If I publicly post anyone's personal info I've taken adequate measures to ensure the info is not that of a legitimate webmaster. I'm certainly not going to risk my reputation by labeling any legitimate webmaster as being a "scammer".

Obviously I'm not going to reveal what steps we take to verify the information as that would give the fraudsters a step-by-step guide to avoiding detection. Suffice it to say that we’ve been in this business for over 7 years and I’ve never once “set someone up with scammer tag for free”.

Your assumption is wrong. I too get his with fraud quite a lot, especially from Vietnam and former soviet union, but I don’t think those guys are stupid enough to use their real information..

**Jake** · 05-29-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by CAMOKAT

Your assumption is wrong. I too get his with fraud quite a lot, especially from Vietnam and former soviet union, but I don?t think those guys are stupid enough to use their real information..

That being the case then I'm sure you are able to recognize certain elements of the information as being illegitimate (again, not going to specify what exactly "flags" the affiliate info). From that point it's a simple matter of contacting the legit owner of the domain and asking if they signed-up for the account. If the answer is "no" then you obviously have a fraudulent webmaster on your hands. It's really quite simple and there's no risk of labeling a legitmate webmaster as a "scammer".

**Bama** · 05-30-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Oystein

Bama, I take it you meant MPA3 and not MAS

That's what I meant to say - sorry for any confusion!

ATTN: Scammers, Program Owners, & Affiliate Reps

ATTN: Scammers, Program Owners, & Affiliate Reps

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