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I totally agree with you man!

Why are you so defensive?

Optimism and positiveness are part of the American character.

It is one of America's main strengths. Self belief.

What is unfortunate is that sometimes with it comes delusion.

The U.S. government would never be manipulated by the executive branch. NEVER! I couldn't imagine a particular President starting a "fake" war based on lies and cherry picked misinformation simply to enrich - BIG OIL, DEFENSE CONTRACTORS and THEMSELVES. NO WAY! Oil prices and "defense" spending just happened to go up with this very important war on terror being fought in Iraq? Terror? What the . . . oh shit, wait a minute . . . $4.00 a gallon and rising? Big oil's record breaking profits? 100's of BILLIONS of dollars spent on this war in Iraq (where no terrorists were before the invasion)? Where is Osama? I'm starting to think we've been lied to. Still not sure.

Yes, in particular... because that's the most well known as the world over gets their news and can blatantly see the lies.
But the question is asked in general of "most people".

You simply choose to focus on the part of the sentence that riles you the most.

Is seems like that the GFY socialists have no problem entrusting healthcare to the goverment, even when the government has done a great job bankrupting medicare/medicaid and social security.

American's don't believe what the Government tells them they believe what the MEDIA tells them and since the MEDIA works with the government.... yah..

Most americans do believe and trust their government and the media. They also believe that when we go to war we are fighting for "freedom" when the real reasons couldn't be further from the truth.

Then the same people are VERY quick to defend the country and say stupid things about how they are the greatest country on earth, when in fact a large majority of those same people have never left the country.

It is an odd country full of strange people. I'm glad I'm outta there.

I am an American and I think it's safe to generalize on this one. While it seems many GFYers do not feel the same way, a very large portion, if not the majority of the country does. That is just the way the system works.

Be thankful you think outside the box. Not a lot of you out there.

When the President was re-elected he won the popular vote...the electoral college worked the way that it was supposed to and there were not issues with a recount. In the first election the electoral vote also worked the way it was supposed to but he did not win the popular vote.

Most governments, and especially the American system, are just a conglomeration of competing interest groups. What benefits one group does not necessarily benefit the other. I have no faith in anything any government official says, but anyone who understands government bureaucracy knows that by nature big bureaucracies are slow moving, risk averse and generally make a mess of almost everything they are involved in. Bureaucracies and bureaucrats generally are primarily interested in expanding their budgets and keeping the bureaucrats employed. Because of this they generally seek stability.

That is why people with a decent sense of how the government works (or does not work) understand how unlikely it is that a large bureaucracy is capable of complex and risky conspiracies requiring participation and silence by hundreds or thousands of people.

Furthermore it is unlikely for one interest group (say oil companies or defense contractors) to be so powerful that their interests override the interests of competing interest groups (such as the airlines and the shipping industries which are equally large and powerful and who have been severly hurt by the increase in oil prices).

Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence. :2 cents:

"Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence."

Sums it up pretty well.

We should also get rid of the military, schools, police forces, fire departments, and roads that are produced by socialists. It's amazing how some people will point to one thing (healthcare) as socialism but don't bother to point out the other 10,000 things are government does that is socialist.

the truth is always predictable. In your world it may change. In mine it doesn't. :1orglaugh

Wow, you call yourself the truth now?
It's amazing you fit through doors with a head that big :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Stop watching government regulated tv channels like FOX or CNN ... seems like you have internet, do some research.
Only reason why they were against it was because they knew they didn't have any weapons of MD and so far... they are right!

watch this on hbo
www.hackingdemocracy.com

arrogance comes with accomplishments.

you have neither and therefore can't understand either. :1orglaugh

bush stole both of those elections, but it doesn't matter.. gore would of taxed carbon, kerry is just a douche bag too.

it doesn't matter, these fuckers are talking heads.. puppets.. theres a bigger picture out there, how about that south american union formed this past friday out of fucking nowhere. i NEVER heard a single thing about that. NAU is next, globalism is on the way!

i think people know, they are just brainwashed and scared.. too scared to want to believe that we're straight fucked. thousand years of darkness to come

make sure to get your rifles before 2009, theres gunna be another ban

bingo!


and Bingo again! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

uh huh, thanks for contributing to the discussion. :1orglaugh
Good to know you'll never change.

right back at you, sig whore. :thumbsup

Just curious, do you even know what a sig whore is?

a troll who's known for nothing other than posting on boards in an attempt to be seen and have his sig seen.

stuart, you're known for absolutely nothing in this business and if you left tomorrow, no one's business would notice.
:thumbsup

And here I thought you were talking about truth. And yet, you keep proving yourself wrong. You shouldn't do both in the same thread, it's embarrassing.

stuart, poor boy, if there's some accomplishment we've somehow missed, please, child, fill us in.

this would be such a big moment for you, finally proving me wrong!
I'm sure you'll take me up on it.:1orglaugh

I'm in my 30's so to be a child compared to you would make you... what? 60?
It is amusing however how you are unable to stay on topic about anything, would lend more truth to the old timer's theory.

In any event, since you can't follow along... you were discussing me being a sigwhore, then proved yourself wrong, since I do not post to get myself nor my sig seen. But then, you know everything about me and how I stopped posting for over 3 months.

By the way, is this one of your accomplishments? :1orglaugh

http://www.shavebucks.com/12clickscash.gif

Ready to get back to discussing people's trust in governments or is your inability to keep your attention in one place for 5 minutes still affecting your lack of judgment?

I agree that Americans will swallow anything their government tells them, but isn't it that way with most countries anyway?

Sadly yes. I think it's just more pronounced in the US because of how much media attention it gets around the world.

so then just to be clear, we haven't missed any of your accomplishments.
funny how I'm never wrong about sig whores.
:thumbsup

Hmm... thread is bumped but I see no new post.
I can only imagine who could possibly have posted with a hard on for me still :1orglaugh

poor little stuart! talked himself into another hole he can't dig himself out of.
:1orglaugh

Tell me about it I feel the same way.

i think the real question is not why do so many people trust their govt, since u cant really tell what people are thinking, you can only go by their actions, why do so many people do nothing when their govt does something they dont like. and the answer is simple IMO: americans are by and large happy with their life. ie, i may not like the way the govt is heading, but really im in a good place so why would i go and ruin it...
theres no real hardship to actually have the need to do something. for the most part if you have a decent head on ur shoulders u can buy food, shelter, clothing, a car and luxuries like a nice flatscreen tv etc..

Are you that daft...