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Matt 26z 05-20-2008 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SayWhut (Post 14213695)
Windows is for n00bs.
It's funny you say that, because when I use a Mac I feel like my hands are tied.

gleem 05-20-2008 08:59 PM
here's what it comes down to people.

How much is your time worth?

Apple = 0 down time this year, 0 maintenance
PC = many many hours wasted loading programs to keep it working properly and reinstalling OS's, fucking with drivers, and countless other shit. And I am plenty experienced in both PC and mac.

sure my PC cost $1k less than my mac, but if I tack on what an hour of my time is worth to the cost of the PC, I could have bought a new car with the money I could have made in those hours over the last few years of it's life.

Of course I think you need both to get all the things you need done done.

I HOPE YOU PC PEOPLE STAY TO PC'S, cause yes, the bigger market share mac's get the sooner we'll get your hackers writing viruses. If they ever breach the 25&#37; share mark, mac users are gonna get assfucked!

gleem 05-20-2008 09:03 PM
This is a good story from that fortune article posted in the comments, a typical PC bullshit problem I end up in about once a week.:


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I work all day on a PC doing cad work in Rhino and on a mac doing graphics work making the catalog to sell what i make in Rhino. To day (for example) i had to print a manual in pdf form from the pc. to do that i had to go to HP and load the drivers a295 meg download. The first time i accidentally downloaded the 64 bit version which crashed my pc and required 3 restarts to clear. by the time i was done and printing 3 hours had slipped by to load the same printer on my mac i plug it in and it recognizes it picks a driver and starts to print 5 minutes later im done.


i put a ?premium? on my time and there is no savings with a 600 dollar win-tel box that does not get quickly eaten up in wasted time and i dare any win-tel user to tell me I?m wrong and they never spent the better part of a day installing some stupid hardware or new software.macs make you more productive because they just work?the value of that?Priceless?

NETbilling 05-20-2008 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14213782)
Umm ya cause Mac sells a 300.00 computer for 1000.00 and you mac guys but it up like strawberry icecream on a hot summer day duh.. Mac market share is under 15% tops.

Now riddle me this. A company that has been in business since well before Microsoft was doesn't even have 20% of the market. :uhoh
Less people own Ferrari than Toyota. Does that make Toyata better?

I will drive the Ferrari any day.

brandonstills 05-20-2008 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14214419)
As much as Macheads hate MS the one person most responsible for MS's "monopoly" is Steve Jobs.

Back in the 80s Steve thought his OS was better. maybe it was maybe not not important. The thing is he COULD have made his OS available to ALL computer companies like MS did. he though that since his OS was better, by keeping it exclusive to Apple he'd sell more Apple's because people though that more highly of his OS. You'd think after 25 years later he'd learned that this is not the case. Had he really been smart not only would his OS be a MUCH higher % of the market MS might not even be around or perhaps it may have led to MS not being so complacent and build a better product. If Jobs is REALLY concerned about consumers having the BEST products he wouldn't make them so proprietary.

As an aside IBM was also as stupid as Jobs as they hired Gates to write the OS for IBM computers. They thought everyone would buy IBMs no matter what because of the name and the OS didn't really matter so they let Gates have the rights to the OS to sell to whomever he wanted. They failed to realize if companies A, B and C computers had the same OS as an IBM and they were cheaper, people would start buying computers from companies A, B and C instead of IBM.
They are repeating the exact same mistake with the iPhone. Sure the SDK is open but it doesn't mean shit because you can't actually put it on your own phone without their permission and you can only sell through them and they get to say if you can sell it.

brandonstills 05-20-2008 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by farkedup (Post 14214429)
Not only the whole $300 computer being sold for $1k idea but how about this one... Most of us PC users who want computers that would cost above $1k simply build them ourselves!

Mac users tend to not be so "technical" while they're high in image and graphic related skills. Most of these same people also have the disposable income to not bother building and tuning their computers. that said... I don't see a point in putting much over $600 into hardware.

$200 for E8400 or Q6600
$200 just bought me 2*640Gb WD drives which will be RAID
$50 Power supply
$100 just bought me 4Gb RAM
$50 video card (lower end Radeon HD card since I don't play games)
$90 Gigabyte board
lets alot $20 for a DVD drive and $30 for a case

like $740 and I have a badass computer. Stack on a $300 monitor and I have a computer thats GREAT at all things but gaming. Up that $50 video card to $150 or more and you can play plenty of games. Not to mention plenty of nice monitors around $200.

Unless you're crazy I don't even see how its possible to spend much over $1k on a COMPLETE system. Obviously going dual monitor or massive monitors you can spend $600 or more on monitors alone...
Macs suck for graphics. Photography work especially. I've used both and I use Mac all the time except to play games in Windows so if I say Mac sucks for graphics I think I know what I'm talking about.

That being said hackers and developers are moving to the Mac platform in droves.

brandonstills 05-20-2008 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 14214486)
MAC sells a lot to schools. They are dummy proof.
Dummy proof = not usable by experts

stickyfingerz 05-20-2008 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMind (Post 14214507)
Walk into a school lately?
I have, and all you see is imacs ;)

Apple also just won a huge educational bid in the states and will be in even more schools than they are now, and how many universities and colleges are handing out Apple laptops to students?
Look into it and you'll see where I'm going,
The next generation will not be windows dominated, I like windows and see it's value, but it will not be the majority as it is now for long.
Nicely done with that quote btw, except that ISN'T what I said is it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyFingerz
Well you know its obviously cause most people dont "get" the mac ideal. They are only sold to the smartest people and THAT is why the market share is small. Only stupid people buy anything but a proprietary cant find software cant find games Mac.. FEEL THE APPLE!! WOOT!! Apple elite yo!

Do you have to lie? Can you comprehend what I wrote yet?

WarChild 05-20-2008 11:09 PM
Here's what matters to me. I just picked one of my domains at random for this month.

Windows 23828124 91.1 &#37;
Macintosh 1344867 5.1 %
Unknown 791332 3 %

SayWhut 05-20-2008 11:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14214675)
It's funny you say that, because when I use a Mac I feel like my hands are tied.

You may have problems with your limp wrist.

I was speaking in terms of productivity .... what an OS is intended for.

But on the real, even Linux kicks the shit out of Windows. Ever tried installing Ubuntu? That thing works like a dream.

sicone 05-20-2008 11:18 PM
macs scare me, but I know I need to learn to use the system

borked 05-21-2008 12:11 AM
very funny thread!

Just use what frikken OS pleases you and that you are productive on.

Matt_WildCash 05-21-2008 02:27 AM
MAC HAS 8% market share, it is progected to hit 9% in 2009 & 10% in 2010. Direct from businessweek.com a couple of weeks ago.

I'm a PC fanboy, I don't hate macs they are sexy as hell but you won't ever get me buying one.

flashfire 05-21-2008 02:32 AM
obviously because macs are overpriced

Tuga 05-21-2008 02:41 AM
So many idiot Mac haters in this thread....

DamianJ 05-21-2008 03:04 AM
I love the constant 'Macs are over priced' arguement.

You guys know this isn't 1995 right?

So read up, and shhh.

http://www.pcmech.com/article/is-the-mac-overpriced/

Dvae 05-21-2008 03:11 AM
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...er_macbook.jpg

spanky part 2 05-21-2008 07:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandonstills (Post 14214835)
Macs suck for graphics. Photography work especially. I've used both and I use Mac all the time except to play games in Windows so if I say Mac sucks for graphics I think I know what I'm talking about.

That being said hackers and developers are moving to the Mac platform in droves.
Macs suck, that's why 99.9% of every ad agency on the planet use macs as well as every single real professional photographer.

NETbilling 05-21-2008 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dvae (Post 14215719)
That is awesome

Mitch

candyflip 05-21-2008 07:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14216421)
That is awesome

Mitch
Considering they own a nice stake in Apple, it's pretty understandable and not all that far fetched.

DamianJ 05-21-2008 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14216421)
That is awesome

Mitch
That is, sadly, not true.

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/30/steve...presentations/

It wasn't running his presentation.

Nice to meet you in NYC though. :)

jakethedog 05-21-2008 08:07 AM
The turning point for me was last fall .. when my sons school told us they would be having the kids use ..take home and call their own for the year .. their very own "Laptops" ... well you can imagine my immediate reaction .. I was like wtf .. your going to allow my son .. yes MY SON to carry around all day in his backpack .. to and from school through the day and hell even over the week end, a laptop that I would inevitably be responsible for ..
Well it turns out it was a MacBook ..a little 14" i think .. with a backpack that had a little compartment for th laptop to slide into ..
I end up having to some meeting at the school to "learn" about the laptop he is bringing home and is responsible for .. I then find out this little laptop .. is not brand new.. in fact it had been in some other kids back pack for last year .. and another kid .. the year before .. I was like ... uh wtf ...
Now .. I challenge all PC users to tell me they would feel comfortable putting their laptop in to an 11 year olds back pack for 3 years to go back and forth to school home .. home totally un-supervised for years .. let alone that walk to the family vehicle ..
I was sold instantly .. and have been VERY happy ever since ..

stickyfingerz 05-21-2008 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jakethedog (Post 14216549)
The turning point for me was last fall .. when my sons school told us they would be having the kids use ..take home and call their own for the year .. their very own "Laptops" ... well you can imagine my immediate reaction .. I was like wtf .. your going to allow my son .. yes MY SON to carry around all day in his backpack .. to and from school through the day and hell even over the week end, a laptop that I would inevitably be responsible for ..
Well it turns out it was a MacBook ..a little 14" i think .. with a backpack that had a little compartment for th laptop to slide into ..
I end up having to some meeting at the school to "learn" about the laptop he is bringing home and is responsible for .. I then find out this little laptop .. is not brand new.. in fact it had been in some other kids back pack for last year .. and another kid .. the year before .. I was like ... uh wtf ...
Now .. I challenge all PC users to tell me they would feel comfortable putting their laptop in to an 11 year olds back pack for 3 years to go back and forth to school home .. home totally un-supervised for years .. let alone that walk to the family vehicle ..
I was sold instantly .. and have been VERY happy ever since ..
Hmm Ive got a inspiron 8200 that I think is 7 years old, maybe 6 that has been all over the world many times over, been dropped off my desk about 20 times, got various types of drinks spilled all over it, been sat on, had my kids banging on it, used for hard gaming, years upon years of HEAVY HEAVY use, and is still kicking. The only reason I replaced it this year for a tosiba Quismo was because of the weight of the thing, and because the video card wouldnt handle Vista. You can't really say, switch to mac cause they are durable. There are several brands of laptop made for construction sites and for inclimate locations. I think Id go with them for the durability stuff hehe.

jakethedog 05-21-2008 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14216638)
Hmm Ive got a inspiron 8200 that I think is 7 years old, maybe 6 that has been all over the world many times over, been dropped off my desk about 20 times, got various types of drinks spilled all over it, been sat on, had my kids banging on it, used for hard gaming, years upon years of HEAVY HEAVY use, and is still kicking. The only reason I replaced it this year for a tosiba Quismo was because of the weight of the thing, and because the video card wouldnt handle Vista. You can't really say, switch to mac cause they are durable. There are several brands of laptop made for construction sites and for inclimate locations. I think Id go with them for the durability stuff hehe.
haha.. how'd I know you would chime in .. this isn't a panasonic toughbook ..or some other model designed for the military or police .. it is their base model laptop .. not even being marketed as durable .. and I am sure your lappy albeit ancient was probably tough..might have even had a few hd's and reinstalls of the OS to keep it running all those awesome years .. .... .. your missing the point of what I was saying just to justify your cause .. and I could care less... I was just sharing why I switched and that I was happy ..

Brujah 05-21-2008 08:33 AM
I was a PC user for 20+ years. I like the command line. I loved learning system administration on *nix systems. I prefer OS X for so many reasons.

'So Fucking Money 05-21-2008 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14214105)
Then hackers will making Apple viruses en masse and everyone will see the "Apple's can't get viruses" myth get utterly destroyed. And will laugh laugh luagh

There's antivirus programs for mac so obviously they can.

V_RocKs 05-21-2008 11:50 AM
That is a blog on CNN... Not a news source...

MAC market share is 7%

iMind 05-30-2008 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14214553)
Most require laptops, very few hand them out. The student has to buy it himself. In 5 years when my son goes off to college I will get him a laptop it will NOT be a Mac.
just found this picture that was perfect for this thread.
You gonna make your kid the loser gator?:1orglaugh
http://www.journaldumac.com/images/-2008/02/acer.jpg
That's not an apple campus or anything either.

broke 05-30-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iMind (Post 14259016)
just found this picture that was perfect for this thread.
You gonna make your kid the loser gator?:1orglaugh
http://www.journaldumac.com/images/-2008/02/acer.jpg
That's not an apple campus or anything either.
Is there such a thing as a MIZZOU winner?

Funny that you place so much status on laptop type. I bet the "loser" is pulling more wool than all the fanboys - "different" sells on college campuses.

:)

GatorB 05-31-2008 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMind (Post 14259016)
just found this picture that was perfect for this thread.
You gonna make your kid the loser gator?:1orglaugh
http://www.journaldumac.com/images/-2008/02/acer.jpg
That's not an apple campus or anything either.

Loser? Because he's not part of some cult or something?

yeah these guys were not losers were they?
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Nurnberg/Nurnberg27.jpg

GatorB 05-31-2008 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'So Fucking Money (Post 14217295)
There's antivirus programs for mac so obviously they can.
I read many posts on al kind of boards where most Mac fan boys don't bother to use AV beause they say Macs can't get viruses.

GatorB 05-31-2008 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 14215672)
I love the constant 'Macs are over priced' arguement.

You guys know this isn't 1995 right?

So read up, and shhh.

http://www.pcmech.com/article/is-the-mac-overpriced/
from that article

"Mac Mini

The retail price for the Mac Mini is $599. For this, you get a tiny computer with a 1.83 GHz Core 2 Duo, 1 GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950 graphics processor, yada yada. If you want 2 GB of RAM, the price goes up to $799 (which also comes with a larger hard drive). Now, that is certainly pricey and you can get yourself a better equipped PC tower for about the same amount of money."

jeffrey 05-31-2008 01:21 AM
Even if the stat that Mac has 66% of the over $1000 dollar PC market is true that still means they hold 0% of the under $1000 market.


Quote:
Originally Posted by gleem (Post 14214717)
Apple = 0 down time this year, 0 maintenance
PC = many many hours wasted loading programs to keep it working properly and reinstalling OS's, fucking with drivers, and countless other shit. And I am plenty experienced in both PC and mac.
Stop being a fuckhead on your PC then.
I have spent a total of 0 hours over initial install my programs and stuff that I use since Vista became available. Hell I dont even know if I had to find any drivers on my own, I am pretty sure Vista got everything for me.
I have had no crashes, and no slowdowns.

I have spent 30+ hours in the last year getting wireless networks, printers, cameras and even an ipod to work properly on a Mac for friends.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 14214761)
Less people own Ferrari than Toyota. Does that make Toyata better?

I will drive the Ferrari any day.
I will put money, lots of money, on the fact that the Ferrari will be in the shop for more hours then the Toyota despite the Toyota getting twice as many miles put on it as the Ferrari. So your analogy makes no sense.


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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14215020)
Here's what matters to me. I just picked one of my domains at random for this month.

Windows 23828124 91.1 %
Macintosh 1344867 5.1 %
Unknown 791332 3 %
I was just going to post some very similar stats, mine are all within .2% of yours when I look on my adult domains.
My mainstream sites, mac has under ~3% and other has about 6% and windows the other 91%.






I have said it before and I will say it again. If Mac cut their prices by 50% tomorrow they would have the majority market share in ~18 months, give or take a handful.

jeffrey 05-31-2008 01:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMind (Post 14259016)
just found this picture that was perfect for this thread.
You gonna make your kid the loser gator?:1orglaugh
http://www.journaldumac.com/images/-2008/02/acer.jpg
That's not an apple campus or anything either.
Now you make the statement "Thats not an apple campus or anything either" but how do you know? were you in the class? did you take the picture?
From the commentary no one knows where the photo was taken.

So how do you know it wasn't a "So you bought a Mac, Now what" class? and the acer is the TA taking notes for the prof?

So please enlighten me as to how you know for certain it was just a "normal" class.
The University and college I have been to here is dominated by Dell's, probably close to 10:1 to Mac.

After Shock Media 05-31-2008 01:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMind (Post 14259016)
1 row down, 4th laptop (blond bitting finger)
Left hand side, approx 4 rows up. Behind Asian, near bare leg hanging out in isle. (looking away from isle)
Same row 5 over blue shirt, also chick behind her.

And I am sure there is more but great picture for dramatic effect.

diesel 05-31-2008 03:51 AM
Apple has improved dramatically since IPOD release. My MacBook Air is absolutely astonishing, and latest Aperture and Final Cut is a must for photo/video editing.
Since my switch to Mac I work many times faster and safer.
I would pay much higher price for Macs if you take it all from our offices. :)

DamianJ 05-31-2008 03:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14259612)
from that article

"Mac Mini

The retail price for the Mac Mini is $599. For this, you get a tiny computer with a 1.83 GHz Core 2 Duo, 1 GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950 graphics processor, yada yada. If you want 2 GB of RAM, the price goes up to $799 (which also comes with a larger hard drive). Now, that is certainly pricey and you can get yourself a better equipped PC tower for about the same amount of money."
Well done. You picked the one thing out of their range that comes in at about the same. And of course you can pick up a ugly large noisy beige tower PC for less than an elegantly designed, tiny, silent, mac mini.

Dur.

potter 05-31-2008 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky part 2 (Post 14214588)
Eventually you are gonna be able to run OS X on any computer, just watch.
I'm posting this from a PC running OSX Leopard. But I'd give it about 1-3 years until Apple actually comes out with a "real" version of OSX for a PC.

iseeyou 05-31-2008 05:25 AM
Microsoft is begging Mac to take marketshare from them because of Vista. I am a die-hard Win XP fan. I have not owned a Mac since the 80's.

I will never buy another Mac ... until the day I am forced to buy Vista ... and that will be the day I buy another Mac.

Microsoft needs to have an emergency meeting about Vista. they should create a barebones version of vista for old school windows/dos fans who prefer performance over functionality.

DomP_nl 05-31-2008 05:54 AM
Please stick with your windows boxes... Mac's are ugly as fuck, just for geeks and wayyyy over priced


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