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Old 05-20-2008, 08:24 PM   #1
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Go live in a foreign country and vote for Obama ya fuckin nig lovers! GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA WITH YOUR GOD DAMN hahahahahaha FOR PRESIDENT BULLSHIT! Go ahead and destory what our ancestors fought for you pieces of shit. Seeya
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:36 PM   #2
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Go live in a foreign country and vote for Obama ya fuckin nig lovers! GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA WITH YOUR GOD DAMN hahahahahaha FOR PRESIDENT BULLSHIT! Go ahead and destory what our ancestors fought for you pieces of shit. Seeya
You should move to Germany and join a Nazi clan. Why don't you leave and let the intelligent people run this country.
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Go live in a foreign country and vote for Obama ya fuckin nig lovers! GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA WITH YOUR GOD DAMN hahahahahaha FOR PRESIDENT BULLSHIT! Go ahead and destory what our ancestors fought for you pieces of shit. Seeya
what a fucking moron, I 'd love for you to say shit like that in public, typical keyboard bitch
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you know unfortunately there is no good candidate to run this country.. i wish i could back a candidate, but shit is not that bad right now.. id rather keep things how they are with a crooked republican administration in charge then risk the future of this country on an unknown candidate, agenda and direction.

we do not need a socialist country where the government takes the money of hard working responsible working americans to reward failure and irresponsibility.

we do not need a country where morals and values are thrown out the window and we are held hostage by special interest groups who are pushing their own agendas.
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you know unfortunately there is no good candidate to run this country.. i wish i could back a candidate, but shit is not that bad right now.. id rather keep things how they are with a crooked republican administration in charge then risk the future of this country on an unknown candidate, agenda and direction.

we do not need a socialist country where the government takes the money of hard working responsible working americans to reward failure and irresponsibility.

we do not need a country where morals and values are thrown out the window and we are held hostage by special interest groups who are pushing their own agendas.
You like this fascist state we are in now? So lets see about your morals. It's not ok to have and abortion, but it's ok to kill kids in Iraq with our bombs. Remember this, not one of the terrorists on 9-11 came from Iraq. The majority came from Saudi Arabia.

Corporations are running this country now, and how is that working out for you. You like the gas prices and the price of food?

Your argument just shows what a fucking fool you are.
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You like this fascist state we are in now? So lets see about your morals. It's not ok to have and abortion, but it's ok to kill kids in Iraq with our bombs. Remember this, not one of the terrorists on 9-11 came from Iraq. The majority came from Saudi Arabia.

Corporations are running this country now, and how is that working out for you. You like the gas prices and the price of food?

Your argument just shows what a fucking fool you are.
well my friend your response has cleared up your position.

first point.. we are not in a fascist state, 9-11 wasnt a conspiracy and wasnt planned by George Bush.

second.. i believe in abortions, i believe in quicker executions and executions for less serious offenses to rid this country of degenerates of society which serve no purpose but to commit crimes and waste government and tax payer resources.

third.. the purpose of what we are doing in Iraq is not known to me or to you. You might think that the government thinks all american citizens are equal, but in fact the majority of americans are idiots, so they herd the sheep. just like you. my guess is that we are using iraq as a strategic military position, whether political, military, financial or all 3. if you think we are there to liberate the iraqi people, you are an idiot.

fourth.. corporations and special intrests do run the country.. and yes i own my own corporation so yes i am happy that the power is with people who succeed in life rather than in the hands of people who have failed.. like yourself.

fifth.. i am very happy with the gas prices.. i drive a gas guzzling v8 mercedes benz.. i love the fact that failures like yourself cannot afford gas and therefore are not in my way while im zooming down the streets. i dont have to worry about people like you who cannot afford gas to hit my beautiful late model luxury sports car with your peice of shit while you have no insurance.


sixth.. i eat out at 5 star restaurants 3-4 times a week.. im glad idiots like yourself do not have the luxury of being at the same restaurants.. so i get quicker service and better service, since the waiter didnt get stiffed on a tip by a lowlife like yourself..

i rest my case.
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well my friend your response has cleared up your position.

first point.. we are not in a fascist state, 9-11 wasnt a conspiracy and wasnt planned by George Bush.

second.. i believe in abortions, i believe in quicker executions and executions for less serious offenses to rid this country of degenerates of society which serve no purpose but to commit crimes and waste government and tax payer resources.

third.. the purpose of what we are doing in Iraq is not known to me or to you. You might think that the government thinks all american citizens are equal, but in fact the majority of americans are idiots, so they herd the sheep. just like you. my guess is that we are using iraq as a strategic military position, whether political, military, financial or all 3. if you think we are there to liberate the iraqi people, you are an idiot.

fourth.. corporations and special intrests do run the country.. and yes i own my own corporation so yes i am happy that the power is with people who succeed in life rather than in the hands of people who have failed.. like yourself.

fifth.. i am very happy with the gas prices.. i drive a gas guzzling v8 mercedes benz.. i love the fact that failures like yourself cannot afford gas and therefore are not in my way while im zooming down the streets. i dont have to worry about people like you who cannot afford gas to hit my beautiful late model luxury sports car with your peice of shit while you have no insurance.


sixth.. i eat out at 5 star restaurants 3-4 times a week.. im glad idiots like yourself do not have the luxury of being at the same restaurants.. so i get quicker service and better service, since the waiter didnt get stiffed on a tip by a lowlife like yourself..

i rest my case.

So you payed the $50 to make yourself a corporation. Oooooo type s wow you amaze me.

Second you live in Miami. Lived there for 5 years myself. You and the cubans can have that shithole.

third. There are no 5 star restaurants in Miami except maybe Joe's.

fourth. If you own a 1988 mercedes, you rock.

fifth. Look up fascism if you can .

I'll help

14 defining characteristics of Fascism:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.



Any of this sound familiar?
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what a fucking moron, I 'd love for you to say shit like that in public, typical keyboard bitch
I'd say whatever I damn well please to your fucking face as the biggest snot rocket i've ever brewed hit you straight in the eyeball you fat mother fucker
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So you payed the $50 to make yourself a corporation. Oooooo type s wow you amaze me.

Second you live in Miami. Lived there for 5 years myself. You and the cubans can have that shithole.

third. There are no 5 star restaurants in Miami except maybe Joe's.

fourth. If you own a 1988 mercedes, you rock.

fifth. Look up fascism if you can .

I'll help

14 defining characteristics of Fascism:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.



Any of this sound familiar?
this reply is typical and expected. please refer to my previous post, no point in repeating myself.
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this reply is typical and expected. please refer to my previous post, no point in repeating myself.

Shouldn't you be in bed. I think I hear your mommy calling kid.
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Get used to saying it, President Barack Obama!
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Shouldn't you be in bed. I think I hear your mommy calling kid.
is that all you got? common man you can do better than that..
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is that all you got? common man you can do better than that..
I have t-shirts that are older than you.
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yea, sorry you cant buy any new shit, maybe obama will help you out..
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Go live in a foreign country and vote for Obama ya fuckin nig lovers! GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA WITH YOUR GOD DAMN hahahahahaha FOR PRESIDENT BULLSHIT! Go ahead and destory what our ancestors fought for you pieces of shit. Seeya
Why dont you just try to step up and make me move?
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I don't support racism.

However, I do feel that Obama is a younger, more articulate version of Jimmy Carter. Their ideas stink.

Let's stay on the issues.
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14 defining characteristics of Fascism:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Obama is rallying people under "we are great, we are change" much like hitler did.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Obama voted for the patriot act.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Obama thinks we should send troops to Pakistan to take out "terrorists"

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Obama has no plans to pull troops out of Iraq and see #3

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

Obama is a male. lol

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Who the hell do you think created Obama?

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Like trying to make people fear the "heathcare crisis?" while he neglects true issues?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Gee I wonder why I saw Obamas paster 24/7 for a few weeks.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Obama has a large support from lobbyists

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Labor unions have turned into big business

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

Obama likes strong federalized education which always lead to the attack of higher education professors and free expression.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Obama voted for the patriot act.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Obama has corrupt ties

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.





Any of this sound familiar?
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interesting thread... yeah, the candidates suck this year
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I don't support racism.

However, I do feel that Obama is a younger, more articulate version of Jimmy Carter. Their ideas stink.

Let's stay on the issues.
Yep Jimmy Carters ideas stunk. Lets see here. We would be off foreign oil, we would have cars that get 100mpg and every house would have solar panels. That would suck wouldn't it?
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Obama voted for the patriot act.
Oops... you have the facts wrong... Obama didn't vote for the patriot act... he voted to re institute protections for our civil liberties that were left out of the patriot act.

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Mr. OBAMA: Mr. President, 4 years ago, following one of the most devastating attacks in our Nation's history, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act to give our Nation's law enforcement the tools they needed to track down terrorists who plot and lurk within our own borders and all over the world--terrorists who, right now, are looking to exploit weaknesses in our laws and our security to carry out even deadlier attacks than we saw on September 11th.

We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

But soon after the PATRIOT Act passed, a few years before I ever arrived in the Senate, I began hearing concerns from people of every background and political leaning that this law didn't just provide law enforcement the powers it needed to keep us safe, but powers it didn't need to invade our privacy without cause or suspicion. Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an ``either- or'' type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.

Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe.

In this compromise:

* We strengthened judicial review of both national security letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.
* We established hard-time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.
* We protected most libraries from being subject to national security letters.
* We preserved an individual's right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBI's wrath.
* And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches. The compromise is far from perfect.

I would have liked to see stronger judicial review of national security letters and shorter time limits on sneak and peak searches, among other things.

Senator Feingold has proposed several sensible amendments--that I support--to address these issues. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader is preventing Senator Feingold from offering these amendments through procedural tactics. That is regrettable because it flies in the face of the bipartisan cooperation that allowed the Senate to pass unanimously its version of the Patriot Act--a version that balanced security and civil liberty, partisanship and patriotism.

The Majority Leader's tactics are even more troubling because we will need to work on a bipartisan basis to address national security challenges in the weeks and months to come. In particular, members on both sides of the aisle will need to take a careful look at President Bush's use of warrantless wiretaps and determine the right balance between protecting our security and safeguarding our civil liberties.

This is a complex issue. But only by working together and avoiding election-year politicking will we be able to give our government the necessary tools to wage the war on terror without sacrificing the rule of law.

So, I will be supporting the PATRIOT Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the PATRIOT Act after it is reauthorized.
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Bzzzz... you have alot of facts wrong... Obama has no lobbiests in his campaign and hasn't take money from any lobbiest organization.
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It is not my fault you can not read english. I said support. Which he does. Just another part of the illusion.

As for the patriot act he "fought" to improve it, didnt, then voted for it anyway. Now that is what I call leadership

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