Obamas charisma will take America to new heights worldwide

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The man is absolutely amazing ? I see the worlds outlook on America changing very soon

I see a day where once again we will be respected as the world?s leader

[pornask]

[IllTestYourGirls]

what is his plan on saving the sinking dollar?

[tony286]

I agree with you.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Obama feels like christmas in the ghetto. Kids are excited but nothing is going to happen.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

what is his plan on saving the sinking dollar?

Believe it or not but.... But one step in saving the dollar is bringing respect back to the American brand

another step that he stresses is bringing jobs back to America and forcing large corporations to pay Americans a fair wage

What was Bushes plan??

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

What was Bushes plan??

Oh never mind I know

Bush plan was to outsource damn near every job in America to other countries and sell the products and services of the same to Americans

lots of money out.... little money in

Now he is begging ( this is beneath America by the way ) arab leaders to lower the price of oil... or increase production

begging

the man has damn near brung this country to its knees

[IllTestYourGirls]

Respect for the dollar will not deal with the supply and demand for the dollar. Yes "respect" has something to do with it, but since Obama will keep the troops in Iraq for his first full term there will be little "respect"

How does he plan on bringing jobs back to the USA while taxing those evil corps?

Bushs plan was the same as Bill Clintons and the same as Obamas.

If you "force" corporations to "pay a fair wage" that means higher prices and greater inflation and will cancel out the fair wage. Again supply and demand of the dollar.

Plus a great tax burden will be placed on those "getting a fair wage" to pay for all the entitlements. Not only a physical tax but an inflation tax.

Nothing will change with Obama.

And yes, bush sucked.

You realize obama is for outsourcing for nafta and for bringing in more immigrants to lower wages right?

Originally Posted by pussyserver

Believe it or not but.... But one step in saving the dollar is bringing respect back to the American brand

another step that he stresses is bringing jobs back to America and forcing large corporations to pay Americans a fair wage

What was Bushes plan??

[tony286]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

If you "force" corporations to "pay a fair wage" that means higher prices and greater inflation and will cancel out the fair wage. Again supply and demand of the dollar.

I was once listening to a economist who said if tomorrow walmart gave everyone a 3 buck a hour raise . It would raise the cost of goods about 1.5 cents. That's the line corporations give oh prices will go up as they take their 100 million dollar bonuses. Bullshit.

[IllTestYourGirls]

plus the higher taxes. I agree there are lots of lines of bullshit, but they are coming from both sides.

We are hearing all the right problems but are given all the wrong answers.

Originally Posted by tony404

I was once listening to a economist who said if tomorrow walmart gave everyone a 3 buck a hour raise . It would raise the cost of goods about 1.5 cents. That's the line corporations give oh prices will go up as they take their 100 million dollar bonuses. Bullshit.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

Now he is begging ( this is beneath America by the way ) arab leaders to lower the price of oil... or increase production

begging

the man has damn near brung this country to its knees

hmm... well.... if it wasn't for short sighted liberal assholes that have prevented exploration, drilling and building new refineries in the US, we wouldn't have this problem.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

hmm... well.... if it wasn't for short sighted liberal assholes that have prevented exploration, drilling and building new refineries in the US, we wouldn't have this problem.

Current refineries are only operating at 80-85 percent of capacity.

Taken from the Wyden report of 2001:

In the mid-1990s too much refining capacity, not too little, concerned
the nation's major oil companies. At that time, the oil and gas
industry faced what they termed "excess refining capacity," a
circumstance they viewed as a financial liability that drove down
overall profit margins. The industry reduced the total amount of
potential supply by closing down more than 50 refineries in the past
decade. Since 1995 alone, 24 refinery closings have taken nearly
830,000 barrels of oil per day.


Also oil is a traded commodity so there is no discount if its drilled here. $126 a barrel is $126 a barrel. Its not liberals fault gas is so high. Its W's and the republicans fault for lowering taxes and then going to war and borrowing to pay for it all.

[Bdiddy]

The damage to the economy is irreparable in the short term. America's in muck for the next 10 yrs at a conservative estimate.

Yes, Bush was a fuckup, but the fiscal policies of the US since the early 70's ensured the inevitable decline of the dollar (subsequently the whole economy)...the Fed stopping M3 reporting a few years ago was the "Dead End" sign. It will be a long hard road but we can come out clean on the other side so long as we don't have rapid deflation. We will be a stronger nation when we do come out of it too imho. (the average joe will remember the true value of a dollar, we'll see a massive decline in bullshit credit, and we will be living up to our true industrial potential) Why? because we'll have a shitload of resources and a weak currency. Cheap, cheap, cheap. It won't matter if we raise wages four years from now because the companies will probably be trading in EUROS.

That being said, I agree with pussyserver. In a time like this, charisma, eloquence, change, and youth should not be underestimated. Besides, at least with Obama there's a CHANCE, a chance, he might do something different then the previous generation who has done nothing but...ahem...fuck it up for all of us.

I personally don't want to see this genealogy in the office: Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton. <--Putting McCain in there would be no different.

Remember, People said FDR couldnt change anything in 1931

[Kard63]

I don't understand, he will still be talking after McCain wins?

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Kard63

I don't understand, he will still be talking after McCain wins?

Mccaine has a better chance of winning this instead:

[Bdiddy]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Obama feels like christmas in the ghetto. Kids are excited but nothing is going to happen.

That was a good line

[WarChild]

You're such a tool. You don't have your hand on the pulse of anything.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You're such a tool. You don't have your hand on the pulse of anything.

and you are such a tool your post in a thread without any opinion on the subject

Learn to think my friend... its fun

[Alky]

So he's going to force corporations to pay more, and also stop out sourcing? I find it hard to believe.

[mynameisjim]

I think Obama CAN be a good president, but it's pretty obvious he's a phony. Anytime he's pressed on an issue he falls back on something similar to this..."These are just the attacks of the old politics in Washington. I represent a change."

His rise is more about the American people then him. People are so hungry for change they projected that onto him and his talent was that he was clever enough to latch onto it early on. Before Iowa, he wasn't really pushing the whole "change" thing that hard. Then he beat Hillary in Iowa and the press headlined it as "Change beats out Experience" and the next day every poster at Obama's speeches read "Change" in big bold letters. He's a clever guy and runs a good campaign but he's not this great figure that people have made him out to be.

But it's all a moot point as Mcain will beat him anyway. Look at the way they started carving him up this past week with GW's foreign policy comments and Obama took the bait hook line and sinker.

[Emil]

He better fix the dollar FAST... or ELSE!!!

[v4 media]

OBAMA: 'We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK'...


Makes so much sense, but how Americans agree with this statement.
The majority think fuck yeah we're American we can do what we want.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Originally Posted by Emil

He better fix the dollar FAST... or ELSE!!!

[NikKay]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I think Obama CAN be a good president, but it's pretty obvious he's a phony.

This is dead on how I feel about Obama. Every time I see him on TV he says the same shit over and over again and makes sure to fit in 50 stories that show how impressive and versatile his background is. "My Dad served his country." "My Mom is black and grew up poor." "My grandparents were immigrants." "My best friend in college played golf with George Bush." blahblahblahhhhhhhh

I would prefer a president who grew up homeless without any parents and told us his upbringing was none of our motherfucking business and had a real plan for the issues our country faces.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

But it's all a moot point as Mcain will beat him anyway. Look at the way they started carving him up this past week with GW's foreign policy comments and Obama took the bait hook line and sinker.

Try getting your news from someplace other than Karl Rove on FOX

[stev0]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

I see a day where once again we will be respected as the world?s leader

Since when has anyone other than Americans seen the US as the "worlds leader"?

[uno]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You're such a tool. You don't have your hand on the pulse of anything.

While I usually enjoy your opinions and agree with you on this... You're a Canadian living in Costa Rica.

[uno]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

But it's all a moot point as Mcain will beat him anyway. Look at the way they started carving him up this past week with GW's foreign policy comments and Obama took the bait hook line and sinker.

I thought he won that exchange. You can't get much worse than Bush, in a foreign country, comparing Obama to a Hitler appeaser.

[Doctor Dre]

America needs way more then charisma

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by tony404

Current refineries are only operating at 80-85 percent of capacity.

Taken from the Wyden report of 2001:

In the mid-1990s too much refining capacity, not too little, concerned
the nation's major oil companies. At that time, the oil and gas
industry faced what they termed "excess refining capacity," a
circumstance they viewed as a financial liability that drove down
overall profit margins. The industry reduced the total amount of
potential supply by closing down more than 50 refineries in the past
decade. Since 1995 alone, 24 refinery closings have taken nearly
830,000 barrels of oil per day.


Also oil is a traded commodity so there is no discount if its drilled here. $126 a barrel is $126 a barrel. Its not liberals fault gas is so high. Its W's and the republicans fault for lowering taxes and then going to war and borrowing to pay for it all.

Can't imagine there isnt a way around that. Venezuela found a way around it.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

hmm... well.... if it wasn't for short sighted liberal assholes that have prevented exploration, drilling and building new refineries in the US, we wouldn't have this problem.

Yeah just what we need another right wing nut job to tear up the earth so we can keep lining the oil companies profits. You are short sighted and far from intelligent.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

hmm... well.... if it wasn't for short sighted liberal assholes that have prevented exploration, drilling and building new refineries in the US, we wouldn't have this problem.

ha ha ha.. Maybe the liberal assholes look at countries like Brazil where 40% if their fuel is sugarcane ethanol and they don't import any oil anymore.. or Iceland where 19% of their electricity and 80% of home heating is done using geothermal energy as opposed to more oil and coal.. and they know that opening more refinaries or drilling for more oil isn't the way to go for long term stable national security..

[IllTestYourGirls]

since bush's terms people think the president is a dictator and with a snap of his/her fingers they can "make" people do things.

Do not forget Obama is also for forced slave labor. 50 hours a year for each kid and almost as long for each adult, yes each adult, someone needs to watch the kids while they work for free.

Originally Posted by Alky

So he's going to force corporations to pay more, and also stop out sourcing? I find it hard to believe.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

since bush's terms people think the president is a dictator and with a snap of his/her fingers they can "make" people do things.

Do not forget Obama is also for forced slave labor. 50 hours a year for each kid and almost as long for each adult, yes each adult, someone needs to watch the kids while they work for free.

Man there are some characters on this board. I can only laugh at your stupidity.

[Word2348]

Obama is fooling all of you, by out smarting you.

Please, if you think for second this guy is really up to some "good", your a fool.

Cmon... wake up america, jesus, this is why we are a nation full of simple minded people.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Tempest

ha ha ha.. Maybe the liberal assholes look at countries like Brazil where 40&#37; if their fuel is sugarcane ethanol and they don't import any oil anymore.. or Iceland where 19% of their electricity and 80% of home heating is done using geothermal energy as opposed to more oil and coal.. and they know that opening more refinaries or drilling for more oil isn't the way to go for long term stable national security..

ahh... so now the US is the same as Brazil? we can run the country on Volcanos?

really?

do you have any concept of the differences between the fuel needs of Brazil and that of the USA? can you find Iceland on a map? Any concept of the size of the population?

Ethanol? wow.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Yeah just what we need another right wing nut job to tear up the earth so we can keep lining the oil companies profits. You are short sighted and far from intelligent.

thats sort of ironic. the guy who was so delusional, he was convinced Ron Paul was going to become the first Supreme Intergalactic Ruler of the Universe is telling me i'm not smart.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

ahh... so now the US is the same as Brazil? we can run the country on Volcanos?

really?

do you have any concept of the differences between the fuel needs of Brazil and that of the USA? can you find Iceland on a map? Any concept of the size of the population?

Ethanol? wow.

You're truly an idiot.. Where did I say either one of those would be the holy grail solution for the US? Even an intellectually challenged person like yourself "should" be able to see that more oil is a losing proposition and that the longer the US takes to get off their ass, the worse the entire world is going to be.

[IllTestYourGirls]

I guess you have not read his plan
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Natio...nFactSheet.pdf

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Man there are some characters on this board. I can only laugh at your stupidity.

[CE_Rashaan]

Good bless BARAK

[GrouchyAdmin]

[IllTestYourGirls]

Oh ya and for the record I hope he wins.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

thats sort of ironic. the guy who was so delusional, he was convinced Ron Paul was going to become the first Supreme Intergalactic Ruler of the Universe is telling me i'm not smart.

Now your not just stupid, your a liar. I just think he is a better candidate than all the others including Obama. He is also smarter with a greater knowledge of history and politics. He always sticks to his principles as well as believing we should follow constitution. He is also REALLY against bigger goverment. Sorry your a fucking retard that has never done shit for this country who buys the neocon rhetoric t and would gladly let our country go to shit. Just admit that you watch Bill Oreilly and buy his shit hook line and sinker. Come on, ya know u do.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You're truly an idiot.. Where did I say either one of those would be the holy grail solution for the US? Even an intellectually challenged person like yourself "should" be able to see that more oil is a losing proposition and that the longer the US takes to get off their ass, the worse the entire world is going to be.

when did i say more oil was a long term solution?

seriously man, are you people fucking retarded or what? we do have lots of oil in the US that is totally untapped.

ethanol barely yields more energy than it costs to produce. ethanol from sugar (brazil) is a totally different crop than corn (US) and yields far more energy. so your "solution" isn't a solution.. short term or long term. the fact that we are using it at all right now is driving up food prices. just like geothermal energy from fucking volcanos we don't have isn't a long term or short term solution, since 80&#37; of our population isn't living on top of a volcano (yeah, your example was idiotic at best)

the US is where it is because people are fucking retards in this country. because its became a nation of idiots that caters to the lowest common denominator... and where ignorance, stupidity and emotion continue to triumph over reason and simple economics (like the mandatory use of corn based ethanol)

while you fucking morons are crying about "doing something".... i was simply pointing out that we CAN do something. we have massive oil reserves in the US. but while you fucked in the head morons are crying about everything and busy making lists of reasons we can't use the most practical and feasible means to solve these issues in the short term, the economy will continue to suffer, food prices will continue to rise and people will suffer because you think the oil companies should stop dead in their tracks and produce a car that runs on butterflies and happiness as a solution... and you're just totally baffled as to why it isn't happening.

[IllTestYourGirls]

And I think we have a winner. This is why we have McCain Obama or Clinton as choices

after all "charisma" is what matters

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

the US is where it is because people are fucking retards in this country. because its became a nation of idiots that caters to the lowest common denominator... and where ignorance, stupidity and emotion continue to triumph over reason and simple economics

[Pleasurepays]

its unreal how clueless people in this country are. its totally disappointing and depressing.

from wikipedia:

"In 2007, biofuels consumed one third of America's corn (maize) harvest. Filling up one large vehicle fuel tank one time with 100% ethanol uses enough corn to feed one person for a year. Thirty million tons of U.S. corn going to ethanol in 2007 greatly reduces the world's overall supply of grain.[108] However, 31% of the corn put into the process comes out as distiller's grain, or DDGS, which is very high in protein, and is used to feed livestock."

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

And I think we have a winner. This is why we have McCain Obama or Clinton as choices

after all "charisma" is what matters

this place is fucked. its over. done.

i mean really!!! what the fuck!? after Bush, we have 3 equally bad idiots to choose from? this is the best we can do?

here we are... every dumb twit in the country knows who the final contestants are in Dancing with the Stars... and almost no one knows why they are paying 4.00 a gallon for gas.

[Pleasurepays]

Ethanol production consumes large quantities of unsustainable petroleum and natural gas. Even with the most-optimistic energy return on investment claims, in order to use 100% solar energy to grow corn and produce ethanol (fueling farm-and-transportation machinery with ethanol, distilling with heat from burning crop residues, using NO fossil fuels), the consumption of ethanol to replace current U.S. petroleum use alone would require about 75% of all cultivated land on the face of the Earth, with no ethanol for other countries, or sufficient food for humans and animals.[115]

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

when did i say more oil was a long term solution?

seriously man, are you people fucking retarded or what? we do have lots of oil in the US that is totally untapped.

ethanol barely yields more energy than it costs to produce. ethanol from sugar (brazil) is a totally different crop than corn (US) and yields far more energy. so your "solution" isn't a solution.. short term or long term. the fact that we are using it at all right now is driving up food prices. just like geothermal energy from fucking volcanos we don't have isn't a long term or short term solution, since 80% of our population isn't living on top of a volcano (yeah, your example was idiotic at best)

the US is where it is because people are fucking retards in this country. because its became a nation of idiots that caters to the lowest common denominator... and where ignorance, stupidity and emotion continue to triumph over reason and simple economics (like the mandatory use of corn based ethanol)

while you fucking morons are crying about "doing something".... i was simply pointing out that we CAN do something. we have massive oil reserves in the US. but while you fucked in the head morons are crying about everything and busy making lists of reasons we can't use the most practical and feasible means to solve these issues in the short term, the economy will continue to suffer, food prices will continue to rise and people will suffer because you think the oil companies should stop dead in their tracks and produce a car that runs on butterflies and happiness as a solution... and you're just totally baffled as to why it isn't happening.

ha ha ha.. You want to have it both ways don't you.. You blame the "liberals" for not letting the oil companies drill for more and yet you say you know that oil isn't the long term solutions.. Just how the hell do you think you get those oil companies to work on alternate energy sources? You FORCE them... How many instances in history have you seen corporations do what's best for a country and it's citizens all on their own as opposed to being forced to do it. They, like everyone else, take the path of least resistance... So unless you mandate things, they won't find ways to make it profitable. Force them, and they will or they'll die.. Just like it's said around here all the time, adapt or die.

Did I say corn ethanol? No.. put down your pipe.. Did I say go all geothermal? no.. again, put down your pipe since you're just making shit up so you can make your little ego feel better when it's pointed out what an idiot you are... It's going to take a lot of different energy sources that are home grown... My entire point was that these little countries had the balls to actually do something as opposed to the country that's supposed to lead the world in everything. And here's a little eye opener for you since you seem to just spout shit off without many facts. First off, geothermal does not require volcanoes.. Secondly, MIT did a report about geothermal in the US.. When they only take into account the stored energy 10km below the surface, the amount of thermal energy there is so large that it can be considered sustainable and that even if it was used to supply ALL of the primary energy consumed in the US, it would only be using 10% of what's available. When an area "dries" up, you leave it for 100 years and can come back and tap it again.. And that's just with todays technology. Over the next number of years, the US is set to close down 90GW of energy producing nuclear and coal plants. Their esimates are that you can build enough geothermal plants to generate 100GW of energy for less than one zero emissions coal plant. But the path of least resistance and the one that will have lots of lobbiest money behind it will most likely be coal. Another losing proposition since it's not sustainable either.

You're really a bitter man aren't you.. What's wrong? Does it make you mad when no one thinks you're as brilliant as you think you are? All you ever post about is how everyone else is a moron and don't take responsibilty for their actions.. But you clearly are all about "me" which is only about taking responsibility for yourself and no one else.. Which is exactly the attitude that's got the US in the position it's currently in.. It has nothing to do with all your fellow citzens, it has to do with the "me me me" attitude which is what you actually exhibit, just in a different way.

Bottom line... It would take years and billions of dollars (much of which would end up being leeched from the public) for that other oil to be put into production.. It's also going to take years for alternate energies... So where should that money and effort be put? More dumped into the stop gap efforts of more oil? or long term solutions. I'd rather see it put into long term solutions as that makes more logical and economic sense.

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by uno

I thought he won that exchange. You can't get much worse than Bush, in a foreign country, comparing Obama to a Hitler appeaser.

I agree, he did win and he's right. But don't forget, this election will come down to the undecided voters who still think GW Bush isn't that bad. Those people will NOT think Obama won that exchange at all.

To the person who told me to get my news from somewhere other than FOX, trust me, I'm no conservative Republican. I'm just saying you have to see things from the perspective of the people who are going to decide this election. People like you and me are already going to vote Democratic no matter what. The people who still think the Republicans aren't that bad are the ones wee need to be selling our message to but the Democrats brand anyone who doesn't agree with them as a red-neck hillbilly. Not exactly the best way to win their votes. The Republicans court those people and that's why they've won the last 8 years.

Isn't everyone here in the marketing business? If you called all your niche surfers perverts and lonely losers who need to masturbate to porn, I don't think you would sell that much. But that's what the Democrats do by making fun of the evangelicals and looking down on their outright patriotism. Democrats need to learn how to sell their message a little better.