Do yoy gave respect for ppl who serve in the military?

[ChefJeff]

Do you have respect for ppl that serve in the military? Or what?

[Iron Fist]

Respect as in free memberships or high five respect?

[Grapesoda]

yeow zir!!! I wanted to serve and they wouldn't let me :

[farkedup]

it depends really, the respect isn't just a given with ANYBODY, we have just as many dipshits in the military simply because they have no other options as we have the real respectable people.

Do I feel bad for them? Hell yeah... getting conned into a military invasion off of false promises and pretenses... Every "normal" person I know that went in was saying how they were promised to not be anywhere near the real danger just for a couple of them to get hurt anyway... Friend of mine even DIED over there... and for what?

[aico]

Depends on the person. A person can be in the military and still be a complete douche bag.

[Spunky]

God bless the vets..of course I do

[Evil E]

Well they get a license plate...

[dav3]

Yes, because it's no easy task to put up with bullshit that most of them have to endure everyday.

I don't, however, agree with the way the military force is abused by those in power.

[crockett]

of course.

[ChefJeff]

What if someone in the adult industry did it to do his/her part as a gesture to show their gratitude for our freedoms?

[notoldschool]

What if someone in the adult industry did it to do his/her part as a gesture to show their gratitude for our freedoms?

Many of us allready have.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Of course. I would have joined but I hated the policies of Clinton's nation building and the follow through of that same policy by Bush. I have had friends die in Iraq and a few there right now and one that is home now. They joined to protect the USA constitution but never really thought they would be used in this fashion.

[OG LennyT]

I'm a vet, so yeah.. I guess I do

[GetSCORECash]

My nephew recently enlisted. So yes, I have respect for those who commit to defending this great nation.

Afganistan was a just war, as it was the only way to go after bin laden.

[Rochard]

it depends really, the respect isn't just a given with ANYBODY, we have just as many dipshits in the military simply because they have no other options as we have the real respectable people.

Do I feel bad for them? Hell yeah... getting conned into a military invasion off of false promises and pretenses... Every "normal" person I know that went in was saying how they were promised to not be anywhere near the real danger just for a couple of them to get hurt anyway... Friend of mine even DIED over there... and for what?

Idiot.

I was one those who had no other real option at the time. At age I was drug addict, strung out, stealing loose change from my minimum wage job at a dry cleaners to get by. By chance I ran into a Marine Corps recruiter I know, and forty-eight hours later I was at Paris Island knowing that my father - and his father before him - had both died in combat as US Marines.

Every day of my life I am thankful that I joined. It gave the morals and values I have today, made me who I am, and I now know that I can do anything I set my mind to.

I never saw combat, so you don't owe me jack shit. But your welcome anyhow.

[J. Falcon]

What if someone in the adult industry did it to do his/her part as a gesture to show their gratitude for our freedoms?

Whose freedom are they figting for, exactly?

[davecummings]

What if someone in the adult industry did it to do his/her part as a gesture to show their gratitude for our freedoms?

Living in San Diego, loaded with active duty military (and retirees, too), I respect and voice my gratitude to any/all of them, and often. I belong to a running club that has lots of military folks of all ranks in it, many of whom have served repeated overseas tours ---I worry about them just like I did for my own soldiers when I was a Unit Commander with the 4th Inf Div during the enemey's Tet Offensive in Vietnam. No matter what politics you or I hold/feel, the troops are a cross-section of society who deserve our good wishes for their personal well-being; IMHO, they ARE America!!!

Dave

[Spunky]

It takes a different person to be able to do that,firefighters and cops also get the same respect.I know I don't have the balls to do that and they all should be commended on their bravery

[theking]

Living in San Diego, loaded with active duty military (and retirees, too), I respect and voice my gratitude to any/all of them, and often. I belong to a running club that has lots of military folks of all ranks in it, many of whom have served repeated overseas tours ---I worry about them just like I did for my own soldiers when I was a Unit Commander with the 4th Inf Div during the enemey's Tet Offensive in Vietnam. No matter what politics you or I hold/feel, the troops are a cross-section of society who deserve our good wishes for their personal well-being; IMHO, they ARE America!!!

Dave

Hear...hear.

[theking]

Whose freedom are they figting for, exactly?

Reading comprehension problems?

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Being in the military isn't a requirement for respect from me. I would say that it's not a factor at all. It has to do with a much bigger picture of who you are as a person.

[tony286]

Ive met some that get my respect and some that dont. Just like regular people.I have to say one thing for the marines, Ive had all types of people stay at my house inlaws,models, friends.The only person who made their bed and left the room neater than they got it was a marine.

[J. Falcon]

Reading comprehension problems?

None at all. I just don't understand what freedom the military is fighting for, that's all.

And btw, I have no respect for bitches like you. I do pity you though.

[theking]

None at all. I just don't understand what freedom the military is fighting for, that's all.

And btw, I have no respect for bitches like you. I do pity you though.

I normally do not engage in intercourse with the ignorant but it is apparent that you do have a reading comprehension problem..."show their gratitude for our freedoms". Since the revolution our military has been fighting for our freedoms...a show of gratitude by patriots is appropriate.

As for your extraneous remarks...I do not need or desire respect or pity from you...thank you very much.

[ChefJeff]

I must have been in a hurry to post the thread topic... LOL... WTF? LOL

[Vendzilla]

I'm a veteran of the Submarine Service, My daughter is in the Navy getting ready for a 6month trip to the gulf.
I'm proud my daughter wanted to do this, she's getting a good education in electronics.

I can't speak for other countries, but in the US, people should have respect for the people that serve, got problem with the government? different people!

[theking]

Idiot.

I was one those who had no other real option at the time. At age I was drug addict, strung out, stealing loose change from my minimum wage job at a dry cleaners to get by. By chance I ran into a Marine Corps recruiter I know, and forty-eight hours later I was at Paris Island knowing that my father - and his father before him - had both died in combat as US Marines.

Every day of my life I am thankful that I joined. It gave the morals and values I have today, made me who I am, and I now know that I can do anything I set my mind to.

I never saw combat, so you don't owe me jack shit. But your welcome anyhow.

for coming out a better man.

[Mutt]

yes of course - i have a ton of respect for anybody who serves in the military - moreso when they have other options and choose to serve.

but as somebody else posted there are plenty of assholes and criminals in the military just like in any other group of people.

[Rochard]

Whose freedom are they figting for, exactly?

When your in the US military, you don't get to pick and choose who and when you fight. You serve at the pleasure of the President; You go when your told to go and you fight who your told to fight. The US military doesn't practice democracy, the protect it.

[Vendzilla]

yes of course - i have a ton of respect for anybody who serves in the military - moreso when they have other options and choose to serve.

but as somebody else posted there are plenty of assholes and criminals in the military just like in any other group of people.

things in the military have changed, I've seen a lot of changes talking to my daughter

[Rochard]

It takes a different person to be able to do that,firefighters and cops also get the same respect.I know I don't have the balls to do that and they all should be commended on their bravery

Firemen and police officers should get the most amount of respect. They run into burning buildings, save lives, and get spit on when they try to break up domestic disputes - not to mention they got shot at.

[Rochard]

Ive met some that get my respect and some that dont. Just like regular people.I have to say one thing for the marines, Ive had all types of people stay at my house inlaws,models, friends.The only person who made their bed and left the room neater than they got it was a marine.

Ha, it took me twenty years to break myself of that habit and letting my wife make the bed.

Marines like neatness and order. You should see my home office; If one thing is out of place I freak out.

[Pnk XXX]

not at all

they are merely puppets fighting for a countries capitalistic conflicts and gain.

these days they will accept almost any schmuck into the US military.
lets see how they attract these peons:
instant signup bonuses
pay your college tuition or put $ towards
advertising and appealing to minorities and the lower class
advertising on public radio, tv commercials, movie theaters, public billboards, etc.

the US military is designed to attract people with no other place to go, minorities, the lower class.

why should I give a person respect who solely joined the military bc they were going no where in life and signed their life away to the government to waste 4 yrs of their life for a petty $4k signup bonus for the Army?

not to mention how much army recruiters will lie to your face and on paper and do almost anything to get you to join. I went and took the ASFAB test when I was in high school for shits and giggles and my recruiter lied about me having ADHD on paper bc he said they would prob deny me if he marked it down, LOL!

God bless the troops!

:rolls eyes:

also take a look @ how the US military takes care of its vets. look up the # of vets that returned home from Vietnam to end up homeless. I believe the current stats is 1 out of every 4 homeless person has served in the US military. ?

[Redrob]

Enlisted in '69 and did six years of Army. Great training, great experience and travel.

I ended up in Japan and Korea instead of Vietnam. Spent time as intelligence analyst, running investigations, security NCO at missile depot, recruiter/career counselor, and infantry sergeant. Turned down E-6 twice due to upcoming ETS future plans.

No regrets.

And, hell yeah, they all get my respect. If you don't think they deserve it, visit a veteran's hospital or military hospital for a day. It will change your life.

[tony286]

not at all

they are merely puppets fighting for a countries capitalistic conflicts and gain.

these days they will accept almost any schmuck into the US military.
lets see how they attract these peons:
instant signup bonuses
pay your college tuition or put $ towards
advertising and appealing to minorities and the lower class
advertising on public radio, tv commercials, movie theaters, public billboards, etc.

the US military is designed to attract people with no other place to go, minorities, the lower class.

why should I give a person respect who solely joined the military bc they were going no where in life and signed their life away to the government to waste 4 yrs of their life for a petty $4k signup bonus for the Army?

not to mention how much army recruiters will lie to your face and on paper and do almost anything to get you to join. I went and took the ASFAB test when I was in high school for shits and giggles and my recruiter lied about me having ADHD on paper bc he said they would prob deny me if he marked it down, LOL!

God bless the troops!

:rolls eyes:

also take a look @ how the US military takes care of its vets. look up the # of vets that returned home from Vietnam to end up homeless. I believe the current stats is 1 out of every 4 homeless person has served in the US military. ?

Your right the government gives them nothing but lip service. How they think the current admin is pro military because they talk god bless the troops boogles my fucking mind.Then give them not enough the body armor, soldiers have died taking showers in iraq because of cheap wiring and they cut benefits on them.While we were all seeing that Rev Wright bullshit played again and again Memo's have showed up that W knew and approved all the torture happening at that prison and they let those soldiers hang in the breeze and now they sit in jail when they were doing what the admin wanted. Its a shame they give so much and get fucked in return for the most part.

[Peaches]

As the daughter and mother of former members of the Air Force, yes. And I will go out of my way to thank a military member for serving as my country's defense, I don't care if they're an asshole or not.

the US military is designed to attract people with no other place to go, minorities, the lower class.

My Dad went in with an MBA and a degree in engineering. And I certainly didn't see ANY of what you're describing at my son's basic training or technical school graduations.

[Antonio]

lol, what for? just because they were in the army? I was in the army and I'm a total prick, you want respect - you must earn it.

If I have to give respect blindly I'd give it to doctors and teachers, they help people, soldiers - they kill people, out of the last 200 wars there aren't more than 3 that you can call just

[tony286]

As the daughter and mother of former members of the Air Force, yes. And I will go out of my way to thank a military member for serving as my country's defense, I don't care if they're an asshole or not.



My Dad went in with an MBA and a degree in engineering. And I certainly didn't see ANY of what you're describing at my son's basic training or technical school graduations.

That was how many years ago? They recently dumbed down the requirements because they couldnt meet goals.

[Big_D]

I'm a veteran of the Submarine Service, My daughter is in the Navy getting ready for a 6month trip to the gulf.
I'm proud my daughter wanted to do this, she's getting a good education in electronics.

I can't speak for other countries, but in the US, people should have respect for the people that serve, got problem with the government? different people!

HOOYAH SUBMARINES!!!!

I myself am also a submarine vet, (four years) what I can say is, although the military wasnt for me (basically because I hate being told what to do), it showed me a lot of values and strengths in myself that I didnt know existed. I learned more than I could have ever imagined, made friends I still talk with regularly, and gave me a new found respect for my country.

[theking]

Your right the government gives them nothing but lip service. How they think the current admin is pro military because they talk god bless the troops boogles my fucking mind.Then give them not enough the body armor, soldiers have died taking showers in iraq because of cheap wiring and they cut benefits on them.While we were all seeing that Rev Wright bullshit played again and again Memo's have showed up that W knew and approved all the torture happening at that prison and they let those soldiers hang in the breeze and now they sit in jail when they were doing what the admin wanted. Its a shame they give so much and get fucked in return for the most part.

Speaking for myself...the only bone that I have to pick with the military...is that they forced me to be medically discharged...but other than that...medical care...benefits etc...I am more than satisfied.

[Redrob]

Don't confuse the policies of the US government with the people who serve.

They deserve a much better deal than they have received.

Some are the problems are the result of governmental policies and others are the problems of the individuals.

Not everyone can blame the military for being stressed out, drug/alcohol addicted or just plain crazy...it happens across the board in the population as a whole; just some vets have some additonal problems relating to their experiences in the military.

Yes, recruiters are sales people and some are good and some are not.

As with any deal, you should always read the fine print; especially, if you ass is on the line. A significant portion of enlistees wash out of their training and are surprised that they still have to finish their enlistments in another job.....surprise! You are now a cook.

Some enlistee washouts feel cheated when the real problem is their failure to apply themselves to the job at hand due to their lifetime slacker habits or they don't get it, can't get it, got injured, or changed their mind. In the military, you have to do your job, do it right the first time, and be consistent in performance. If not, people die. That is why the military is so demanding on performance and precision.

However, there is always an exception to any situation, right?

[Peaches]

That was how many years ago? They recently dumbed down the requirements because they couldnt meet goals.

This was in 2004. My son had to take a test and make a damn good score to get in. He broke his arm when he was 15 and had a metal plate. Because of that he had to get a medical waiver from the AF Surgeon General to get in. The AF is EXTREMELY hard to get into.

If you think it's easier to get in now than when my Dad went in in 1961, you are delusional. There were YEARS AND YEARS where they would offer criminals prison or the military. Now you have get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc. if you have a felony ANYWHERE on your record, even for the Army. I pointed this out in another thread where people were freaking out thinking we were letting in murderers when in reality it was folks that had something stupid like got in a fight when they were a kid and had zero criminal activity for years before applying and STILL had to get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc.

Go spend the day at a recruiting office some time.

[Azoy?]

Do you have respect for ppl that serve in the military? Or what?

Yep I do.
They should and deserve the highest respect yet unfortunatly when they come home the governments who send them there forget who they are.
My father servered in a few wars and I can tell you it ain't easy on either the family or the Soldiers.
To bad the governments treat them the way they do.

[Phil]

This was in 2004. My son had to take a test and make a damn good score to get in. He broke his arm when he was 15 and had a metal plate. Because of that he had to get a medical waiver from the AF Surgeon General to get in. The AF is EXTREMELY hard to get into.

If you think it's easier to get in now than when my Dad went in in 1961, you are delusional. There were YEARS AND YEARS where they would offer criminals prison or the military. Now you have get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc. if you have a felony ANYWHERE on your record, even for the Army. I pointed this out in another thread where people were freaking out thinking we were letting in murderers when in reality it was folks that had something stupid like got in a fight when they were a kid and had zero criminal activity for years before applying and STILL had to get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc.

Go spend the day at a recruiting office some time.

Horseshit. My friend who got in trouble when he was 19 (about 10 years ago) was given option of 3 years in jail or joining Marines.
I can’t even imagine whats going on right now.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Idiot.

I was one those who had no other real option at the time. At age I was drug addict, strung out, stealing loose change from my minimum wage job at a dry cleaners to get by. By chance I ran into a Marine Corps recruiter I know, and forty-eight hours later I was at Paris Island knowing that my father - and his father before him - had both died in combat as US Marines.

Every day of my life I am thankful that I joined. It gave the morals and values I have today, made me who I am, and I now know that I can do anything I set my mind to.

I never saw combat, so you don't owe me jack shit. But you're welcome anyhow.

Living in San Diego, loaded with active duty military (and retirees, too), I respect and voice my gratitude to any/all of them, and often. I belong to a running club that has lots of military folks of all ranks in it, many of whom have served repeated overseas tours ---I worry about them just like I did for my own soldiers when I was a Unit Commander with the 4th Inf Div during the enemey's Tet Offensive in Vietnam. No matter what politics you or I hold/feel, the troops are a cross-section of society who deserve our good wishes for their personal well-being; IMHO, they ARE America!!!

Dave

When your in the US military, you don't get to pick and choose who and when you fight. You serve at the pleasure of the President; You go when your told to go and you fight who your told to fight. The US military doesn't practice democracy, they protect it.

Fuckin' A...

I served six years in the Navy. Some great times and some shitty times, but that's the way it goes. I never served in combat, but saw friends die nonetheless.

Sure there are some dirtbags in the military, but there are some real heroes as well:

Never forget them...



ADG

[tony286]

This was in 2004. My son had to take a test and make a damn good score to get in. He broke his arm when he was 15 and had a metal plate. Because of that he had to get a medical waiver from the AF Surgeon General to get in. The AF is EXTREMELY hard to get into.

If you think it's easier to get in now than when my Dad went in in 1961, you are delusional. There were YEARS AND YEARS where they would offer criminals prison or the military. Now you have get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc. if you have a felony ANYWHERE on your record, even for the Army. I pointed this out in another thread where people were freaking out thinking we were letting in murderers when in reality it was folks that had something stupid like got in a fight when they were a kid and had zero criminal activity for years before applying and STILL had to get a waiver, letters of recommendation, etc.

Go spend the day at a recruiting office some time.

So when Vendzilla said "things in the military have changed, I've seen a lot of changes talking to my daughter"
Are you saying he is delusional ?

[Rochard]

not at all

they are merely puppets fighting for a countries capitalistic conflicts and gain.

these days they will accept almost any schmuck into the US military.
lets see how they attract these peons:
instant signup bonuses
pay your college tuition or put $ towards
advertising and appealing to minorities and the lower class
advertising on public radio, tv commercials, movie theaters, public billboards, etc.

the US military is designed to attract people with no other place to go, minorities, the lower class.

why should I give a person respect who solely joined the military bc they were going no where in life and signed their life away to the government to waste 4 yrs of their life for a petty $4k signup bonus for the Army?

not to mention how much army recruiters will lie to your face and on paper and do almost anything to get you to join. I went and took the ASFAB test when I was in high school for shits and giggles and my recruiter lied about me having ADHD on paper bc he said they would prob deny me if he marked it down, LOL!

God bless the troops!

:rolls eyes:

also take a look @ how the US military takes care of its vets. look up the # of vets that returned home from Vietnam to end up homeless. I believe the current stats is 1 out of every 4 homeless person has served in the US military. ?

What a fucking crock of bullshit.

I wasn't promised a signing bonus, college was the furthest thing from my mind when I signed up, and my four years wasn't a waste.

My best friend is former US Army; He serviced the nuclear tipped missile trucks in Germany during the late 1980s. He started to complain of constant headaches and then one day just failed to wake up. Turns out he had a condition called "water on the brain" which they believe might have been caused by radiation. He was operated on, given a shunt (a tube that drains water from his brain to his urinary track), and was medically discharged. He got a job at the post office, but after a few years his medical condition returned and he was unable to kept a steady job because of time missed from work. Since I've met him in 1990 he's had fourteen brain surgeries. All of his medical care was paid for by the VA, and he's a 100% disabled Vet.

I compare the medical benefits he gets from the VA for free for the rest of his life compared to what I'm paying $500/ month for at Kaiser and I don't see much of a difference.

I'm not saying the VA doesn't have it's share of problems; Any organization the size of the VA is bound to have problems. The cases you've seen on the news where things are bad doesn't take into account the millions of VETS who have never had some problems.

As for your stats that say 1/4 of all homeless people are VETS..... I also believe that 1/4 of Congress are US VETS also.

[theking]

That was how many years ago? They recently dumbed down the requirements because they couldnt meet goals.

Until recently their standards were quite high...but they do have...and have had...four tiers of enlistment requirements. When warm bodies are needed they reduce requirements to the fourth tier...but there is nothing new about that. All officers have degrees and many have masters and some have doctorates. Most senior NCO's have Associate Degrees...many have Bachelor Degrees...and some have graduate degrees. Until recently lower level personel were required to have Highschool Diplomas. Now GED's and less are acceptable...and some criminal convictions and medical conditions are being wavied...but during and since the 2nd World War this has been the case when warm bodies are needed.

[Peaches]

Until recently their standards were quite high...but they do have...and have had...four tiers of enlistment requirements. When warm bodies are needed they reduce requirements to the fourth tier...but there is nothing new about that. All officers have degrees and many have masters and some have doctorates. Most senior NCO's have Associate Degrees...many have Bachelor Degrees...and some have graduate degrees. Until recently lower level personel were required to have Highschool Diplomas. Now GED's and less are acceptable...and some criminal convictions and medical conditions are being wavied...but during and since the 2nd World War this has been the case when warm bodies are needed.

No, no, it's all NEW now. Hell, there are issues with getting homeschoolers in. You know, those idiots who win the spelling and geography bees and are generally smarter than the average public school graduate. I THINK some of the branches are letting in small number now, but it's a VERY small number.

If someone was offered jail or the marines recently, then the courts were willing to drop the charge and the marines wouldn't have known about it as it would not have shown as an active felony on any records. In addition, the person who made that offer broke the law. But hey, let's blame it on the military who ended up with someone lying on their application and if they required any kind of security clearance and even Great Aunt Ethel mentioned anything about a possible jail sentence, the Marines would have done what they could have to tracked the info down and probably toss the guy out on his ass.

I have no idea was Vend was talking about - I'd have to hear it from him before I came right out and said he was delusional But I can guarantee you something from Ven's mouth will always have more power with me than something from the mouth of those who only know about the military what they read and watch on TV playing armchair military members.

[tony286]

No, no, it's all NEW now. Hell, there are issues with getting homeschoolers in. You know, those idiots who win the spelling and geography bees and are generally smarter than the average public school graduate. I THINK some of the branches are letting in small number now, but it's a VERY small number.

If someone was offered jail or the marines recently, then the courts were willing to drop the charge and the marines wouldn't have known about it as it would not have shown as an active felony on any records. In addition, the person who made that offer broke the law. But hey, let's blame it on the military who ended up with someone lying on their application and if they required any kind of security clearance and even Great Aunt Ethel mentioned anything about a possible jail sentence, the Marines would have done what they could have to tracked the info down and probably toss the guy out on his ass.

I have no idea was Vend was talking about - I'd have to hear it from him before I came right out and said he was delusional But I can guarantee you something from Ven's mouth will always have more power with me than something from the mouth of those who only know about the military what they read and watch on TV playing armchair military members.

here Ill make it easy for you :
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