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stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14173949)
You're a fanboy. You have been from the very release of Vista. You're about as objective as a 13 year old girl talking about her favorite boyband.

Benchmarks show that on a vast majority of systems, Vista is much slower than XP. That's a simple fact. Denying it is much like denying gravity or evolution.

Vista has some major advantages over XP, but speed is not one of them. A few years from now, it won't matter, but right now, to most people, it does.

Yes cause as a Video Editor, Video Encoder, PhotoShop heavy user, Designer, I would not know if something is faster now than it was before right? And for your info I tested out Vista in beta on a dual boot for a quite a while. I COULD NOT do a full switch yet however due to the main programs I used were not ready yet. I WAS NOT a fanboy right off. However I do remember all this exact same crap when XP came out. There will ALWAYS be a little cluster fuck of hangers on telling everyone that the newest OS is crap and they will never switch.

I went from 14 hour encodes on xp crashing midway through for no apparent reason, to 14 hour encodes on Vista running and never crashing, and it being rare to have any program crashes at all. Stability for me is awesome, and the speed compared to XP for me is faster. My benchmarks are how often something wont fuckin work, and with Vista I rarely have a problem. All you anti Vista quakers keep quaking. Ill continue on getting my work done faster with less fuck ups than I had using XP. :thumbsup

stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14174034)
Sticky must of got the extra special version of Vista no one else in the known world has. lol

Maybe the whiners just whine louder than the supporters? Seems like some other thing hmm. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

tony286 05-10-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14174052)
Yes cause as a Video Editor, Video Encoder, PhotoShop heavy user, Designer, I would not know if something is faster now than it was before right? And for your info I tested out Vista in beta on a dual boot for a quite a while. I COULD NOT do a full switch yet however due to the main programs I used were not ready yet. I WAS NOT a fanboy right off. However I do remember all this exact same crap when XP came out. There will ALWAYS be a little cluster fuck of hangers on telling everyone that the newest OS is crap and they will never switch.

I went from 14 hour encodes on xp crashing midway through for no apparent reason, to 14 hour encodes on Vista running and never crashing, and it being rare to have any program crashes at all. Stability for me is awesome, and the speed compared to XP for me is faster. My benchmarks are how often something wont fuckin work, and with Vista I rarely have a problem. All you anti Vista quakers keep quaking. Ill continue on getting my work done faster with less fuck ups than I had using XP. :thumbsup

The crashes werent xp it was the premier pro you love so much. lol

polle45 05-10-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14174038)
First of all it doesn't. According to benchmarks it works much faster than Vista 64bit. BTW, I'm using XP64 and can tell you a lot about it. As about sayings "not really 64", "inferior" - that's a total bullshit. All XP64 code is 100% 64bit in a same way as Vista 64bit. All the kernel DLL's are 100% 64bit PE files - you can see it yourself if you analyze them with any PE-analyzer.

As a former system programmer, I can assure you that it's impossible to have a 16bit code in 32bit PE executable/DLL, and the same applies to 32bit and 64bit. You can't have 32bit code in 64bit library, because the same machine code will work different according to the memory model it's working in. E.g. a simple asm instruction "mov ax, bx" has a same machine code as "mov eax, ebx" but works different in different memory models.

BTW, XP64 wasn't build on XP32. It's a follower of MS Windows Server OS line.


Thanks, i'm not a programmer so i did not know all this, all i know is that where i work, they did not and will not start using XP64 because it was so poor, and i was told it was a hoodie solution, but i know that is not the case. :thumbsup

Still I could never go back - ones you've taken a week to learn to know Vista and all the little things, you simple can't go back when working, at least in what i'm working with!

stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14174069)
The crashes werent xp it was the premier pro you love so much. lol

Sorry but no. Happened more in Sorenson and Canopus Procoder 2. I normally just export to mpeg2 then use my 3rd party programs to compress with, except for h.264 .mp4 which I use the Main Concept plugin for Premiere cs3.

tony286 05-10-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14174057)
Maybe the whiners just whine louder than the supporters? Seems like some other thing hmm. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Im sorry I had to set up wireless at my aunts house and she had a brand new dell laptop with 3 gig of ram running vista.It was shit slow and clunky.Now if it was suckful doing nothing spectacular I cant imagine actually doing serious work with it.

polle45 05-10-2008 11:40 AM

Windows XP was first released on October 25, 2001
Service Pack 1 (SP1) for Windows XP was released on September 9, 2002
Service Pack 2 (SP2) (codenamed "Springboard") was released on August 6, 2004

XP was a mess untill SP2.

So i'll say Vista has a very stable starting point compared, and a great first year - at least in my book!

stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14174080)
Im sorry I had to set up wireless at my aunts house and she had a brand new dell laptop with 3 gig of ram running vista.It was shit slow and clunky.Now if it was suckful doing nothing spectacular I cant imagine actually doing serious work with it.

Hmm did you check to see what vid card it was running? Cause that is the bottle neck on laptops. Might have a fast processor and lots of ram, but if the video card on it blows then it will not run vista with everything enabled well at all. You are welcome to drive up and try out either my laptop or my desktop though ;) Do you REALLY think if my systems were running clunky or slow that I would stick up for Vista? lol [sarcasm] Yes you are correct I am standing behind an OS that is slow and clunky and doesnt allow me to do stuff I need to do.. [/sarcasm]

farkedup 05-10-2008 01:20 PM

I don't care what a few links say, the fast is superfetch using 3Gb+ RAM on vista makes your BASIC desktop things load faster. Anything intensive the extra RAM overhead of Vista kills any performance gains.

That said... Ubuntu 64 bit for me with XP as a backup OS for when I "need" windows.

stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by farkedup (Post 14174312)
I don't care what a few links say, the fast is superfetch using 3Gb+ RAM on vista makes your BASIC desktop things load faster. Anything intensive the extra RAM overhead of Vista kills any performance gains.

That said... Ubuntu 64 bit for me with XP as a backup OS for when I "need" windows.

Hey hit me on aim real quick. Ill try you again but you were offline last I looked. :winkwink:

Libertine 05-10-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14174052)
Yes cause as a Video Editor, Video Encoder, PhotoShop heavy user, Designer, I would not know if something is faster now than it was before right? And for your info I tested out Vista in beta on a dual boot for a quite a while. I COULD NOT do a full switch yet however due to the main programs I used were not ready yet. I WAS NOT a fanboy right off. However I do remember all this exact same crap when XP came out. There will ALWAYS be a little cluster fuck of hangers on telling everyone that the newest OS is crap and they will never switch.

I went from 14 hour encodes on xp crashing midway through for no apparent reason, to 14 hour encodes on Vista running and never crashing, and it being rare to have any program crashes at all. Stability for me is awesome, and the speed compared to XP for me is faster. My benchmarks are how often something wont fuckin work, and with Vista I rarely have a problem. All you anti Vista quakers keep quaking. Ill continue on getting my work done faster with less fuck ups than I had using XP. :thumbsup

Let me try and break it down for you:

Vista appears to be working well for you. That's awesome.

Vista is slower on most systems by far according to virtually every site that has been doing benchmarks. That's a fact.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Why does your positive experience with Vista cause you to doubt the thousands of negative experiences people have had with Vista?

Stop being a fucking fanboy. Realize that there are positives and negatives to everything. Accept that independent testing usually has some merit. How bloody hard is that?

I've noticed you doing it constantly on this board.
Vista? You're a fan. You can't bring yourself to believe that there might be anything bad about it
OSX? You're a hater. You won't accept a single positive thing about it.
Democrats? You hate them. Everything they do is bad.
Republicans? You love them. Everything they do is good.
Etc.

Newsflash: the world is not a football match, and you are not a cheerleader. The world isn't black and white, good and bad, pro and con. There are nuances to virtually everything. If you stopped cheering and booing for a moment, you'd notice that.

stickyfingerz 05-10-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14174394)
Let me try and break it down for you:

Vista appears to be working well for you. That's awesome.

Vista is slower on most systems by far according to virtually every site that has been doing benchmarks. That's a fact.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Why does your positive experience with Vista cause you to doubt the thousands of negative experiences people have had with Vista?

Stop being a fucking fanboy. Realize that there are positives and negatives to everything. Accept that independent testing usually has some merit. How bloody hard is that?

I've noticed you doing it constantly on this board.
Vista? You're a fan. You can't bring yourself to believe that there might be anything bad about it
OSX? You're a hater. You won't accept a single positive thing about it.
Democrats? You hate them. Everything they do is bad.
Republicans? You love them. Everything they do is good.
Etc.

Newsflash: the world is not a football match, and you are not a cheerleader. The world isn't black and white, good and bad, pro and con. There are nuances to virtually everything. If you stopped cheering and booing for a moment, you'd notice that.

Yup thousands say its slower. And everything on the internet is dead on the truth. My opinions are always based on my experiences. I dont see things in black and white. I am far from a cheerleader, but keep thinking that.

justsexxx 05-10-2008 03:45 PM

Using Vista since november, and couldn't be more happy. NEVER had a freezing system so far. It's fast too. And I like some additions compared to XP.

Only thing was that extracting zip files was pretty slow for me. Looks like SP1 fixed this issue.

I see no reason to go back to XP again. It's REALLY fast. But so is my computer. On my laptop(p4 3ghz 1gb ram) vista runs like crap, and I moved back to XP on that one.

GrouchyAdmin 05-10-2008 05:43 PM

I've used both. When I need Windows, I just use XP, despite having an install of each; it is familiar, and faster, as I don't need any lickable desktops and don't use all of the bullshit added to Vista that debuted in OSX 10.3. (Desktop picture and weather shit, I'm looking at you.)

TheMaster 05-11-2008 08:55 AM

bought a new laptop with Vista Premium 3 days ago, still haven't been able to make Dreamweaver CS3 or 8 to work on it, seriously thinking of installing a XP Pro on it

stickyfingerz 05-11-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster (Post 14176170)
bought a new laptop with Vista Premium 3 days ago, still haven't been able to make Dreamweaver CS3 or 8 to work on it, seriously thinking of installing a XP Pro on it

Run the setup, or the program itself as Run as administrator when you right click on the .exe

u-Bob 05-11-2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by polle45 (Post 14173778)
XP is a 64 hoodie pulled over 32 version, we all know how that works.

not really. Windows XP Pro X64 isn't based on the 32bit version of Windows XP. It's Based on the 64bit version of Windows Server 2003.

TheMaster 05-11-2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14176478)
Run the setup, or the program itself as Run as administrator when you right click on the .exe

tried it and about 8 other things, nothing works


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