CCBill vs Epoch - Affiliatesystem! - GoFuckYourself.com

GoNe · 05-06-2008, 07:52 AM

Who has the best affiliatesystem in place these days? Any one that has done some kind of comparison between the two?

Before it used to be CCBill but then I heard mansion made a new system for Epoch (Paycom) which to me looks a lot more user friendly then CCBill's system.

- What do you paysite owners use and why?
- What do you affiliates prefer and why?
- Other input?

DEA - banned for life · 05-06-2008, 07:53 AM

just dont use epassporte as a payment option !

CIVMatt · 05-06-2008, 07:58 AM

CCBill + CCBTools = win

blogman9 · 05-06-2008, 08:26 AM

ccbill

Tat2Jr · 05-06-2008, 08:27 AM

NATS with Epoch as first biller in the cascade.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-06-2008, 08:29 AM

Will be starting with CCBILL only , probably adding also paycom - so there will be more options and a basic cascade...

Then finally add and integrate the complete MPA3.

commonsense · 05-06-2008, 08:35 AM

CCBill over Epoch. Way more built in affiliates with CCBill.

Paul Markham · 05-06-2008, 08:53 AM

We will soon be able to offer the affiliate either one. They can choose which one they like the best.

Expect it to go live tomorrow, we are hours from finishing the testing.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com

Tanker · 05-06-2008, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

CCBill + CCBTools = win

Thanks Matt! CCBTools is doing really well so far for the programs that are using it.

GoNe · 05-06-2008, 10:12 AM

bump bump lets get some more feedback on the CCBill and Epochs affiliatesystems!

Hell House Vic · 05-06-2008, 10:16 AM

more info on CCBTools, please?

Hell House Vic · 05-06-2008, 10:21 AM

oh i get it... it's like an "affiliate program site in a box" for people who don't use NATS.

anyone here tried the ccBill "cascading" stuff? is it any decent?

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-06-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

oh i get it... it's like an "affiliate program site in a box" for people who don't use NATS.

anyone here tried the ccBill "cascading" stuff? is it any decent?

I don't think it's active yet.. I should know otherwise..

Chauncy · 05-06-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

CCBill + CCBTools = win

yep 100% best system out now with CCBtools

F-U-Jimmy · 05-06-2008, 11:22 AM

CCBILL rules . we use Epoch as secondary but affiliates dont do well with them

Tanker · 05-06-2008, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

oh i get it... it's like an "affiliate program site in a box" for people who don't use NATS.

anyone here tried the ccBill "cascading" stuff? is it any decent?

CCBTools is designed to plug into your existing affiliate program run on CCBill.com® It allows you to provide your affiliates with 15 different types of marketing tools and many more on the way.

Everything from traditional banners and galleries to the latest tools like embedded flash videos and hosted page peels.

You can check out the demo if you like at http://demo.ccbtools.com if you would like to see the admin demo please contact me and I will give you the logins.

As for CCBill Cascading to Epoch our clients have said nothing but good things about it.

Bhunter · 05-06-2008, 12:14 PM

I use.
Epoch - Ccbill (Cascaded)
Epoch as my primary processor.
Epoch shows you more affiliate statistics. (Mpa3 engine)

candyflip · 05-06-2008, 12:21 PM

Here's another CCBill affiliate tools script, should you choose to go that route.

http://www.adultscripting.com

hentaibee · 05-06-2008, 12:34 PM

whatever exoticgold is using is a splendid affiliate backend!

Hell House Vic · 05-06-2008, 01:07 PM

Tanker,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm interested in finding out how people cascade sales from ccBill to Epoch without using MPA3 or NATS. Is that possible for ccBill.

Also, I've already built my own backend to deliver sales tools to my affiliates www.kickasspays.com - does CCBTools have something to offer a person in my shoes?

candyflip · 05-06-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

Tanker,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm interested in finding out how people cascade sales from ccBill to Epoch without using MPA3 or NATS. Is that possible for ccBill.

Also, I've already built my own backend to deliver sales tools to my affiliates www.kickasspays.com - does CCBTools have something to offer a person in my shoes?

If you have both, and use CCBill as your main...I know they can set you up to handle cascading between multiple processors.

frank7799 · 05-06-2008, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Will be starting with CCBILL only , probably adding also paycom - so there will be more options and a basic cascade...

Then finally add and integrate the complete MPA3.

That´s just what I´m doing at the moment.

CCBill Paul · 05-06-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

Tanker,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm interested in finding out how people cascade sales from ccBill to Epoch without using MPA3 or NATS. Is that possible for ccBill.

Also, I've already built my own backend to deliver sales tools to my affiliates www.kickasspays.com - does CCBTools have something to offer a person in my shoes?

It is possible to cascade only using the CCBill system with our traffic manager (cascade) system. hit me up for more details.. paulk @ ccbill.com

CCBTools is a great program

DepravedPreacher · 05-06-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

It is possible to cascade only using the CCBill system with our traffic manager (cascade) system. hit me up for more details.. paulk @ ccbill.com

You can also cascade to CCBill using only Epoch's built in mpa3.

But, I am extremely disappointed with Epoch's back-end. The stats are sketchy at best, my tech contacts over there either do not know the system or leave the company. Either way, don't expect answers back about stats or linking problems.

If CCBill had reps at their cabana last summer at the X-Biz summer forum, I would most likely be with them right now and happy with the state of my affiliate program based what I hear and the number of affiliates that are already happily promoting CCBill sites. Unfortunately they were MIA and an Epoch rep sought me out and convinced me their system would rock.

The day after I signed my contract with Epoch he was fired/let go. That should have been my first clue that Epoch wasn't necessarily the answers for a first time affiliate program regardless of the hype.

CCBill Paul · 05-06-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DepravedPreacher

You can also cascade to CCBill using only Epoch's built in mpa3.

But, I am extremely disappointed with Epoch's back-end. The stats are sketchy at best, my tech contacts over there either do not know the system or leave the company. Either way, don't expect answers back about stats or linking problems.

If CCBill had reps at their cabana last summer at the X-Biz summer forum, I would most likely be with them right now and happy with the state of my affiliate program based what I hear and the number of affiliates that are already happily promoting CCBill sites. Unfortunately they were MIA and an Epoch rep sought me out and convinced me their system would rock.

The day after I signed my contract with Epoch he was fired/let go. That should have been my first clue that Epoch wasn't necessarily the answers for a first time affiliate program regardless of the hype.

If I can help you with anything please let me know.

Hell House Vic · 05-06-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DepravedPreacher

You can also cascade to CCBill using only Epoch's built in mpa3.

But, I am extremely disappointed with Epoch's back-end. The stats are sketchy at best, my tech contacts over there either do not know the system or leave the company. Either way, don't expect answers back about stats or linking problems.

If CCBill had reps at their cabana last summer at the X-Biz summer forum, I would most likely be with them right now and happy with the state of my affiliate program based what I hear and the number of affiliates that are already happily promoting CCBill sites. Unfortunately they were MIA and an Epoch rep sought me out and convinced me their system would rock.

The day after I signed my contract with Epoch he was fired/let go. That should have been my first clue that Epoch wasn't necessarily the answers for a first time affiliate program regardless of the hype.

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Just Mike · 05-06-2008, 02:57 PM

epoch all the way.

Rand · 05-06-2008, 03:22 PM

Epoch was the first billing company to offer its clients free cascading to alternative billers -and- (importantly) to track affiliate sales through to the alternative processor. Which, btw, we offer three different secondary options to accommodate as many programs as possible.

Additionally, we can (at the sponsors option) pay all affiliate commissions for the sponsor program including sales that were fulfilled by other billing companies and we do this for PPS and Rev-Share programs.

Further, Epoch accepts 14 forms of payment from your international surfers so you are likely to increase your foreign traffic sales.

DepravedPreacher - I'm interested in hearing more from you about what you would like to see in Epoch's back-end stats. Although they are fully functional now they are still in development and any constructive criticism is welcome. You can write to me directly if you prefer.

DepravedPreacher · 05-06-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

DepravedPreacher - I'm interested in hearing more from you about what you would like to see in Epoch's back-end stats. Although they are fully functional now they are still in development and any constructive criticism is welcome. You can write to me directly if you prefer.

I don't want to see anything but accurate stats. I won't air out all the stats issues here, but I'd be glad to forward all the email conversations I've had with your reps in regards to stats problems, which will show that there were not really any resolutions to any of them.

I will say that on 3/18 Lange said this, "Let me get with our programmers and take a look at this in the database." I have not yet heard back. In the past, I had to harrass Sean to get an answer for things, answers that never really resolved my issues. I had no desire to spend time harassing Lange in a similiar manner just to get more vague answers. Instead I've spent my time looking for billing alternatives.

05-06-2008, 03:55 PM

CCBill EU and they are great so far

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-06-2008, 03:56 PM

These days you need them both to process for you.

Gawd where do these fucking morons come from?

It never ends.

DepravedPreacher · 05-06-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

These days you need them both to process for you.

Gawd where do these fucking morons come from?

It never ends.

The question wasn't who is the best processor, the question was "Who has the best affiliatesystem in place these days?"

Either system allows cascading to the other, so the moron is you!

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GoNe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: unknown Posts: 2,892	CCBill vs Epoch - Affiliatesystem! Who has the best affiliatesystem in place these days? Any one that has done some kind of comparison between the two? Before it used to be CCBill but then I heard mansion made a new system for Epoch (Paycom) which to me looks a lot more user friendly then CCBill's system. - What do you paysite owners use and why? - What do you affiliates prefer and why? - Other input? __________________ buying domains 1 year or more in age. Adult related only. Email me at webmaster @ crazyvids.com

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Hell House Vic Pay to Cum Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nor San Diego Posts: 1,029	Tanker, Thanks for your reply. I'm interested in finding out how people cascade sales from ccBill to Epoch without using MPA3 or NATS. Is that possible for ccBill. Also, I've already built my own backend to deliver sales tools to my affiliates www.kickasspays.com - does CCBTools have something to offer a person in my shoes? __________________ Contact Me - ICQ: 206851710 eMail vic (at) hellhousemedia (dot) com 'Satanism is like Capitalism for teens' - Ty HellHouse

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Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	Epoch was the first billing company to offer its clients free cascading to alternative billers -and- (importantly) to track affiliate sales through to the alternative processor. Which, btw, we offer three different secondary options to accommodate as many programs as possible. Additionally, we can (at the sponsors option) pay all affiliate commissions for the sponsor program including sales that were fulfilled by other billing companies and we do this for PPS and Rev-Share programs. Further, Epoch accepts 14 forms of payment from your international surfers so you are likely to increase your foreign traffic sales. DepravedPreacher - I'm interested in hearing more from you about what you would like to see in Epoch's back-end stats. Although they are fully functional now they are still in development and any constructive criticism is welcome. You can write to me directly if you prefer. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance Last edited by Rand; 05-06-2008 at 03:23 PM..

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