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m0rph3us · 10-14-2002, 01:15 AM

I'm having a debate with a friend about hosting a paysite and plugin feeds on Cogent.

I've been in biz for about 2 years and dealt before with hosts back in the $200+/Mbit days and I'm trying to convince my friend that Cogent is NOT the way to go when hosting a paysite and plugin feeds that members & webmasters depend on.

IMO Cogent bandwidth isn't worth a dime because:

a. thier peering, speed routing & response can be shit depending on what part of the world you are reaching
b. they most likey will start enforcing push/pull ratios on the
c. From webhostingtalk: They use Looking Glass Inc for dark fiber and this carries them into the various datacenters that they offer service in. Then they peer inside of these datacenters. They usually do whats called Multi-Lateral Peering which means they connect to a public switch and peer with other providers who have "Open" peering agreements. Cogent does indeed buy transit, from a couple providers in a couple of datacenters. If the packet you send down their glass can not reach a "peer" on their network it will go out the transit pipe that cogent pays big money for (like any of us would, UUnet, Qwest, etc etc). Is this a good or bad way to provide bandwidth? Thats up to you to decide. If it was my packet I wouldnt want someone trying to pimp it out all over the country before deciding it needed to go out a costly loop.

Opinons?

strainer · 10-14-2002, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
I'm having a debate with a friend about hosting a paysite and plugin feeds on Cogent.

(snip)
Thats up to you to decide. If it was my packet I wouldnt want someone trying to pimp it out all over the country before deciding it needed to go out a costly loop.

Opinons?

This is basically info I'd love to hear too, i.e., real world cases of people who hosted a premium pay site with Cogent and what kind of results they had?

S.T.

ControlThy · 10-14-2002, 08:41 AM

Only a fool would host a paysite on Cogent bandwidth.

smashface · 10-14-2002, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us

a. thier peering, speed routing & response can be shit depending on what part of the world you are reaching
b. they most likey will start enforcing push/pull ratios on the
c. From webhostingtalk: They use Looking Glass Inc for dark fiber and this carries them into the various datacenters that they offer service in. Then they peer inside of these datacenters. They usually do whats called Multi-Lateral Peering which means they connect to a public switch and peer with other providers who have "Open" peering agreements. Cogent does indeed buy transit, from a couple providers in a couple of datacenters. If the packet you send down their glass can not reach a "peer" on their network it will go out the transit pipe that cogent pays big money for (like any of us would, UUnet, Qwest, etc etc). Is this a good or bad way to provide bandwidth? Thats up to you to decide. If it was my packet I wouldnt want someone trying to pimp it out all over the country before deciding it needed to go out a costly loop.

I think reason a is your biggest issue.

As for peering with others at places like PAIX - MAE East - MAE West, I dont think that is necessarily bad. It is usually to dump off traffic destined to the peer's network directly.

pr0 · 10-14-2002, 08:47 AM

cogent pimps out your packet

pimplink · 10-14-2002, 08:48 AM

Although I'm sure there are others, the biggest Paysite I can think of that is hosted on Cogent bandwidth is OLIVERKLOZOV.COM , they use Cologroup.

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
I'm having a debate with a friend about hosting a paysite and plugin feeds on Cogent.

I've been in biz for about 2 years and dealt before with hosts back in the $200+/Mbit days and I'm trying to convince my friend that Cogent is NOT the way to go when hosting a paysite and plugin feeds that members & webmasters depend on.

IMO Cogent bandwidth isn't worth a dime because:

a. thier peering, speed routing & response can be shit depending on what part of the world you are reaching
b. they most likey will start enforcing push/pull ratios on the
c. From webhostingtalk: They use Looking Glass Inc for dark fiber and this carries them into the various datacenters that they offer service in. Then they peer inside of these datacenters. They usually do whats called Multi-Lateral Peering which means they connect to a public switch and peer with other providers who have "Open" peering agreements. Cogent does indeed buy transit, from a couple providers in a couple of datacenters. If the packet you send down their glass can not reach a "peer" on their network it will go out the transit pipe that cogent pays big money for (like any of us would, UUnet, Qwest, etc etc). Is this a good or bad way to provide bandwidth? Thats up to you to decide. If it was my packet I wouldnt want someone trying to pimp it out all over the country before deciding it needed to go out a costly loop.

Opinons?

ZoiNk · 10-14-2002, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
Although I'm sure there are others, the biggest Paysite I can think of that is hosted on Cogent bandwidth is OLIVERKLOZOV.COM , they use Cologroup.

Actually, I just did a traceroute, and that isn't cogent bandwidth, that is level3.net bandwidth.

ZoiNk

Pipecrew · 10-14-2002, 11:19 AM

smashface · 10-14-2002, 12:35 PM

If you want to see an un-scientific rating of network providers, here is a site that has some comparisons.

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m0rph3us · 10-14-2002, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
Although I'm sure there are others, the biggest Paysite I can think of that is hosted on Cogent bandwidth is OLIVERKLOZOV.COM , they use Cologroup.

uhm traceroutes show level3 bud.

m0rph3us · 10-14-2002, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smashface
If you want to see an un-scientific rating of network providers, here is a site that has some comparisons.

Network provider stats

Cogent didn't even make the list

3Xguru · 10-14-2002, 01:03 PM

So what would be the best sollution on the market for hosting a paysite or a content plugin?

m0rph3us · 10-14-2002, 02:38 PM

host them on a tier-1 provider 3x.

m0rph3us · 10-15-2002, 02:39 AM

3Xguru · 10-15-2002, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
bump

Fletch XXX · 10-15-2002, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
Although I'm sure there are others, the biggest Paysite I can think of that is hosted on Cogent bandwidth is OLIVERKLOZOV.COM , they use Cologroup.

http://www.oliverklosov.com is most likely http://www.webair.com which most certainly is NOT Cogent.

Wiredoctor · 10-15-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

http://www.oliverklosov.com is most likely http://www.webair.com which most certainly is NOT Cogent.

Actually Olivers traces back to webaccess.net

In any case to respond to the original question of this threrad, NO Cogent is not a good choice for a paysite, actually for any site in my opinion.

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m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	Hosting a paysite/plugin feeds on Cogent I'm having a debate with a friend about hosting a paysite and plugin feeds on Cogent. I've been in biz for about 2 years and dealt before with hosts back in the $200+/Mbit days and I'm trying to convince my friend that Cogent is NOT the way to go when hosting a paysite and plugin feeds that members & webmasters depend on. IMO Cogent bandwidth isn't worth a dime because: a. thier peering, speed routing & response can be shit depending on what part of the world you are reaching b. they most likey will start enforcing push/pull ratios on the c. From webhostingtalk: They use Looking Glass Inc for dark fiber and this carries them into the various datacenters that they offer service in. Then they peer inside of these datacenters. They usually do whats called Multi-Lateral Peering which means they connect to a public switch and peer with other providers who have "Open" peering agreements. Cogent does indeed buy transit, from a couple providers in a couple of datacenters. If the packet you send down their glass can not reach a "peer" on their network it will go out the transit pipe that cogent pays big money for (like any of us would, UUnet, Qwest, etc etc). Is this a good or bad way to provide bandwidth? Thats up to you to decide. If it was my packet I wouldnt want someone trying to pimp it out all over the country before deciding it needed to go out a costly loop. Opinons? Last edited by m0rph3us; 10-14-2002 at 01:47 AM..

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