You don't think weed should be used as a recreational drug? If the person in question understands the psychological damage it could have but still wants to do it? I never understood that, let people put what they want into their bodies, as long as they are not being violent or robbing grannies I don't see why it should matter.

i say legalize everything. the money put towards fighting the drug war could be far better spent on rehabilition and awareness projects at a far lower cost. and the legalization of drugs would eliminate such a large percentage of violent gang related crime it isn't funny. dropping the law enforcement costs by a large margin too. people KNOW crack is bad for them, if you made it available at the drugstore, it's not like people otherwise unattracted to hard drugs would get the random feeling of "oh, i think maybe i'll try smoking some rocks today" if you're gonna smoek some crack, you're gonna smoke some fucking crack. that is that. keep people aware of the consequences, and help people who find themselves trapped in those consequences instead of fighting a multibillion dollar war that you cannot win.

at least that's my opinion on the subject.

Indeed, also they moan on and on about "drug related crimes", well there wouldn't be any if it wasn't fucking illegal. They go on about how gangs are making millions of dollars from drugs, well fucking legalise them. If drugs were available at a drugstore who is going to buy them from a dealer and fuel crime. I think the only reason marijuana is not legal is because you can't really tax it, it is so easy to grow there would be no point in buying the expensive taxed-to-fuck stuff of the government.

I wonder if the thousands and thousands of victims
of drunk drivers think alcohol is better than weed.

My brother got ran over by a drunk driver and drug
for half a mile before the driver realized that something
was wrong with his van.

I can tell you that i wished dude had been smoking weed
all day vs drinking.

If he had im certain my bro would still be alive.

He was my best friend. I was 9 then.

Roll that shit up :pimp

yeah if you dont mind working in the closet

:1orglaugh

That's a totally demagogic argument, is it not illegal not to drive under influence of ANY drug or if you are under meds? Is that not illegal to posses a gun if you are a psycho?


Yet people in general suck and they have no responsibility, one fuckin moron is on a rampage and your life will never be the same, so what does it now have to do with preaching the marijuana evangelium?

Would you want to ban cars if he was sober?

Next step will actually be that the potheds will try to persuade you that you have and had serious issues before and that you should't smoke it because you are not the gifted one as they are...

im sorry, but legalising everything? you have got to be kidding. if these things were easy to kid you would have kids doing heroin like they drink alcohol.

and infact i can't even begin to go into the depths of legalisng all drugs.

no offense, you raise some valid points, but stupid idea :2 cents:

LOL

I just imagined this surreal scene:

Imagine you walk in to a store and the salesguy goes:

"So what can I do for you?" I got some seriously great shit from Colombia - fresh of the plane!, or are you into heroin? Not many of my cusomers are left, good for you!

What would you want - a rookie package, serious shooter or a suicide package?

I got also huge discounts on crack!

Yes it's illeagal to drive under the influence & no
i wouldnt want cars banned if he wasn't drunk.

My point is simple. Chances are extremely way higher the
driver wouldnt have hit my brother if he was high instead
of drunk.

Answer me this... which 1 has more casualties alcohol or weed?

How many weed related casualties have you even heard of?
Probably can count them on 1 hand huh?

Any way, im not trying to debate with you or no one this
early in the morn.

Just stating my :2 cents: which we're all entitled to.

Luckily kids dont get drugs at all now.... phew... :1orglaugh

if a kid wants to do heroin, he is goign to go out and find heroin. and with an illegal market, the sellers could give a fuck less who is buying. legalization eliminates that illegal market. it is no longer profitable for dealers to compete with mainstream distributors. now of course they could get an adult to buy them their heroin like kids get people to grab them smokes, but no clean person is gonna go buy some kid their heroin fix. they're going to have to find a junky, which if they can find in the first place is going to get them them some smack legal or otherwise.

legal or otherwise, the people who want to do these drugs are going to do them. why not eliminate the number one cause of crime worldwide, and deal with the effects of the drug in a logical way, instead of pumping billions into nothing. legalization IS a sane option. you cannot win this so called 'drug war'. it will not happen. the best option is to give up fighting it at that level, legalize the drugs, and to deal with the addiction and addiction prevention on a grander scale.

Let's debate to make my saturday:

Yeah and what exactly does it have to do with the fact that people are not allowed to get behind the wheel while high?

Comparing alcohol consumption with the wheel consumption and the number of morons driving drunk and morons driving high on weed would be the input to base a serious judgement on, even if, what does it have to do with the fact that people shouldn't drive while beeing high? Is that better to drive high?

Btw. I know about one serious car accident based on weed from my own experience..

It's like saying I won't be shooting on you with a 45 ACP but only with 22, you will be way better off, you'll get much more chance to survive..

Let anyone shoot any drugs they want but let them bear the consequences,

You want to be dangerous? get into the car,

you want to be mental damaged? get high every day

You want to annoy people? get high and annoy people..

But be sure that you'll soon cross the border of beeing bearable, as regularly confirmed here, by the regular unleash of the marijuana evangelists hate for the outside world and pathological defying of any negative consequences of the marijuana use..

Well that's a discussion, you're always welcome to reply

You know what I would do if this was legal?

I would pay people with dope, cause they would be highly addicted I would let them work 12 hours a day to get their dope..

I would let every grunt get high and addicted, and would only keep a couple smart alpha people out of it to work things out..

Evolution in the history, wouldn't it be? Sorry dude this would never work out.. hit me up by the chance if it's still free I'll try to figure out how to push you some money..

Drugs were legal in the XIX century (and before) and "kids doing drugs" problem didn`t exist then.

QUESTION:

Have you ever met a serious junkie that would be reliable?

People are not allowed by law to drive high or drunk. True but people are going to do both & in my mind the one with the least freakin deaths make more sense to me.

Im not saying it's right just not as deadly.

Im not saying it's right just not as deadly.

you're relying on people who are already addicted though. you're not going to talk the average man into working 12 hour days for pay in crack cocaine. it's not like you're going to build a useful workforce out of crackheads and junkies. do you really want to hire a bunch of fucking crackheads to work for you for rocks? or would you sooner hire a clean man for the same cost who just wants a paycheck? that's a flawed argument against legalization. legalizing the drugs will not make the drug problem any worse off than it is already. anyone who wants to do some drugs is going to do them, and it isn't hard to find them if you want them.

the key is in prevention and rehabilitation. if a problem has no direct solution which can be achieved by fighting it, the best option is to control the result of the problem. so why is this not the stance taken towards the drug problem? illegalizing substances creates a massive underground industry, the majority of criminal activity and violent crimes committed worldwide is centered around this underground.

it's like trying to topple the tube problem. how do you do it? you eliminate the income stream. but in both cases, no one is prepared to do that, because someone with a certain degree of power over the situation is still profiting from the current state of it.

regulate the use of these drugs and their abuse just the same way you would with alcohol. deal with the result of the problem with more force, and save the energy, manpower, and taxpayer's money that is being sunk into this never ending pit known as the drug war and you will see better results as a whole.

i concur.. been a heavy user myself and it eventually makes you lazy (to the point where you dont even see it) paranoid AND it gives you panic attacks.

all the reasons i have essentially quit smoking weed. i'll puff a couple of bowls here and there for relaxation, but nothing like the chronic pothead i was a year ago. having essentially quit, i can say i think about 100x as clearly as a did beforehand, i breath clearer, and i'm not nearly as lethargic. it's fun, i still love my weed when i'm partying. but sitting around getting baked 24/7 puts you on the same level as the guy who sits and drinks his ass off every day. you're nothing any better than the average alcoholic, regardless of how much you still get done or how grounded you still feel you are. it's all about moderation, and knowing when is party time and when is worky time...

If that only would be that simple..

I know the question only from the side of the organized crime (meaning stats ha ha) and what I actually got is that states that run rehab programs or semi legalized the use for addicts such as Switzerland or Holland don't bring in better results than states with massive repression in terms of addicted users and crime rate...

Swedish experiment that semi legalized and tolerated the use actually resulted in booming of the amount of addicts, situation got out of hand and they had to get back to the repression again... remember it's not everyone who will get himself officially registered as a junkie.. beein addict is a disease, you don't want this be known.

Drug problem is a very complex thing and if you would ask me to propose a solution, I wouldn't really give it a try after I read about experience from people that fight it for years...

It's smoke, going into your body - it can't be good for you. There isn't any other type of smoke good for your body - cigarettes, smog, house fire... common sense should tell you that ANY smoke in your lungs isn't GOOD for you.

I suggest ingestion... eat a brownie, it doesn't smoke.

all in moderation... everyone reacts differently... etc, ad nauseaum... all true, though. there was a time in my life that I smoked joints instead of, and at the same pace as the cigarettes I was replacing (one extreme) to now, where an 1/8th will last me about a month... snap or two after work while I unwind... if I remember to dig the bong out of the closet or if I'm not too tired from the day. but I do like me a saturday morning wake and bake after a week of hard work. rewarding to me. :)

I have been an avid pot smoker for years now, and just over a year ago, I started to slow down. Not because I felt the effects (which I do now, not smoking nearly as much) but because it was hurting my fucking wallet, and lets be honest. We all prefer one type of green to another.
I was smoking over an 1/8th a day, and in LA, that'll run you about $75+..... daily.
Which works out to $27,375/year. ON POT?????!?! I can't believe the duckets that I've inhaled. Thats a fucking down payment on a dope condo in Hawaii!
I never thought that I would say weed can interfere with my progress, but I gotta admit, anything that will eat up 30G's, and disguise itself as a good time is not so good in my book.
Where as I used to walk around with a THC IV drip, I keep it to nights and weekends now. Days I don't have to do anything. And by anything, I mean ANYTHING.
I find myself writing "To Do" lists, and forgetting where I put them, and then finding a different list, (because I do this all the time, I am constantly coming upon old "To Do" lists) and every list says pretty much the same thing, which is the perfect example that weed has on the (my) brain.

To Do: (I usually make this the night before a fun filled day of pot smoking.....and nothing doing....)
Wake up
Make Coffee
Shower
talk shit on GFY
check news
straighten hair
get nails done (the only time I have to do this is on days off, so its always on the list)
go to the office (LA Direct, never for any particular reason)
PINKBERRY!!!! (always in capitals with exclamations....)
Smoke
din din

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I shouldn't be needing a list to manage these activities. Fucking pot. Why do you have to taste so good?!?!?! and provide me with hours of entertainment?!?!? Why can't you debilitate me like booze, or ruin my life quickly like cocaine??? WHY IS OUR BATTLE TO THE DEATH SO SLOW?!?!

whatever.....I'm gonna pack a bowl. I don't have shit to do today, except drive to San Diego, and if you know SoCal traffic, its about the only way to drive!

And I just got a rad new pipe, so I've been chasing the pink elephant. No.....puff the magic dragon? My own tail?
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what do kids do more ? drugs or alchohol.

its the latter due to the ease of use of getting it, both will fuck you up.. you sell drugs behind the counter and they will get it much more easier.

minioroty ~ majority.

im tryuing to keep this thread serious, so if your gonna make stupid posts like that again, put it in a contest thread and email me the link.

no. you make them legal, people think they are not the health risk they once were. thats just one of a million arguments.

I mean i can't believe i am arguing with u on this obvious point.

there are times when i have wanted to do coke on a night out, but havent done it simply because i couldnt get it and the next morning i go, thank fuck for that i didnt get it.
if i had been able to get it behind the bar at the club, i would probably have an addiction problem by now, i wouldnt be studying at university and i would be coked out of my head every night. how many people will be like me?

you can't just simply swish everyone in the same group by you definiltey wanting something or not wanting something.

heck being in the porn biz you should know what an impulse buy is.

i think you highly underestmate what people will do for money is this world, clean or not.


and if you think it would eliminate drug crime you are also kiding. the crime lords would go, but if you think they would go completly you are wrong, they would move into other markets

also junkies who run out of money would go start breaking into shops just like they do with alcohol shops now. infact it would be worse because the addiction is worse.

you would see alot more drug addict street crime.


i don't mean to be rude to you as its a good theory and your attacking it in the right way, but quite simply in practise it just wouldnt work. just try reading an microeconomics book. luxory goods etc.

You have just guaranteed a premium spot on my upcoming solo girls blog..

Weed is the best drug god ever invented. :)

That's exactly it, as far as something get's socially accepted that's where the real trouble starts - mass spread and with that way more people far away from recreational users.. therefore further degeneration of already super degenerated society..

Why alcohol and smoking kills so many people? because it's totally widespread and tolerated

Why puting it illegal won't work as in case of prohibition? because it's totally widespread and tolerated

Instead of fighting drugs we have succesfully introduced another drug to be totally widespread and tolerated, mind altering and with problematic mental affects while constantly used, as referenced above..

As confirmed by the case of Sweden or Switzerland..

I guess overally what I would probably vote for - decriminalisation of the possession or medical use, more impact on prevention, strict punishment for dealing

Legalisation won't really solve a thing.. it will just bring massive widespread thus more problematic cases ..

Said by a human - the biggest mess and failure god ever invented..

if we want to use the language of the marijuana evangelium ..

No judgement here. Most of us in this business are damaged in some way. Anyway, I don't know you and don't know anything about you, except you confess and type when you're drunk.

Fact: Alcohol is worse than weed in every way, and far more addictive. It kills far more people, and ruins many more lives. It is more available, more socially acceptable, genetic, pernicious, and an incurable disease.
Fact: Most alcoholics have multiple addictions: nicotine, caffine, pot, cocaine, even heroin. In AA, you meet them all.

Penny will you message me, I got pot... ok not really, well ya really do message me and I do have weed but it is not about that.

thanks for sharing

I smoke daily with no issues. I know my girlfriend gave it up cause it was making her paranoid and unstable. Is weed the devil no but its no angel either. Some people can smoke and have no ill effects and some people can't.

I would think this guy would be the biggest mess and failure God ever created, if he had anything to do with it at all. Humans are obviously the most intelligent animal on this planet, they are just easily influenced by people who create beliefs, no matter what they are.
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FACT: some people are just weak. if a little weed does this to you i suggest you give your life over to the lord because thats what weak people do. Oh and what the fuck is a "whitey"?

I'll totally message you!
you just have to show me how hahahahahhaha:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yahh.. I'm going to have to agree with the rest of the people in this thread.

You're an idiot.

Nobody cares about *YOU* and your experience with Marijuana newb.

Marijuana affects EVERYONE differently although it does contain similuar general affects for everyone it has a different affect on everyone.

Stop posting your opinion as if it is fact.

Desperate for anything
Anything I can use
A plea for drugs
An appeal from me to you
There is nothing you can do
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die...

See me failing, see me sprawling, see me...go through your purse
See me crying, see me dying, see me....ride off in a hearse

This is a plea for drugs
This is an appeal from me to you
There is nothing you can do
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die...

I'm pathetic! Yet magnetic!
That is until the drugs are gone
Then I am a total dick until I get a good load on
Don't want to fucking shoot myself, that would be a mess
I really should O.D. on junk, I think that would be best!

This is plea for drugs
This is a plea for booze
This is a plea anything
Anything I can use

A plea for drugs
An appeal from me to you
There is nothing you can do
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die...

This guy is 100% right

This is my first time hearing this. What does that mean?

It is different for everyone. It makes some of us more motivated where as others get lazy.

Whitey is a UK slang term for when you go pale in the face after smoking "too much" Cannabis and vomit. Often your vomit is very pale in colour too.

Whitey is normally performed by lightweights and people who cant handle their fucking weed.


I smoke so much weed I can't even get high no more. :(

That's where I was, it sucked. I was just smoking to smoke. I was polishing off an ounce every 4-5 days for almost a year straight. I was baked as fuck from the moment I woke up to the moment I went to sleep. There is such thing as way overdoing it.

smoke is bad for lungs.

any smoke.

but fuck man, the air is bad for your lungs these days, so pass it here.

I've been known to smoke a few joints, but it's not the first thing I think about when I get up.

To each their own.

shut ur piehole faggot

That does not sound like fun :1orglaugh

you make it sound like a lightweight of weed is someone who isn't "cool"

If I say smoking weed is bad then Ive been a very bad girl every night!