Now for the real tough question: In the age of Multiculturalism, where we are urged to "look past differences" and view all cultures as being "equal" is it really a bad thing to JUDGE people based on their cultural/racial grouping? Note that this does not preclude knowing INDIVIDUALS from certain groups but is it necessarily RACIST or BIGOTED for a person to make statistical judgments?

Why is it "racist" when a white business man avoids the "bad" part of town whereas a black cabbie is NOT racist for not wanting to go the same part of town? [this example actually occurred in New York]


This is another point, I believe, where Ignatieff's thesis of "white privilege abolition" falls apart.

Pimp, you're questions really seem contrived.

Anyway, it's not a priviledge for anybody to go to the side of town where walking the streets is unsafe, regardless of your color. If a black guy thinks that putting his life at risk is a privilege, he's lacking brain cells.

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=racist

rac·ism

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

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I believe that black people are faster on average than white people.

I thought it was a great question.

I don't think it is. If a white guy wants to avoid the 'bad' side of town that DOES NOT make him a racist. Why would that make him a racist? Avoiding danger doesn't make one a racist.

But that was the big brouhaha in New York when white cab company owners were saying that they do not want to have their cabbies in Harlem or Bed Stuy because of the high rates of robberies and shootings. They were then labelled as racists when, in fact, their own black cabbies insist on the ban staying in effect.

The same patterns are playing out re pizza delivery in some urban areas.

The question I posed may seem contrived to you but its really a rhetorical question--phrased in a way to show how ridiculous the notion of "race" is playing out in contemporary American culture.

me too..and can jump higher too

And don't tell me... they can eat more fried chicken than white people.

nah..probably that japanese guy that keeps winning the hot dog eating contest

Noooo. You have it mixed up. Black people LIKE fried chicken more than white people. Collared greens too.

Bill "El Wingador" Simmons, a white dude, owns the record for eating chicken wings. 143 in 30 minutes.

I've said enough. Some of my best friends are white and they like chicken too. I don't want to offend them.

LOL, you took the words out of my mouth:) I call them zebra babies:)

A black woman told me in hollywood, their is allot of interacial shit going on there...

Interesting. It doesn't surprise me that they were labelled racist. That's unfortunate. The fact is that not wanting to service particular parts of town because it would endanger your life, does not make you a racist. If the cabbies said that they wouldn't pick up any black guy needing a ride (say, in the nicest part of town) then I can see some legitimacy to the claim. But as it stands, one cannot conclude they are racist because they don't want to get robbed or shot on the job.

You are obviously in the wrong era. Perhaps one of Hitler's followers?

Betraying race? Shit I do it all the time, I guess. I think I would make you fucking sick right? Most individuals I date are from other cultures. Yes I date different races. Doesn't it make you want to just vomit? I can't even blame you personally for your thinking. It's the way you were brought up. It's the stereotypical views of idiots like yourself that make the term: Stupid escape from my mouth on a daily basis. Your ignorance makes me want to regurgitate. We are all mixed in some way. It's a proven fact. One race is not better than another race. Ignorant people have made it so. Stereotypical bullshit has ruined us for years. Each day I confuse people. I am a walking misconception. People wonder what category they can put me in, and then get frustrated when they cannot. But I will keep you in my ignorant category because that's what you are.

So interracial couples are "bad" because they betray their race?
I disagree with this. People are people, and can fuck who they want.
I'm in an interracial relationship, so let me just say :321GFY

This thread is fun. More, more!

Come on, let's hear it!

How has interracial marriages and children impacted our society?

Why do people complain about racial injustices, yet have interracial children just to put them through a similar hell? Is it because the racial injustices really don't exist, or because they're more concerned about the pussy than the welfare of their children?

Why don't minorities take advantage of the available resources that are provided to them ONLY and create a better lifestyle for themselves?

How can a single mother of 3 successfully hold down two jobs AND attend school, while a 22 year old man with no responsibilities cannot maintain average grades to fulfill his scholarship requirement?

Why are we, as a society, constantly trying to change people that don't want to change? Why don't people understand that others do not AND will not change for the better unless they hold the proper motivation within?

Why can't I buy a good burrito in the Mid-West?

Hmm... yes, hmm.

Then, the sooner everyone drops the subject, the better. Unfortunately, blacks seem ill inclined to do this. At least the Jews realize that there will always be people who don't like them. The blacks seem to feel that all is lost unless hatred for blacks evaporates entirely, and unfortunately this attitude just engenders more hatred. Talk of things like compensation for slavery just causes more resentment. Most white people are NOT descended from slave owners, could have their own grievances against slave owners (the existence of slavery drove the value of all labor down: Econ 101) and actually lost family in the Civil War. It's ironic that blacks, who supposedly want to end racism, so frequently refer to others by race.

Racism will end when everyone, including the blacks, drop the subject.

kill whitey

Racial injustices is not a reason to stop procreating. We can say the same for religous people. Christians who are persecuted should stop teaching their childired Christian values. Where would that logic get us? Nowhere. In some respects, interracial marriage may be seen as a way of combating racial injustices. A way of saying 'fuck you, there is nothing wrong with this so we're going to do it to spite you'.

There's no such thing as a "pure" race. Most of that Hitlerian bio-"science" crap re "race" has been disproven.

Unfortunately, the "social reality" of race is very much real. Its a political creation.

Hey UW,

I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, there are people who's entire careers are based on the perpetuation of "race." What will happen to Al Sharpton if people no longer believe in "race"?

Not all blacks feel this way though. I'm half black and Cherokee Indian and I was raised by my black mother. She taught me and my sister that everyone was equal until they showed otherwise, in terms of their character. You see not all black individuals feel that way. I'm glad my mother taught us that way. My sister on the other hand does not feel the same way I do about everyone being equal. She left home at an early age and made her own determination. Myself on the other hand am younger, and lived with my mom, and was molded by all races, because of my mother and her open views. I guess it's to each their own. I respect that, but when the views become warped and stereotypical then that's where it becomes destructive. :)

:( :( :( at this thread

So just because an interracial child might meet a few obstacles in life due to his/her skin color interracial couples shouldnt make babies? Why not ban ugly people from making babies as well so we can make sure their ugly children wont be picked on in high school.

Excellent idea! I've been arguing that point for years. We need to throw in stupid people too, oh and the mentally challenged, and disabled. Let's clean this place up!

retard:321GFY

All this talk about race sickens me Martin Luther King Jr. said he had a dream, man I have the same. we are created equal stop war or there will be no race on the planet.

Prove it.

What a load of crap.

What kind of warped reality have you been living in? "We" have not been created equal. But the weak whiners sure love to think so.

Survival of the fittest baby, flex those muscles.

Don't compare evolutionary processes with social/contextual/historical reality.

The Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians would have argued what you are arguing now....and we all know what happend to them.

Your confused.

I should have clarified what I meant. The "fittest" have good jobs (income), nice cars, nice houses, and for the most part are fairly happy with their lives. The "weak" complain, bitch, and moan how everyone "is" equal, all while jumping from job to job, riding the bus to work because their car is in the shop again, and scrambling to find rent money.

All men are NOT created equal. That's why we have geniuses, and idiots. If we were all the same, shit would get pretty boring. Luckily nature/genetics/whatever-you-want-to-call-it has a way of blessing individuals with uniqueness even compared to others in his/her own racial group.

We can't abolish race. It's here to stay. For many of us, it gives us identity. For some, it's the only identity they have. Others profit from it. Our entire political and socioeconomic system revolves around race, as much as some of us are too afraid to admit it, or are too stupid to see it.

Ya can't say, "one race is smarter than another", because, on an individual basis, it just ain't true. There are individual blacks that are smarter than individual whites. However, the fact remains that the NAACP has been trying to come up with an SAT test for years that blacks will score as high on as whites. I doubt it will happen any time soon.

Flame me and tell me I'm wrong, but you'll impress me a great deal more by proving me wrong, stopping your whining, and doing your part to show the world that stereotypes aren't accurate, and that your race is capable of advancing itself. Keep in mind that this won't be accomplished by asking for handouts, taking handouts, holding protest signs, or blaming everyone else for your problems and shortcomings.

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Excellent post! Anyone who tells you that all people are "equal" is only hurting you. Wake up, move on.

From the start, my dad always told me I was not equal and will never be equal to most people. BUT, he also said that I could "DO" equal, and even better, than most people if I just stuck to my guns and worked hard. Might have to work harder than most people, but that's life. Deal with it and move on, the results will be well worth it.

True.

LOL thanks for clarifying. Point taken:)

While that may be true, certain genes determine hair color, skin color, and facial features.

Certain groups of people have different skin colors and facial features to help them cope in certain environments. In fact there's an article about the evolution of skin color in the October 2002 issue of Scientific American, page 75.

I'll agree with you though, that Race is a very BROAD term since there are differences among groups of people within a racial group.

For example Filipinos, Chinese, and Japanese are all Asian but there are some distinct differences among them. Another example would be Greek and German, again there are differences.

Groups of people in similar regions will have similar physical appearances. Thus things like race start appearing to lump these people into certain groups. It is a social thing, I'll agree with that.

However you can say that a particular racial group USUALLY shares SOMETHING in common gene wise. Although it's also important to note that RACE is very broad too as stated above.

Indians for example are Asian, but they look totally different from Filipinos, Chinese, and Japanese. However Fillipinos, Chinese, and Japanese do share certain genes for skin color, hair color, eye color, and facial features. But each ethnic group also shares distinct differences.

That's my 2 cents on the subject.