Originally Posted by Azoy?

Dude you so out of it.
You would also attack if you were constantly hit with rockets, sucide bombs and people crossing the border to kill your innocent people. that's right innocent people not soldiers.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

get a fucken life asshole and know a little about what you say before you say it.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively, which had been captured by Israel in 1967 during the Six-Day War.[5]

Originally Posted by spunkmister

and the "ass kicking" as you call it wasnt immediate, it took years of "hide and seek" style combat...does the US have full control of Afganistan right now? How about Iraq?

Originally Posted by directfiesta

If Hamas had tanks and fighter jets, suicide bombers would be out of a job

Originally Posted by Martin

Why in the world would Iran dislike America and Israel and say that if attacked they would defend themselves? What reason do they have to be nervous?

Oh wait.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so the solution is to kill 100 times the innocent people ? great strategy



seems to me you are the one who doesnt know what you are talking about. How many civilians has israel lost in lets say the last 10 years ? now how many civilians has israel killed in the last 10 years . You are either really bad at math or blindly ignorant
( or perhaps a bit of both )

Originally Posted by Azoy?

how is it logical for him to say israel has repeatedly attacked its neighbours, killed innocent civilians ?.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

classic out of context quotes.

I have never heard or seen anything that states iran wants to eliminate isreal just because it is there. They have repeatedly warned that they would not sit idly by and be attacked , just as any country would. thats a big difference. israel has repeatedly attacked its neighbours, killed innocent civilians and defied the UN over and over again.





and isreal having nukes even though they arent supposed to would be "not a threat" ? thats silly logic..




who is "they" that says this ? all of iran ? wow , can you post this evidence please



your right , only america and israel can have nukes for protection lol anyone else it must be for diabolical reasons, how many countries has iran invaded/attacked in the last 10 years ? and how many has america and israel ? hmm so let me follow your logic.. countries that are openly aggresive are not a threat and countries that aren't openly aggresive are ?





by all means show us some historical examples of iran's bloodthirsty attack innocent people first attitude

Originally Posted by Isradude

Originally Posted by spunkmister

did they win that land during a poker game?

Originally Posted by Azoy?

no they didn't win it in a poker game. it was won in another war called the six day war.
In May 1967, Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had been stationed there since 1957 (following the 1956 Sinai invasion to allow for a free Suez Canal), to provide a peace-keeping buffer zone. In reaction to Israeli-Syrian tensions, Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border, closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel. In response, on June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt's airforce. Jordan, which had signed a mutual defence treaty with Egypt on May 30, then attacked western Jerusalem and Netanya. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

Don't fuck with me and I will not fuck with you

Originally Posted by Azoy?

math has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

you don't want our tanks in your backyard, stop sending suicide bombers, rockets and cross the borders to kill people.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

but don't come to me and complain that I am hitting you if you slapped me first.

Originally Posted by Isradude

Originally Posted by Isradude

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Seriously,. Hamas should STOP those rocket attacks completely ( serves no purpose ) , stop suicide bombers ( not well seen in the western world, even from supporters ) and release the 2 Israeli soldiers captured before the Lebanon invasion ( no point in keeping them prisonner ). That would give a jump start to the peace process as ell as prevent Israel from using the so-called " we got to defend ourselves " rhetoric.

Originally Posted by kandah

Leave Iran alone and all will be fine. Not that I would mind seeing the zionists gone though..

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

The reason of the invasion was energy (oil), pure and simple.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what exactly are you trying to say ? you cant answer any of the questions i posed ?


start with the first one and work your way down the list

Originally Posted by spunkmister

hamas use suicide bombers, Israel use tanks and airplanes....interesting how all the pro Israli guys always use the "casualties of war" reasoning...well then the Isralie civilians are also casualties of war...

so if the Isralie army dont go into palenstine with their tanks and planes with intent to kill, then what are they in there for? to put on a parade?

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so the solution is to kill 100 times the innocent people ? great strategy

Originally Posted by spunkmister

did they win that land during a poker game?

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

gee perhaps because it is true..

Originally Posted by Azoy?

and there goes another hater.
see that is the difference.
israel or it's people never state publicly the destruction of iran or it's people yah at many times it was the opposite way around.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

?death to America and to Israel?


In truth, you need to ask yourself why have the jews been kicked out, persecuted, or murdered in every country throughout history?

Originally Posted by kmanrox

yeah, gas prices sure have tumbled since we invaded!

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yes it does actually , you are trying to say israel killing civilians is somehow different than people killing israeli civilians. you dont make any sense.

No that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that Israel doesn't go in with the intension of killing civilians. It happens because groups like Hamas hide in civilians zones. Hamas on the other hand targets civilians not soldiers or the military itself.

you don't want suicide bombers, rockets and cross border attacks , perhaps you should stop killing innocent people with your tanks.. gee who woulda thought.

We would not have to go in if they stoped killing civilians and stoped hitting Israeli targets like night clubs and buses.

thats exactly how they feel , they feel they got slapped first, you feel like you got slapped first , most RATIONAL people understand that you dont slap people just because they slapped you first , especially when nobody knows or cares who slapped first ..

So you saying Israel should continue taking it in the ass no matter how many times they hit ?

Do you have children ? if your kid got his eye poked out do you teach your kids to poke someone else's eye out in retaliation ?

No but you bet the teacher will hear about it and so will the kids father.
But who can you sit with on the table to discuss peace when all they say is that they want the people of Israel distroyed.

you do remember how the old " eye for an eye" saying ends right ?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

?death to America and to Israel?

Well let's talk about Israel a bit here. First, how did we Americans get mixed into your regional problems? Second, not only do we send billions every year to Israel, but we also send billions to your neighbors to leave you alone ie., Egypt and Turkey. When you say you make the best weapons and we "trade" technology it's not the truth. In 1991 when scud missiles were raining down on your country we sent the "new" patriot missile system to protect the people of Israel. Then 2 years later Israel gets caught selling PMS technology to China and sadly this is NOT the first time Israel has been caught selling our technology. The US congress finally got some balls and stood up against the Israeli lobbyists and passed a law that Israel will NEVER see the F-22 raptor with the star of David on it.

In truth, you need to ask yourself why have the jews been kicked out, persecuted, or murdered in every country throughout history?

Originally Posted by spunkmister

"pre emptive" strike? so looks to me Israel attacked first....how is that not starting a war?

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Guess you choose to ignore the rest of the paragraph where it stated the following

1. Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had been stationed there since 1957 (following the 1956 Sinai invasion to allow for a free Suez Canal), to provide a peace-keeping buffer zone.
2. In reaction to Israeli-Syrian tensions, Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border,
3. Closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel.

Would you lie sitting down when equipment and boats can not get into your country to supply it with goods that people require to survive ?
Lets see what happends if any country had it's goods stoped at sea by another country just because. That my friend is an agression and some may consider an act of war.
Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by kmanrox

yeah, gas prices sure have tumbled since we invaded!

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Who started fucking with who first ?

Originally Posted by spunkmister

Doesnt the Isralie government control goods into palestine? Did they not freeze assests? Dont they regulate food and fuel? Its a wonder the people are frustrated...

you can argue this back and forth...go back in history to see who started what etc etc but just like all the other radicals all the pro Isralie guys are just as guilty of not seeing that they are also a part of the problem...the blame doesnt just go to one group.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Sometimes we need to be at war, this is not one of those times. The middle east war and war on global terrorism is creating more terror than we ever previously had, and it will continue to do so. The war will never end until we fully withdraw from the now occupied lands that they consider stolen and/or holy. It's pretty simple logic since they have told us for the last 20 something years they would stop if we would leave.

We should not be at war with Iraq at all and we should not have invaded an entire country looking for one man and his group.

We can't play world police, we can't fight a global war on terrorism, we can't continue to finance a war on dept, period. By supporting this war or any war, right now, you are supporting the murder of your own country. Wake up.

Originally Posted by baddog

Guess I never realized you were a racist.

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Ahhh Israel

Poor poor Israel

One day the Israeli people will see why you can't just lie to the rest of the world. They will see why when you commit numerous violations of UN resolutions the world will no longer back you. They will see why when you steal, cheat, kill and murder innocent civilians the world will no longer support your illegal claim to any land.

What a sad time it is for Israel, you are losing your control of the media, literally the only thing that has kept the rest of the world from turning on you, and it is only a matter of time before Israel takes its place as an illegally founded and illegally occupied religious state and its leaders pay for what they've done.

Only a matter of time

Occupation101.com to see some FACTS from an award winning movie, NOT a biased movie, and people with great credentials both Israelis and others talking about whats happening.

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Occupation101.com to see some FACTS from an award winning movie, NOT a biased movie, and people with great credentials both Israelis and others talking about whats happening.

Originally Posted by Isradude

always fought (and won) our own wars ....

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Probably the best argument I heard so far in this thread but do you think the new president will do anything about it ?
That is a tough call cause if you pull out you look like you gave up on things and leave them in the middle of disester and if you stay you are staying and also causing problems.
No real easy answer.

Originally Posted by baddog

So you think Israel should just keep turning the other cheek?

Originally Posted by baddog

It is not Israel's fault that Hamas hides out in civilian neighborhoods, using civilians as shields.

Originally Posted by baddog

Attack and retaliation are not the same thing.

Originally Posted by kmanrox

yeah, gas prices sure have tumbled since we invaded!

Originally Posted by baddog

Guess I never realized you were a racist.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

how is attacking and killing civilians "turning the other cheek" ? the expression means you dont do anything in return , this of course wouldnt be a very good expression to use on israel as they haven't done that.





then i guess its not hamas's fault israel does the exact same thing, if my neighbour had a cannon that shot 200 ft and i lived 190 ft away , i would move 11 ft further.


What are you smoking ? You really believe israeli soldiers are hiding between civilians like Hamas is doing ?




so who is doing the attacking and who is doing the retaliation ?

seems to me they are both retaliating each others attacks. the problem is nobody can agree who started the attacking and they both claim they are retaliating. What we can agree on purely by math is that israel has killed more civilians by leaps and bounds.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

True to a point, but also remember America is the largest consumer and producer of oil per country.

Also, he who has them most military technology dictates the world.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Did you see this today ?
Iran would 'eliminate Israel' if attacked according to the army general in that country. I wonder what they mean by attacked and how they define it. Maybe they are trying to find a reason to go to war.
I mean this country is totally fucked up.
Instead of Iraq, Bush should have gone after Iran.
It is not the first time they say such a statement.
One thing is for sure, if Iran is going to try something Israel will nuke it with the nuclear weapons that do not exsist and we will all pay 12 dollars a gallon in gas.