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SteveLightspeed · 10-11-2002, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by ColKurtz
Why not just email a request to the webmasters to transfer the domains instead of threatening with a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo from the get go.

If you've ever hired a lawyer, you'd understand that they cannot even say "hello" in under 500 words.

It was much more cost effective to blast the same email to everyone (over 50 went out tonight, also going after lightspeed university, lightspeed sorority, and lightspeed media squatters) -- he used the same form for all

redshift · 10-11-2002, 09:05 PM

so do you consider tawneestone-sucking-big-nasty-donkey-cock.com

harming her name?

Mr.Fiction · 10-11-2002, 09:05 PM

Lightspeed is in their rights, but they don't necessarily have to do this to protect their trademark, as long as you are promoting their site.

Pfizer, who has a hell of a lot more lawyers and money than any adult company, allows people to keep Viagra domain names (maybe "allows" is too nice, they "don't usually threaten to sue") as long as they are using them to sell Viagra. If you use a Viagra domain name but don't promote Viagra on the site, then they will come after your ass.

So, while it is within their rights to do so, Lightspeed does not have to do this - they could simply go after people with the domain that aren't promoting their program.

We have dealt with WIPO and spending $5000 a pop to get the domains back, and pissing off your affiliates, is probably not going to be worth it. You would do better to focus your efforts on the people who are using your marks to promote other products or services or programs.

If they are using your mark in a domain but not promoting your program, then by all means kick some ass.

Dax · 10-11-2002, 09:20 PM

Technically you can clean your ass with that C&D as they do not legally own the TM/SM

http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?...ate=vse1fi.7.1

Not that u should do that.. cuz we all know that is their work and their girl.. but LEGALLY you are in no problems.... yet..

[MistaT] · 10-11-2002, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Um, crazy as this sounds -- its Friday night, and I'm not working....

Email [email protected], he is VP of Ops for Lightspeed, he can give you instructions.

Thanks for toning down the hate.

Steve

dont get me wrong i still hate u

its just its 5.27 am here and im too tired for agression

BobChezule · 10-11-2002, 09:33 PM

Lightspeed is just protecting their trademark. The way trademark law works, they are liable to lose the trademark on Tawnee Stone if they don't make efforts to protect it. It doesn't mean they're going to sue people, and you'd probably be able to swing a deal with them if you tried to contact them instead of cowering in fear at the sight of a lawyer's letter. Try contacting the folks at lightspeed and telling them you're sending them traffic and making them money, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to let you keep the site up.

MikeEP · 10-11-2002, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Instead we are simply asking that the domains be transferred to us, and we in turn license it back to you (for free, forever)

Interesting move. A lot of these people have worked hard to get domains and worked harder to position themselves via SE to promote your program. Taking away their domains seems like a big slap in the face. Even though you plan on letting them lease their domains back to them for free, the point is the principle of the matter. Now you have big brother brother watching.
Besides, what else can you go with Taween Stone domain but promote tawnee stone?

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on the condition that you only use tawnee's name to promote tawnee, and that you do nothing to harm her name.[/B]

Ok no disrespect, but now I'm curious on your thoughts....
How can anyone possily harm a "pornstars" name? She's a pornstar...how can you possibly do anymore damage or ruin her name even more?

Sly_RJ · 10-11-2002, 09:44 PM

Whoa, wait a minute! Does this mean you guys will buy me some Tawnee domains so I can promote her? Suhweet! This isn't so bad after all. I found several just the other day that I wanted.

I'll be sending you a list of about 3-5 domains shortly.

Thanks!

SteveLightspeed · 10-11-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeEP

Ok no disrespect, but now I'm curious on your thoughts....
How can anyone possily harm a "pornstars" name? She's a pornstar...how can you possibly do anymore damage or ruin her name even more?

You may not realize this, but Tawnee is not a pornstar. No movies, no Dvds, she's never worked as a stripper, or an escort, and actually, she's only fucked one guy (her boyfriend since she was 16). But she is a popular teen internet model.

So if someone says "watch Tawnee in her first inter-racial gang bang" -- does that not portray her in a false light?

And your other question, "what can you do with a tawnee domain that doesn't promote Tawnee?" --- here is a perfect example if a guy whose life is about to be miserable

http://www.psychosluts.com/tgp/teen/teentawnee51.htm

SteveLightspeed · 10-11-2002, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Whoa, wait a minute! Does this mean you guys will buy me some Tawnee domains so I can promote her? Suhweet! This isn't so bad after all. I found several just the other day that I wanted.

I'll be sending you a list of about 3-5 domains shortly.

Thanks!

Lol, good one.... its kinda like russian roulette, you sure you want to play?

Sly_RJ · 10-11-2002, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed

Lol, good one.... its kinda like russian roulette, you sure you want to play?

Ok, explain this please...

Several of us here push sponsors and sites through search engines. You have to love the traffic, it converts well AND retains. Now, when people promote sites through search engines, often times they find domains with the site(s) name or similar names within it. As I mentioned earlier, it makes things much easier.

Example: I buy tawnee-stone.com. Now, since it has her name in it, I have absolutely no problem promoting her and only her on that domain. BUT, now I can't buy that domain. Instead, I buy amateur-teen-pussy.com, which I can do anything I want with. I'm not going to devote a domain like this to one girl, no chance in hell. It would be much more beneficial to use this domain promoting several different sites: amateur, teen, single girl, anything. Tawnee does decent for me, so I decide to promote it on this new site. Again, I'm not devoting this site to her, that would be stupid. So I build one average size gallery of her and throw it up. With all the search engine traffic, this particular gallery will send you about 20 hits a day. The site, as a whole, sends out 200. That's 200 hits a day that you won't be getting simply because I can't buy a Tawnee domain.

You said that you would buy Tawnee domains from people and give them a license. Great. I want to push Tawnee on the engines but I want a domain for her. You won't let me buy one, and you won't buy me one. Uh...

Patiently awaiting your solution.

Pipecrew · 10-11-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed

You may not realize this, but Tawnee is not a pornstar. No movies, no Dvds, she's never worked as a stripper, or an escort, and actually, she's only fucked one guy (her boyfriend since she was 16). But she is a popular teen internet model.

So if someone says "watch Tawnee in her first inter-racial gang bang" -- does that not portray her in a false light?

And your other question, "what can you do with a tawnee domain that doesn't promote Tawnee?" --- here is a perfect example if a guy whose life is about to be miserable

http://www.psychosluts.com/tgp/teen/teentawnee51.htm

ahaha, did you guys find that gallery from the email i sent you? It stood out since the idiot sent in a picture gallery to my Moviepost so I sent it over

Aussie Rebel · 10-11-2002, 10:25 PM

[MistaT] you should of just emailed lightspeed instead of bringing this shit to the boards, They are a great bunch of guys and will bend over backwards to help there affiliates, I handed my domain over a month ago and I still use it at No cost, just email them mate and they will sort it all out with ya.
Cheers
Aussie Rebel

p1mpdog · 10-11-2002, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew

ahaha, did you guys find that gallery from the email i sent you? It stood out since the idiot sent in a picture gallery to my Moviepost so I sent it over

Basically you are kissing lightspeeds ass by ratting out someone?
nice.

MikeEP · 10-11-2002, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed

You may not realize this, but Tawnee is not a pornstar. No movies, no Dvds, she's never worked as a stripper, or an escort, and actually, she's only fucked one guy (her boyfriend since she was 16). But she is a popular teen internet model.

You know that, i know that, but does the average surfer know that? I got the feeling that the public perception of her was important to you...as it should be.

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[/B]
So if someone says "watch Tawnee in her first inter-racial gang bang" -- does that not portray her in a false light?
[/B]

Yes, you are correct. I have to admit that i agree with you as i see this happening quite often. Especially with ARS sites.

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And your other question, "what can you do with a tawnee domain that doesn't promote Tawnee?" --- here is a perfect example if a guy whose life is about to be miserable

http://www.psychosluts.com/tgp/teen/teentawnee51.htm

Yes, thats fucked. But that's on a tawnee stone domain? I see your point as any sponsor would would be obviously pissed at their content promoting another site. Every sponsor has that problem.

Still a tough call on the domain issue though. If i'm not mistaking, you guys would the first sponsor to start enforcing this. I still can't say i fully agree with the action, as it's the honest webmasters who would most likey still be offended.

Regardless, i don't believe it's a trust issue, as you guys run a very respectable program and a tight ship. I think it's more of a principle issue to the honest webmasters making you guys money....and who have worked hard on positioning their domains on the search engines.

Either way, I hope it works out for the best interest of you and your affiliates. Keep up the good work on the program.

MikeEP · 10-11-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdog

Basically you are kissing lightspeeds ass by ratting out someone?
nice.

[edited..not even worth a response]

Pipecrew · 10-11-2002, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdog

Basically you are kissing lightspeeds ass by ratting out someone?
nice.

I am not even a lightspeed affiliate you dumb shit, I'd expect the same courtesy if someone was using my paysite content for galleries

Dax · 10-11-2002, 11:00 PM

She looks so illegal.. and so underage.. There is the key to her popularity!

Steve who and how did u find her?

Rochard · 10-11-2002, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by BobChezule
Lightspeed is just protecting their trademark. The way trademark law works, they are liable to lose the trademark on Tawnee Stone if they don't make efforts to protect it. It doesn't mean they're going to sue people, and you'd probably be able to swing a deal with them if you tried to contact them instead of cowering in fear at the sight of a lawyer's letter. Try contacting the folks at lightspeed and telling them you're sending them traffic and making them money, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to let you keep the site up.

Bob hit it right on the nose. If we don't make efforts to protect our tradmark we run the risk of loosing it. Every day I get emails about people using Tawnee's pictures without our permission. Even Adultfriendfinder has someone using Tawnee's picture in their profile; A major newspaper in Seattle had a full page ad using Tawnee without out permission.

No one is going to loose their domain over this issue. All we are asking is for these domain names to be transferred over to us, and then it's business as usual.

Dom · 10-11-2002, 11:20 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dax
[B]She looks so illegal.. and so underage.. There is the key to her popularity!

Yep... They are making money from a lot of pedophiles and child abusers ...
The teen niche is so twisted and wrong when you think about it

nocostporn · 10-11-2002, 11:48 PM

http://www.tawneestone.de/

not mine,but acceptable?...has a lightspeed banner up but most of the page is other sponsors...and of course the domain

Kingfish · 10-11-2002, 11:54 PM

Ok here is where I get confused. Not too long ago you had a set for sale at Coconut Content that featured both Rachel and Tawnee. If I had bought that content set could I not buy a Tawnee domain and promote another site besides Tawnee.( Rachel?s revenge comes to mind) Legally speaking haven?t you let the cat out of the bag so to speak by licensing some of her images to Soul Cash and to anyone that purchased them through Coconut Content?

Mr.Fiction · 10-12-2002, 12:04 AM

This issue is not cut and dried. The domain that Madonna won was Madonna.com - not MadonnaX.com. Some celebs have won in the courts and arbitration and some have lost. There are no sure things in these cases.

Tawnee Stone would need to have a registered trademark on her name to actually have a decent chance of winning against a good domain lawyer. Second, only someone with a legal basis for filing a complaint could do so. Just because Lightspeed has a Tawnee site doesn't mean they have a legal right to sue other people with a Tawnee site. They may in fact have the proper authority to represent her, but courts and arbitration are very specific about who can bring complaints.

Domain law is something we deal with quite a bit and I still think the Lightspeed crew is jumping the gun by going after their own affiliates. This can cause more trouble than you think, especially because their trademarks appear to be pending. That means that someone who wanted to be an asshole could go and cause big problems for them with USPTO if they wanted.

I understand why they're doing what they're doing, and it's certainly their right, but I question how it's being handled, especially in regards to their own affiliates.

Backov · 10-12-2002, 01:59 AM

Here's something I thought was funny.. Lightspeed is lawyering people for Tawnee Stone TM violations..

One of his sites is "Max Softcore"

Cheers,
Backov

Ted · 10-12-2002, 03:42 AM

I just bought 200 tawnee domains and lightspeed is going to renew them forever muhahahahahahahaha

GFED · 10-12-2002, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Backov
Here's something I thought was funny.. Lightspeed is lawyering people for Tawnee Stone TM violations..

One of his sites is "Max Softcore"

Cheers,
Backov

sarcasticbastard · 10-12-2002, 04:24 AM

I owned misscleosucks.com once upon a time and used it to promote another pyscho sponsor. Had I been using it to promote misscleo they could not have touched me as far as cybersquatting laws are concerned. regardless we took this issue to icann and I did lose and turned the domain over to them.
It was fun for three months though.
also there are work marks and trade marks. one does not have to register a work mark if it is being used and has been used for some amount of time and that work mark is known nationally or internationally as was the case with misscleo due to her advertising around the world on television.

from what I can gather here if you use your domains to promote tawnee exclusively they can't touch you and turning your domains over would be dumber than hell. your not in violation of any icann rules although they do not state everything you need to know as it was the work mark thing that caused me to lose my domain although I researched this thing extensively that bit of info was not clearly stated in their rules.
please note all I refer to here are cybersquatting violations. If you do not offer to sell the domain to lightspeed or use it to promote anyone other than tawnee you have done nothing wrong.
this whole deals reeks of strong arm tactics and I think you should all go fuck yourselfs.
ltrz
the owner of the http://www.ahahahaha.com board

Brad Mitchell · 10-12-2002, 07:19 AM

Nevermind.

Sly_RJ · 10-12-2002, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ok, explain this please...

Several of us here push sponsors and sites through search engines. You have to love the traffic, it converts well AND retains. Now, when people promote sites through search engines, often times they find domains with the site(s) name or similar names within it. As I mentioned earlier, it makes things much easier.

Example: I buy tawnee-stone.com. Now, since it has her name in it, I have absolutely no problem promoting her and only her on that domain. BUT, now I can't buy that domain. Instead, I buy amateur-teen-pussy.com, which I can do anything I want with. I'm not going to devote a domain like this to one girl, no chance in hell. It would be much more beneficial to use this domain promoting several different sites: amateur, teen, single girl, anything. Tawnee does decent for me, so I decide to promote it on this new site. Again, I'm not devoting this site to her, that would be stupid. So I build one average size gallery of her and throw it up. With all the search engine traffic, this particular gallery will send you about 20 hits a day. The site, as a whole, sends out 200. That's 200 hits a day that you won't be getting simply because I can't buy a Tawnee domain.

You said that you would buy Tawnee domains from people and give them a license. Great. I want to push Tawnee on the engines but I want a domain for her. You won't let me buy one, and you won't buy me one. Uh...

Patiently awaiting your solution.

Could someone from Lightspeed please answer this or assist me in a possible solution?

SteveLightspeed · 10-12-2002, 10:20 AM

Sly_rj

Please contact me via icq 27295695

thank you

FATPad · 10-14-2002, 09:16 AM

So what's the final deal with this?

If you contacted the sponsors in advance and they told you to go ahead and buy the domain as long as you used it solely to promote their sites, you can keep the domain?

auscguy · 10-14-2002, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Spliceragain
I don't know what's all the excitement about Tawney Stone, she's not hot at all.
At best she is average.
I wouldn't give her the time of day if I saw her on the street.
Not that she would ask, but still.

Tawnee is a little hottie, GORGEOUS smile

Just a shame every weeks update has the same poses just in different outfits

jimmyf · 10-14-2002, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Well, it may seem like a dumb thing to do, but you can lose a trademark to public domain if you don't register and defend it.

This is correct...it happened to Intel some years ago.
Sorry Intel did not loose a Trademark... They lost a copyright.

FATPad · 10-23-2002, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
So what's the final deal with this?

If you contacted the sponsors in advance and they told you to go ahead and buy the domain as long as you used it solely to promote their sites, you can keep the domain?

Looks like I got my answer.

Gotta love a sponsor who okays the use of domains in advance then sicks their lawyers on you, calls you a squatter, and tells you that you're trampling on their goodwill. LOL

Triple20 · 01-01-2003, 12:43 PM

I dont really see the problem
i opened up www.tawneestone-club.com

i was planning on building a new sort of avs on it
with sponsor content of lightspeedcash

Lightspeed has let me now he dont like it at all

But when i do a checkup on trademarks:

Typed Drawing

Word Mark TAWNEE STONE
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment services, namely, providing adult-oriented entertainment and information via global computer network; production and distribution of multimedia adult-oriented entertainment including text, images, video, and motion pictures. FIRST USE: 20010201. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010201
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 78138278
Filing Date June 24, 2002
Owner (APPLICANT) Lightspeed Media Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON 20229 North 67th Avenue, Suite C-4 Glendale ARIZONA 853086665
Attorney of Record David J. James, Jr.
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark (words only): TAWNEE STONE

Current Status: A non-final action has been mailed. This is a letter from the examining attorney requesting additional information and/or making an initial refusal. However, no final determination as to the registrability of the mark has been made.

2002-11-14 - Non-final action mailed

2002-11-06 - Case file assigned to examining attorney

So i dont see the problem yet

if i'm really not allowed to i will not open it up
but if i am.....

why not.

Sambuka · 01-01-2003, 01:05 PM

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Am I guessing they have relized they can take the top spots for all those words if they do it themselfs like Playboy do, they get a lot of searches why the hell should they give them to affliates trying to get super high on the search engines when they can have those top spots for free.

Damn a lot of people must of seen her website to be typing that many search engine words in.

Sammy

Sambuka · 01-01-2003, 01:09 PM

Damn and a straight up $34.95 charge, or $6 trial. I guess if you have a 19 year old that looks 16 yrs then its gonna sell.

Sammy

MonkeyMan · 01-01-2003, 01:24 PM

"A trademark MUST HAVE "Source-Indicating Significance." Thus, the mark must be "perceived by potential purchasers to indicate source and not as merely an informational indication of the domain name address used to access a web site." See In re Eilberg, 49 USPQ2d 1955 (TTAB 1998)."

Hes not claiming to be lightspeed OR tawnee stone. If it went to court I'd doubt you'd take his domain. (not that I'd ever expect this weak annoying attack on somone obviously not harming your business would EVER make it to court)

Forkbeard · 01-01-2003, 05:46 PM

I've got a pet peeve, but I don't have the evidence to say whether Lightspeed has triggered it.

The pet peeve scenario is this: Lawyers take an aggressive view of the law. They tell their clients "If we send a hundred really aggressive demand letters to people we could probably screw in court, we'll get eighty of those people to do what we want without litigation. Then we'll pick the best case out of the remaining twenty and screw him in court, so that folks will know that they have to do what our demand letters say the next time we run this scam."

Generally when lawyers do that, about half the letters have some merit, and about half of those could result in winnable cases. So the lawyers wind up "winning" 81 cases, out of 100 cases where they probably had only 25 real solid winners.

I *hate* this. It's dishonest and a form of extortion, as it affects the fifty folks against whom there was no good case but who could not afford to fight, or to take the chance of being picked as the designated screwee.

The problem is, generally the lawyers don't admit even to the client that half the cases are bogus, or non-winnable. So the businesses who authorize this think they are going after legitimate claims only.

As a legal tactic, it's effective as hell, which is why a certain sort of lawyer loves it. But as a business tactic, it's really really really short-sighted. When you inadvertantly create fifty extortion victims in this internet age, a few of them are going to turn out to have the communications and marketing skills to make you look really bad. For a high-class porn business with a really cool reputation to suddenly come off as a bully -- and a pointless bully, at that, since there are friendlier ways of achieving the underlying legitimate business and legal goals -- well, that can't be good for long term business.

Second disclaimer: There's no data that Lightspeed is doing this. It's possible their lawyers identified 200 cases, and sent letters only to the fifty sure winners. We'll probably never know. But if I was the keeper of the Lightspeed business rep, I'd be concerned about how this looks.

Phil21 · 01-01-2003, 06:19 PM

Since I posted eons ago, and put my foot in my mouth I'll reply now that it was bumped.

Note steve's previous comment in the thread. This is 100% fair in my book. I don't mind them "owning" the domain so long as they don't steal the hard work of affiliates.

Why? Because if they do not take action, they will lose any rights they had to the mark in the first place. Such is law. Strange eh?

So, this was well overblown and nearly everyone (including myself) overeacted.

-Phil

10-11-2002, 09:44 PM	#58
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Whoa, wait a minute! Does this mean you guys will buy me some Tawnee domains so I can promote her? Suhweet! This isn't so bad after all. I found several just the other day that I wanted. I'll be sending you a list of about 3-5 domains shortly. Thanks! __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

10-11-2002, 11:48 PM	#71
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	http://www.tawneestone.de/ not mine,but acceptable?...has a lightspeed banner up but most of the page is other sponsors...and of course the domain __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

10-12-2002, 01:59 AM	#74
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Here's something I thought was funny.. Lightspeed is lawyering people for Tawnee Stone TM violations.. One of his sites is "Max Softcore" Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

10-12-2002, 04:24 AM	#77
sarcasticbastard Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: at the #1 newbie board Posts: 104	I owned misscleosucks.com once upon a time and used it to promote another pyscho sponsor. Had I been using it to promote misscleo they could not have touched me as far as cybersquatting laws are concerned. regardless we took this issue to icann and I did lose and turned the domain over to them. It was fun for three months though. also there are work marks and trade marks. one does not have to register a work mark if it is being used and has been used for some amount of time and that work mark is known nationally or internationally as was the case with misscleo due to her advertising around the world on television. from what I can gather here if you use your domains to promote tawnee exclusively they can't touch you and turning your domains over would be dumber than hell. your not in violation of any icann rules although they do not state everything you need to know as it was the work mark thing that caused me to lose my domain although I researched this thing extensively that bit of info was not clearly stated in their rules. please note all I refer to here are cybersquatting violations. If you do not offer to sell the domain to lightspeed or use it to promote anyone other than tawnee you have done nothing wrong. this whole deals reeks of strong arm tactics and I think you should all go fuck yourselfs. ltrz the owner of the http://www.ahahahaha.com board __________________ Newbies Get Real Info Here! Tgp Avs Search Engines

10-12-2002, 07:19 AM	#78
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Nevermind. Last edited by Brad Mitchell; 10-12-2002 at 07:43 AM..

10-11-2002, 09:05 PM	#52
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	so do you consider tawneestone-sucking-big-nasty-donkey-cock.com harming her name?

10-11-2002, 09:05 PM	#53
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Lightspeed is in their rights, but they don't necessarily have to do this to protect their trademark, as long as you are promoting their site. Pfizer, who has a hell of a lot more lawyers and money than any adult company, allows people to keep Viagra domain names (maybe "allows" is too nice, they "don't usually threaten to sue") as long as they are using them to sell Viagra. If you use a Viagra domain name but don't promote Viagra on the site, then they will come after your ass. So, while it is within their rights to do so, Lightspeed does not have to do this - they could simply go after people with the domain that aren't promoting their program. We have dealt with WIPO and spending $5000 a pop to get the domains back, and pissing off your affiliates, is probably not going to be worth it. You would do better to focus your efforts on the people who are using your marks to promote other products or services or programs. If they are using your mark in a domain but not promoting your program, then by all means kick some ass.

10-11-2002, 09:20 PM	#54
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	Technically you can clean your ass with that C&D as they do not legally own the TM/SM http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?...ate=vse1fi.7.1 Not that u should do that.. cuz we all know that is their work and their girl.. but LEGALLY you are in no problems.... yet..

10-11-2002, 09:33 PM	#56
BobChezule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New York Posts: 779	Lightspeed is just protecting their trademark. The way trademark law works, they are liable to lose the trademark on Tawnee Stone if they don't make efforts to protect it. It doesn't mean they're going to sue people, and you'd probably be able to swing a deal with them if you tried to contact them instead of cowering in fear at the sight of a lawyer's letter. Try contacting the folks at lightspeed and telling them you're sending them traffic and making them money, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to let you keep the site up.

10-11-2002, 10:25 PM	#63
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	[MistaT] you should of just emailed lightspeed instead of bringing this shit to the boards, They are a great bunch of guys and will bend over backwards to help there affiliates, I handed my domain over a month ago and I still use it at No cost, just email them mate and they will sort it all out with ya. Cheers Aussie Rebel

10-11-2002, 11:00 PM	#68
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	She looks so illegal.. and so underage.. There is the key to her popularity! Steve who and how did u find her?

10-11-2002, 11:20 PM	#70
Dom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: planet motherfucker Posts: 102	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dax [B]She looks so illegal.. and so underage.. There is the key to her popularity! Yep... They are making money from a lot of pedophiles and child abusers ... The teen niche is so twisted and wrong when you think about it

10-11-2002, 11:54 PM	#72
Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	Ok here is where I get confused. Not too long ago you had a set for sale at Coconut Content that featured both Rachel and Tawnee. If I had bought that content set could I not buy a Tawnee domain and promote another site besides Tawnee.( Rachel?s revenge comes to mind) Legally speaking haven?t you let the cat out of the bag so to speak by licensing some of her images to Soul Cash and to anyone that purchased them through Coconut Content?

10-12-2002, 12:04 AM	#73
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	This issue is not cut and dried. The domain that Madonna won was Madonna.com - not MadonnaX.com. Some celebs have won in the courts and arbitration and some have lost. There are no sure things in these cases. Tawnee Stone would need to have a registered trademark on her name to actually have a decent chance of winning against a good domain lawyer. Second, only someone with a legal basis for filing a complaint could do so. Just because Lightspeed has a Tawnee site doesn't mean they have a legal right to sue other people with a Tawnee site. They may in fact have the proper authority to represent her, but courts and arbitration are very specific about who can bring complaints. Domain law is something we deal with quite a bit and I still think the Lightspeed crew is jumping the gun by going after their own affiliates. This can cause more trouble than you think, especially because their trademarks appear to be pending. That means that someone who wanted to be an asshole could go and cause big problems for them with USPTO if they wanted. I understand why they're doing what they're doing, and it's certainly their right, but I question how it's being handled, especially in regards to their own affiliates.

10-12-2002, 03:42 AM	#75
Ted Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 830	I just bought 200 tawnee domains and lightspeed is going to renew them forever muhahahahahahahaha

10-12-2002, 10:20 AM	#80
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Sly_rj Please contact me via icq 27295695 thank you

10-14-2002, 09:16 AM	#81
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	So what's the final deal with this? If you contacted the sponsors in advance and they told you to go ahead and buy the domain as long as you used it solely to promote their sites, you can keep the domain? __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

01-01-2003, 12:43 PM	#85
Triple20 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 40	I dont really see the problem i opened up www.tawneestone-club.com i was planning on building a new sort of avs on it with sponsor content of lightspeedcash Lightspeed has let me now he dont like it at all But when i do a checkup on trademarks: Typed Drawing Word Mark TAWNEE STONE Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment services, namely, providing adult-oriented entertainment and information via global computer network; production and distribution of multimedia adult-oriented entertainment including text, images, video, and motion pictures. FIRST USE: 20010201. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010201 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 78138278 Filing Date June 24, 2002 Owner (APPLICANT) Lightspeed Media Corporation CORPORATION WASHINGTON 20229 North 67th Avenue, Suite C-4 Glendale ARIZONA 853086665 Attorney of Record David J. James, Jr. Type of Mark SERVICE MARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator LIVE Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE) Mark (words only): TAWNEE STONE Current Status: A non-final action has been mailed. This is a letter from the examining attorney requesting additional information and/or making an initial refusal. However, no final determination as to the registrability of the mark has been made. 2002-11-14 - Non-final action mailed 2002-11-06 - Case file assigned to examining attorney So i dont see the problem yet if i'm really not allowed to i will not open it up but if i am..... why not. __________________ Burrrppp...!

01-01-2003, 01:05 PM	#86
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	107320 tawnee stone 24071 tawnee 4466 free tawnee stone 4272 tawnee stone pic 3575 free tawnee stone pic 3250 tawnee stone hardcore 2849 tawnee stone video 2752 tawnee stone movie 1553 tawnee stone picture 1390 tawnee stone nude 1358 tawnee stone gallery 1074 tawnee stone password 986 tawnee stone free video 928 free tawnee stone movie 893 free tawnee stone picture 844 tawnee stone fucking 701 tawnee stone sex 628 free stone stone tawnee tawnee 610 stone.com tawnee 573 tawnee stone shrine 568 tawnee stone mpeg 547 rachel tawnee Am I guessing they have relized they can take the top spots for all those words if they do it themselfs like Playboy do, they get a lot of searches why the hell should they give them to affliates trying to get super high on the search engines when they can have those top spots for free. Damn a lot of people must of seen her website to be typing that many search engine words in. Sammy

01-01-2003, 01:09 PM	#87
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Damn and a straight up $34.95 charge, or $6 trial. I guess if you have a 19 year old that looks 16 yrs then its gonna sell. Sammy

01-01-2003, 01:24 PM	#88
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026	"A trademark MUST HAVE "Source-Indicating Significance." Thus, the mark must be "perceived by potential purchasers to indicate source and not as merely an informational indication of the domain name address used to access a web site." See In re Eilberg, 49 USPQ2d 1955 (TTAB 1998)." Hes not claiming to be lightspeed OR tawnee stone. If it went to court I'd doubt you'd take his domain. (not that I'd ever expect this weak annoying attack on somone obviously not harming your business would EVER make it to court)

01-01-2003, 05:46 PM	#89
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	I've got a pet peeve, but I don't have the evidence to say whether Lightspeed has triggered it. The pet peeve scenario is this: Lawyers take an aggressive view of the law. They tell their clients "If we send a hundred really aggressive demand letters to people we could probably screw in court, we'll get eighty of those people to do what we want without litigation. Then we'll pick the best case out of the remaining twenty and screw him in court, so that folks will know that they have to do what our demand letters say the next time we run this scam." Generally when lawyers do that, about half the letters have some merit, and about half of those could result in winnable cases. So the lawyers wind up "winning" 81 cases, out of 100 cases where they probably had only 25 real solid winners. I hate this. It's dishonest and a form of extortion, as it affects the fifty folks against whom there was no good case but who could not afford to fight, or to take the chance of being picked as the designated screwee. The problem is, generally the lawyers don't admit even to the client that half the cases are bogus, or non-winnable. So the businesses who authorize this think they are going after legitimate claims only. As a legal tactic, it's effective as hell, which is why a certain sort of lawyer loves it. But as a business tactic, it's really really really short-sighted. When you inadvertantly create fifty extortion victims in this internet age, a few of them are going to turn out to have the communications and marketing skills to make you look really bad. For a high-class porn business with a really cool reputation to suddenly come off as a bully -- and a pointless bully, at that, since there are friendlier ways of achieving the underlying legitimate business and legal goals -- well, that can't be good for long term business. Second disclaimer: There's no data that Lightspeed is doing this. It's possible their lawyers identified 200 cases, and sent letters only to the fifty sure winners. We'll probably never know. But if I was the keeper of the Lightspeed business rep, I'd be concerned about how this looks. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

01-01-2003, 06:19 PM	#90
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	Since I posted eons ago, and put my foot in my mouth I'll reply now that it was bumped. Note steve's previous comment in the thread. This is 100% fair in my book. I don't mind them "owning" the domain so long as they don't steal the hard work of affiliates. Why? Because if they do not take action, they will lose any rights they had to the mark in the first place. Such is law. Strange eh? So, this was well overblown and nearly everyone (including myself) overeacted. -Phil