Cant add their name or ip as thats a privacy issue. Hence do it with a code that cross references back to the user.

I could give you the script to try out, sure, it requires ColdFusion 8 though and that's not the most common thing on the porn sites these days.

Do you really think it's a privacy issue to have their IP on there? If they're a legitimate consumer then they will be the only ones to see the pic with the IP on it. If they're going to distribute the content then they'd be distributing their IP themselves. Hell, if their actual name was on the picture they'd really think twice before posting it into a newsgroup.

Shit, you could watermark the pictures with "USERNAME'S PRIVATE PICTURE COLLECTION" across the top and tell the customer it is a cool new feature that "uniquely customizes" their pictures for a "personal touch"

This is pretty easy to do with libgd in PHP for images. I wanted to do it differently, so I actually encoded the user's information into the image's stream, but it doesn't display. You can only get the data back out with the right salted key, so it's not really an issue of privacy, but it does log the time, the username logged in, and their IP.

Don't have the code on this machine; it's likely to be on a backup. I was dicking around with it in '06. Haven't touched it, since, as I found it to be fairly unfeasible for use.

Ya IP is iffy, but I can see people raising a fuss thinking it will give someone the ability to hack them, just from a general sense of unknowing. lol Personally no I dont see it as an issue, but Ive seen people cry about sigs that say like Your Ip is, and it really being their ip, and them crying hacker etc. Lots of kinks to work out I guess, but would you say its feasible to do something similar with images and video both? One problem I foresee is like downloadable zips you'd have to mark and zip up prior to download. Still there should be a workaround for it, maybe a que to download or something.

Video, I don't know... would be much tougher than pictures for sure. The ColdFusion script I did up just grabs a picture from a directory on the server that is not accessible from the Web, slaps some text on it then uses CFIMAGE action="WRITETOBROWSER" to display the image. Very simple, really.

Batching up images into ZIPs wouldn't be hard, either.

I would imagine putting dynamic watermarks onto video would require insane processing power.

Anyway of injecting the data that would stick with it regardless of re encoding etc? The way I was thinking on the video was more of a wrapper similar to the way google uses for google video. They dont actually re encode to flv. Should be a way to do this quickly on the fly. If not this could be something for the cdn networks to look at.

You can do it quickly, but at the cost of CPU. Remember that Google runs on cheap, disposable hardware. It means nothing to them to tax a machine for 4 simultaneous streams. However, most of this industry can't afford that method. The only issue you have is that you want it to identify the video/image/etc to that specific user; and even at the very least, if you serve the file with the user's IP as a long2ip() encoded, that's not necessarily going to mean anything, as the file may be renamed. You need to embed it, and in order to do that, you almost always need to load the whole file into RAM to do so. Even with that, a realtime rewrite/passthru still takes a lot of effort.

Ok hear me out here. Lets say streaming solution only. Lets say an .flv player that overlays the username, or code, or ip or whatever, and randomly moves it on the screen. Would cover the screen capture issue at least right?

If you built it into the player, they could technically just grab the FLV unless you had that parameter hidden very well. Really, anybody with a local proxy could snag it, even then, depending on how it was obtained. The most reliable solution is to tag the content as they get it.

If you don't mind using a self-hosted streaming system, it'd be worth it putting everything behind a hashing passthrough system like StrongBox, and having a simple utility written that does a trivial encryption of the FLV stream, which is decoded by the player. This wouldn't be too difficult to make, but supporting external players may be an issue, and if someone downloaded your player, and a stream, eventually some bored nerd would break it open.

Yeah, the way I see it man, if you need to add their IP to the photo then do it - people might be worried about their privacy but assure them that the IP address is recorded everywhere they go on the internet and can't really be used to do anything to them. Just a way to track stolen photos - MOST people DONT sign up for porn to steal pics, so they could care less if their IP is there, its not like they didnt just see that exact number on the page they put their credit card into.

You still give the customer porn, and as long as the customer isn't a douche and doesn't steal stuff it doesn't matter anyways.

all this sounds like a big waste of time to me.

figure out how to make money from the thieves instead and you're better off.

you need to realize these surfers / thieves / script kiddies are 1000 steps ahead of you .. anything you come up with they will laugh at and beat in 1 hour flat.

think further...

Im all for marketing on the tubes and torrents. Been doing that for quite a while, with good results. Nope you wont defeat them, you make it a pain in the ass for them to get the content.

I was tracking stolen Raven Riley vids for about 6 months. The most interesting thing: once the stolen accounts were killed off, 100% of the people who were stealing videos had been members for 1+ years.

That's a tough situation: it's the members that are giving you the most that are fucking you.

I ran this over a large sample size, with a lot of vids and about 6 months, and that was unerringly the result.

Still, the solution is solid for most CMS systems / plain htaccess / and works/ed for wmv avi and mpg. I was chasing Chio about it.. but he disappeared ;) Chiooooo?

I hear you ... it's just that things are moving at a very fast pace these days, you can try to protect yourself and end up one mile behind or you can be at the front line giving the low lives a run for their money.

I prefer the second ... even though I'm still young I just don't see a point in wasting time trying to hold back evolution.

I don't think tube sites or torrents are threatening us at all, rather challenging us ... so lets man up and take on the challenge. We control the content, we can win as long as we play it our way and don't let them take control... which is exactly what we're doing if we step back in to defense.

But that's just my 2 cents ... I've never claimed to know anything, I just like to hear myself talk ... a lot :)

As I said before I think you should hit up the upsells about this. Cam companies, dating, etc. All the non compete upsells. Get them to give you a percentage of all the sales that result. Have them give it out freely to any members area with only requirement being a plugin for their upsell. If it works package it up and push it. Ill help you push the idea for free. I just want to see adult start to out innovate mainstream again.

I like the idea.
Of course people can easily remove the watermark. But it's better than nothing.

Here is what I came up with:
http://sexteri.com/watermark/pic.jpg
It uses a php wrapper. This solution also seems to be faster than the previously posted one.
It's very easy to program an on-the-fly watermark. I'm not even a programmer. I use this solution to watermark all the images on one of my blogs.

I think it should be no problem to program a little application that adds the user to a database after signup. CCBill offers the post variables for this purpose. On your site, you could create a session for the user when he logs in and then serve the images on the fly to him.

I thought I posted last night, but I guess I didn't . Cave Creek will be riolling out an Encoding service with a partner we have who can do everything. Encode whole libraries in nearly any format including Watermarking and it all uses a Web interface.

Basically, during all the discussions at the Forum the Encoding issue came up numerous times and as is Ron's Mandate here at ccBill/Cave Creek we are always trying to find ways to fill the needs in the Adult Market . We intend to offer this service as low a cost as we can as a value add to the CDN streaming offerings we currently have.

The way we see it customers can use this service to encode content into any format then push directly into net storage and have it served off the CDN creating ultimate flexibility, performance , scale and ubiquity. ( I have been dying to find a way to use that word in a sentance)

I am still early on the process with these folks, but I have pricing and basic product descriptions so please ping me off line and I will be happy to help you.

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Sticky, I am so glad you said this because this has been my Mantra at the shows for a while. Adult has always pushed the envelope in Technology, but in stuff like CDN, streaming, watermarking, DRM, etc. The Adult Market is very much behind. The company we are working with for the Encoding/ watermarking piece has been doing this for folks like Reuters, Amex, Microsoft, etc for years, and we now have access to the same technology and I think it will allow the adult space to take large leaps towards content protection and delivery the way mainstream is already doing it, but without the high costs.

Yes that is awesome! Personally when I see all these companies in the mainstream such as www.hulu.com and www.netflix.com and www.vongo.com offering either only streaming media and able to deliver high quality full screen video I sit wondering why we cant? Vongo for instance allows movies to be downloaded, but they expire after your membership expires. They use a proprietary system yes, but I think on many fronts that is probably better.

Part of the big problem is that adult was an innovator. Our industry was the first that really delivered video to the masses. Now the crux of the issue is this. We didnt have the technology when adult started to limit members to any time frame on what they downloaded. So they became conditioned to a months membership as if they were purchasing whatever content they could download, rather than renting the content. So they were conditioned to expect that. Well with HD video we kind of have an opportunity to reverse that trend.

Yes customer this is what you will get now MUCH higher quality video, but you don't get to keep it. The whole model is skewed because of this, and its frustrating that we are also part of it due to there not really being any options out there to change the model. The content theft issue should be what motivates people to initate the change that has been needed for years, but that we didnt have the technology quite yet to accomplish at last try with the failed drm model. Its 2008 time to start showing mainstream who is the leader again. :winkwink:

The reason many people steal or break the law is the fear of getting caught and the penalties. Instill fear into pirates and some will stop.

Let surfers who are looking to pirate content know we as an industry are going after them and making them pay and watch the problem reduce. It had to be taken to the boards that encourage pirates to steal.

Let them know we have ways of tracing them, we will then summons them and either take them to court or settle out of court. It's up to them. Massive task I know, but the results are simple. You drive them underground.

I posed the www.pak-inc.com links up on a surfers board that tells you how and where to get free porn. Scared the shit out of them. They were telling me it's not fair we should go after them and that was the sum total of their argument.

Nice thread some good info in here

Im just amazed how little backbitting there is so far hehe. These threads usually go bad.

Damn.. Spot on. I am sort of the "new technology" Guy over here and we are talking to some companies about partnering up that re doing amazingly cool stuff to mesh high quality Media Delivery into DRM and pay by the drink transaction models which I think are the future for the adult online industry. The greatest challenge for me as it has been with CDN in the last year is just educating the industry on these technologies and how they can be valuable and creating methods by which they can transition to them without it becoming a huge undertaking which they absolutely do not have time for. Also there are so many different variations on the theme for how different programs deliver content and as you point out the ideology of the model they have committed to (monthly subscription all you can download.) In the next few months all the major Streaming providers CC/L3 included will be moving to Flash 3 and h.264 HD support. It will take a while for the adoption of this to kick in but once it does , and with the additional Flash DRM component I feel this will be the way most of the big players will be delivering their content. It could take a year to transition, but before that happens we hope to have some very cool tools in place to make it as painless and affordable a process as possible.

This is without question the direction we need to be moving in. :thumbsup

Er, so how do 'we' trace them then Pauly?

Magic Pirate Links?

You seem to be suggesting something like the RIAA/MPAA did. And it a) failed spectacularly and b) doubled traffic at the pirate bay cos of the publicity of the cases.

Dont get distracted now. Look its not like you try to trace EVERY single file. Its more like this. You are surfing around looking in google to see if anyone is ripping your site off. You find 5 of your videos and 15 galleries up on some forum using rapidshare links. You download them and check the code or username or ip or whatever that is on the content. You find out it was user IamApirate that signed up 3 weeks ago. Now lets say we have the processors on board with this. You hit up the processor show him the proof of illegal sharing that breaks your tos. You cut him off from access to your paysite. With proof of illegal use the processor has a better chance to stop chargebacks (I would hope). The customers info is all listed when he signed up (yes outside of cc fraud). That customer is now denied access to any sites that processor handles. He tries to sign up to other sites and is denied access.

If everyone in the industry would unite on this the people that share just to get high fives from the community they share in would think twice. Porn is a staple to many people. They will only risk so much in order to get that high five. :2 cents:

Way too far down the page back to the top. Need more input. Hard to keep these things going. :(

Damn all the teeth be pulled I guess.. :(

So I need something like this and I don't have $6k :( What's my best option here? I still have that project posted on GetAFreelancer but they have no idea what they're talking about.

Ya will be tough outside of adult programmers to find someone that "gets it"

NIce, I just read the whole thread.

Stickyfingerz, you got some good feedback and ideas. I agree on the fact that you can better do something than nothing. Its little effort to visually and non visually watermark the image. Its easy to create something that can track back the original user. I don't think you can do something then really. Visually will give a little advantage since the surfer needs to remove it which is effort. Contacting him afterwards when he removed it will scare him an probably end his membership (if he still has it), but then you can make him aware of the fact that maintaining a member site is a log of work and time. The last is only for self satisfying ;)

Now if we could just get something that is easy for the whole industry to implement, and that is free or nearly free to get setup and use. :disgust

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Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment Adopts USVO'S Anti-Piracy System for Online Trade StreamingHighlighted Links


USA Video Interactive Corp.NIANTIC, CT--(Marketwire - April 2, 2008) - USA Video Interactive Corporation (OTCBB: USVO) (TSX-V: US) (BERLIN: USF) (FRANKFURT: USF) today announced that Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment (TCFHE) has gone "LIVE" with its new copy protection software, MediaEscort?, to protect the Studio's filmed entertainment content that is streamed via the Internet to its various trade business partners in advance of DVD availability.

MediaEscort's on-demand watermarking system automatically and seamlessly embeds SmartMarks?, imperceptible forensic information in every frame of video content, during Internet delivery to protect against piracy. TCFHE selected MediaEscort for online delivery of streaming media content for review by retail buyers, distributors and others that sell DVDs to the general public. The move provides the Studio's trade partners with the convenience of being able to view its product simply on their office computer.

"Professional pirates constantly prowl the Internet for streaming entertainment content that they might possibly hijack," stated Heather Field, Executive Director of Digital Marketing IT at TCFHE. "In using MediaEscort we can provide advance access to our content, conveniently and in a traceable manner."

"MediaEscort is a breakthrough for USVO product development that meets a growing demand for anti-piracy products for online media," said Edwin Molina, CEO of USVO. "We feel this is the beginning of a new era in content protection for intellectual property rights holders."

Mainstream making us look bad folks. :disgust

Bump for a friday. Surely there are some naysayers to say it cant be done..

Bump for any sort of solution that inputs any info into pictures, even something weak is fine!