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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635
    #1

    $15-20,000.00+ Of Design Work in 2008

    and...

    I can't find a solid, dependable, reasonable, NDA, long term programmer who can commit to deadlines for a project, much less a dozen, and some lasting 2-3 years.

    Recently, I get a lot of small fries who haven't handled anything over a few hundred bucks. Also some who have experience, but poor feedback or ratings. Normally the small fries are fine, but not in the bigger projects.

    Very frustrating.

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    • stickyfingerz
      Doin fine
      • Oct 2005
      • 24984
      #2
      When did you get degreened?

      Oh and Feel for you on the designer thing. Tis tough.

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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151
          #3
          Expensive, sometimes take a number to start, but finishes on time with good product.

          http://www.wyldesites.com/newportfol...stom%20Designs

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            • AssPirate
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2006
              • 2135
              #4
              Maybe you just not yet encounter with someone who will actually pass your taste plus someone you can really depend on. Sometimes or most of the time you really need to spend more money to achieve what you need/want.

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                • Pulsebucks
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 94
                  #5
                  We can recommend this guy: http://outlinezero.net/

                  So far he has done 5 paysites for us, honest, always on time, we even sent money in advance and had no problems. Give him a try he just might be suitable for your projects.


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                    • tranza
                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 57559
                      #6
                      It's very hard to find nice programmers nowadays.

                      I'm just a newbie.

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                        • candyflip
                          Carpe Visio
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 43069
                          #7
                          You say designer but are looking for programmer. Maybe that's your problem

                          Spend you some brain.
                          Email Me

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                            • Barefootsies
                              Choice is an Illusion
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635
                              #8
                              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                              When did you get degreened? .
                              When indeed?

                              I still show up as green on my end.

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                                • Why
                                  MFBA
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 7230
                                  #9
                                  dont be a cheap skate. all the good programmers i know wouldnt touch a project under a few G's.

                                  good code costs good money.

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                                    • Barefootsies
                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 42635
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AssPirate
                                      Maybe you just not yet encounter with someone who will actually pass your taste plus someone you can really depend on. Sometimes or most of the time you really need to spend more money to achieve what you need/want.
                                      I have no issues with paying a little more to have a designer who's....

                                      1. On time with realistic due dates. (bigger projects 60-90 days)
                                      2. Checks in weekly, and can show progress.
                                      3. Agrees to benchmarks.
                                      4. NDA

                                      After being ripped off my AM-Jeff from Rage Cash, among a few others. I refuse to put 50% down on anything again. I have the cash to pay whatever you want. But I need some food on my plate before you get paid. AM-Jeff had all the designer classics covered in "how close he was" to having it finished. Complete with the computer down, the kids, family, internet and the whole book covered.

                                      Never again.
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                                        • Barefootsies
                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 42635
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Why
                                          dont be a cheap skate. all the good programmers i know wouldnt touch a project under a few G's.

                                          good code costs good money.
                                          Maybe you didn't bother to read the subject line. $15,000-20,000.00 worth of designs on a handful - a dozen sites IS thousands.

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                                            • coca-cola
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2005
                                              • 251
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by candyflip
                                              You say designer but are looking for programmer. Maybe that's your problem
                                              haha! yeah! i think this is the problem....
                                              .
                                              .
                                              So Far, So Good

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                                                • Why
                                                  MFBA
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 7230
                                                  #13
                                                  dont let one douchebag ruin your whole experience. i would never ask someone to work entirely upfront. money first. we all know this!

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                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 42635
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by candyflip
                                                      You say designer but are looking for programmer. Maybe that's your problem
                                                      If only it was that simple.

                                                      I've been looking over 50+ different programmer's bids on my projects, theirs portfolios. As well as previous customer reviews of their completed works all morning.

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                                                        • Why
                                                          MFBA
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 7230
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                          Maybe you didn't bother to read the subject line. $15,000-20,000.00 worth of designs on a handful of sites IS thousands.

                                                          the subject is about design, yet the post is about code(ie: 'programmer') work. so maybe you should learn how to type and not confuse people. also try to pick one subject and stay on it for ease in understanding by the reader.

                                                          i do in fact know how to read but thanks for caring though.

                                                          so which is it smartass, you looking for a programmer or a designer?

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                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                              • 42635
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by coca-cola
                                                              haha! yeah! i think this is the problem....
                                                              lol... Yeah. I am sure that's it.

                                                              When a programmer reads about the whole project, what's needed in programming, the server set up, etc. Then I am sure they know what I am talking about. Especially from their responses.

                                                              I am posting the req's on freelancer sites. Not message boards.

                                                              Just venting my frustration here. I've tried the ole GFY in the past, and burned more than half the time. Even paying top dollar, with highly recommended folks.

                                                              I will give kudos to Machine Gun Kelly. He is one who does decent work.
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                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 42635
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Why
                                                                  thanks for caring though.
                                                                  I don't.
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                                                                    • stickyfingerz
                                                                      Doin fine
                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                      • 24984
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                      When indeed?

                                                                      I still show up as green on my end.

                                                                      wow weird you were non green and non sig for about 45 minutes at least. Weird.

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                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                          • 42635
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                          wow weird you were non green and non sig for about 45 minutes at least. Weird.
                                                                          Maybe your stinkyfingerz got into my CP and screwed things up?
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                                                                            • polish_aristocrat
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                              • 40377
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                              wow weird you were non green and non sig for about 45 minutes at least. Weird.
                                                                              I see green and no sig
                                                                              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                  I see green and no sig
                                                                                  Maybe I am being punished for being your minion...
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                                                                                    • Headless
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 26727
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      ok im confused... Are you looking for a designer or programmer?

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                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Headless
                                                                                          ok im confused... Are you looking for a designer or programmer?
                                                                                          Programmer toots
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                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Pulsebucks
                                                                                              We can recommend this guy: http://outlinezero.net/

                                                                                              So far he has done 5 paysites for us, honest, always on time, we even sent money in advance and had no problems. Give him a try he just might be suitable for your projects.
                                                                                              I'll take a look chief.
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                                                                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                  best designer on GFY
                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                  • 30307
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  So you paid out over 20K in design for 2008? So far?

                                                                                                  Is that graphic design or web programming both?
                                                                                                  What did you get?

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                                                                                                    • iMind
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Nov 2007
                                                                                                      • 937
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                      lol... Yeah. I am sure that's it.

                                                                                                      When a programmer reads about the whole project, what's needed in programming, the server set up, etc. Then I am sure they know what I am talking about. Especially from their responses.

                                                                                                      I am posting the req's on freelancer sites. Not message boards.

                                                                                                      Just venting my frustration here. I've tried the ole GFY in the past, and burned more than half the time. Even paying top dollar, with highly recommended folks.

                                                                                                      I will give kudos to Machine Gun Kelly. He is one who does decent work.
                                                                                                      Ya hard as hell to find good programmers these days.
                                                                                                      MGK is great but I'm pretty he's not a programmer but a designer.

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                                                                                                        • fluffygrrl
                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                                          • 2187
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          When you say programmer, do you mean php/html or do you mean linux guts and gore sort of programmer ?

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                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                              So you paid out over 20K in design for 2008? So far?

                                                                                                              Is that graphic design or web programming both?
                                                                                                              What did you get?
                                                                                                              I need to get that much done (slated/budgeted) for in 08.
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                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by iMind
                                                                                                                  Ya hard as hell to find good programmers these days.
                                                                                                                  Amen brother.

                                                                                                                  Still have another 50-100 I have to sort through tomorrow who've put in bids on the various projects. Most can be immediately eliminated. But with many, you have to look at their testimonials, previous works, log into their demos, etc. etc.
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                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                      When you say programmer, do you mean php/html or do you mean linux guts and gore sort of programmer ?
                                                                                                                      Depends on which of the projects I am accepting bids on. Some are more programming. Some are design. Some are a combo.
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                                                                                                                        • fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                                                          • 2187
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Mkay, I got a couple of guys that have been doing good things for me, and they make a good team. Hit me up, we can prolly arrange something. Nothing to lose.

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                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                              Mkay, I got a couple of guys that have been doing good things for me, and they make a good team. Hit me up, we can prolly arrange something. Nothing to lose.

                                                                                                                              Thank you delicious tootsies. It's worth a shot.

                                                                                                                              I have been doing nothing except checking out designers/programmers most of this week. Today was brutal. Still have another day or two of going through them, then narrowing the field.
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                                                                                                                                • Linguist
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 1706
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                  Depends on which of the projects I am accepting bids on. Some are more programming. Some are design. Some are a combo.
                                                                                                                                  I think I see your problem. Good programmers are seldomly good designers, good designers are almost never programmers. If you find one that's both expect to pay in the $80+/h range.

                                                                                                                                  Why not find a separate designer and a separate programmer?
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                                                                                                                                    • Loki
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                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 4420
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                      Thank you delicious tootsies. It's worth a shot.

                                                                                                                                      I have been doing nothing except checking out designers/programmers most of this week. Today was brutal. Still have another day or two of going through them, then narrowing the field.
                                                                                                                                      Where in michigan are you located?

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                                                                                                                                        • Violetta
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                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 28735
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          If I was a programmer, Id be perfect! To bad I aint lol

                                                                                                                                          Good luck on finding a good one!
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                                                                                                                                            • Violetta
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 28735
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              If I was a programmer, Id be perfect! To bad I aint lol

                                                                                                                                              Good luck on finding a good one!
                                                                                                                                              M&A Queen

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                                                                                                                                                • viencarl
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                                                                                                                                                  • May 2007
                                                                                                                                                  • 4234
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  If you are looking for programmer who can meet your deadline then you must contact primeoutsourcing .com

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                                                                                                                                                    • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                      Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 32449
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      All programmers are flaky to some degree.

                                                                                                                                                      A good programmer sees the entire world as a big program. You want to code efficiently and create functions, objects, etc and reuse that code throughout.

                                                                                                                                                      And that means they also want to get money without working too hard for it.

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                                                                                                                                                        • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                          Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                          • 28750
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          See sig... Be Happy...
                                                                                                                                                          “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by vdc-Loki
                                                                                                                                                              Where in michigan are you located?

                                                                                                                                                              -Loki-
                                                                                                                                                              Kalamazoo
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                                                                                                                                                                • kmanrox
                                                                                                                                                                  aka K-Man
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 29295
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  hit me on icq man or email [email protected], my boys over at http://450studio.com are new on the block but they put out cutting edge, high quality stuff and work on deadlines.. .based in .NL
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rockatansky
                                                                                                                                                                      Good luck on finding a good one!
                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you kind sire.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • madm1k3
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 472
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I was having the same problem till I hired my design team, I sure I could help you out big time!!! Hit me up on ICQ, we should talk if your interested!

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Loki
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                              Kalamazoo
                                                                                                                                                                              No kidding, I'm up north, in a town with a very 'gay' name, close to Traverse City.

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm amazed at how many michaganders are not only on GFY but in the biz lol.

                                                                                                                                                                              Hope you find what you need.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 14799
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  they don't respect your authority barefoot. you need to show them whos boss.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by vdc-Loki
                                                                                                                                                                                      No kidding, I'm up north, in a town with a very 'gay' name, close to Traverse City.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm amazed at how many michaganders are not only on GFY but in the biz lol.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Hope you find what you need.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Loki
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                          Gaylord mwaha
                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, gotta love this shit hole town.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Moved up here from Detroit about 10 years ago to get away from the crime and the noise, little did I know I would end up in between the Twilight Zone and Deliverance.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by vdc-Loki
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, gotta love this shit hole town.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Moved up here from Detroit about 10 years ago to get away from the crime and the noise, little did I know I would end up in between the Twilight Zone and Deliverance.

                                                                                                                                                                                              -Loki-
                                                                                                                                                                                              BWAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah. I have heard a story or two about the NW corner of lower MI.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by madm1k3
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was having the same problem till I hired my design team, I sure I could help you out big time!!! Hit me up on ICQ, we should talk if your interested!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  You'll be happy you did!!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • NinjaSteve
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rockatansky
                                                                                                                                                                                                      If I was a programmer, Id be perfect! To bad I aint lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good luck on finding a good one!
                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL! Nice.
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