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SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 09:16 PM

I haven't been posting on gfy much lately so i could give a fuck less if i get banned for "rehashing" a question that has not been answered.

My sincere apologies to NATS if my questions have already been answered.

Could we please get an update on the nats break-in and some straight answers.

The following are pretty simple yes or no questions.

As a nats affiliate was any of my data compromised in any fashion, and can you conclusively rule this out ?

Was an employee/ ex employee responsible for the nats admin pass being used to break into sponsors using nats and can you conclusively rule this out ?

Do you plan on suing the companies profiting from info stolen from MY signups i sent to nats programs ? Do you plan on reimbursing sponsors who use nats for the theft of signup data and will you advise sponsors to reimburse affiliates if this is the case ?

Sorry if i am stepping on toes but i think its about time we get some straight answers , i think i speak for many affiliates who don't think its proper we should contact you on an individual basis to get answers.

On a sidenote i think it would be proper for you to petition gfy admins to unban will76 as he was asking a question i'm sure thousand of other nats affiliates would like answered and wasn't. Having will76 banned for asking a fair question , makes it look like a cover-up

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 09:20 PM

p.s. if you dont want to answer the questions or want me banned for asking , why not instead just tell us why you don't think it needs answering..

I stopped asking questions ONLY because minusonebit took the whole thing way to far and i didnt think at the time it was proper to continue on like it was a witch hunt.

I trust nats , help me trust it more

CyberHustler · 03-06-2008, 09:23 PM

sIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIg

aico · 03-06-2008, 09:23 PM

I swear I just heard Scooby Do say Waat Woooh

Nicky · 03-06-2008, 09:26 PM

Uh oh, you better make a "Incase I get banned" thread (j/k)

Some valid questions though, interesting to see how it winds up.

Robbie · 03-06-2008, 09:30 PM

Fuck, who cares? Your "data" is probably compromised everytime you buy something online. Who gives a fuck? When somebody steals some money from your bank account then you should go to the fucking bank and show them it was stolen and you get your money back. Getting spam emails? I've been getting thousands of them a day for 10 years. I bought spam arrest. Problem solved. Go back to work. Make money and stop asking foolish questions that even if they did answer...wouldn't make a bit of difference to you in any way. It's in the rearview. Move forward. That's my humble advice.

Iron Fist · 03-06-2008, 09:33 PM

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I swear I just heard Scooby Do say Waat Woooh

Zebra · 03-06-2008, 09:38 PM

Robbie, considering the sizable amount of people either using NATS as an owner or affiliate, I don't think this is a simple case of "move forward". This wasn't something that just affected a few people on the fringe, this was something that struck at the core of the industry. It was swept under the rug and didn't get the treatment it deserved because of minusonebit. He is gone and the mountain has gone back down to a molehill, and it is time for some answers.

pornask · 03-06-2008, 09:42 PM

Zebra, what do you mean by saying that it didn't get attention due to minusonebit. He's the one who brought attention to it. it would not have been properly discussed at all, only few webmasters would know if it wasn't for minusonebit.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 09:44 PM

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Fuck, who cares?

i do obviously hence this thread

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Your "data" is probably compromised everytime you buy something online.

um no it isn't

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Who gives a fuck?

see answer #1

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When somebody steals some money from your bank account then you should go to the fucking bank and show them it was stolen and you get your money back.

thats kind of the whole point of getting an answer isn't it ?

p.s. nats isnt a bank and obviously this is just a tiny bit different.

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Getting spam emails? I've been getting thousands of them a day for 10 years. I bought spam arrest. Problem solved.

wtf are you talking about ?

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Go back to work.

i am working

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Make money

i am making money and also trying not to lose it due to someone elses mistakes.

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stop asking foolish questions that even if they did answer...wouldn't make a bit of difference to you in any way.

thats your opinion i suppose , my opinion is its important or i wouldnt be asking and it makes alot of difference not only to me but to the sponsors i promote

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It's in the rearview. Move forward. That's my humble advice.

Theres a reason why you have a rearview mirror and its not to reminisce what you just saw

thats my humble advice.

FreeHugeMovies · 03-06-2008, 09:46 PM

Smokey 4 Life

xclusive · 03-06-2008, 09:48 PM

I think it's a shame that a program as widely used as NATS had an issue and that it's being swept under the rug. Shit happens with Scripts it's just how it is. But by not being open about it they are making themselves look a lot worse. If it's active in the courts then fine it's totally understandable that they don't want to talk about it. But if it's not then they should explain what happened as clearly as they possibly can. Is that so wrong to want to know what happened or possibly happened with your personal info?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 09:51 PM

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If it's active in the courts then fine it's totally understandable that they don't want to talk about it. But if it's not then they should explain what happened as clearly as they possibly can. Is that so wrong to want to know what happened or possibly happened with your personal info?

exactly

CyberHustler · 03-06-2008, 09:52 PM

John. · 03-06-2008, 09:54 PM

Hopefully it's not being swept under the rug.

TampaToker · 03-06-2008, 09:56 PM

Strike One For All Of You!

CyberHustler · 03-06-2008, 09:59 PM

TurboAngel · 03-06-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i do obviously hence this thread

um no it isn't

see answer #1

thats kind of the whole point of getting an answer isn't it ?

p.s. nats isnt a bank and obviously this is just a tiny bit different.

wtf are you talking about ?

i am working

i am making money and also trying not to lose it due to someone elses mistakes.

thats your opinion i suppose , my opinion is its important or i wouldnt be asking and it makes alot of difference not only to me but to the sponsors i promote

Theres a reason why you have a rearview mirror and its not to reminisce what you just saw

thats my humble advice.

Good one.

DS250 · 03-06-2008, 10:08 PM

Hey drama queen, didn't pbucksjohn not say he would be glad to update you if you ICQ him? Don't act like you didn't read and jack off to the thread 100 times with your butt buddy will76. I know you are desperate for attention with your bullshit "I have a brain tumor and am dying" threads, but at least stop being a mouthpiece for will76, show some spine, and ICQ pbucksjohn and fucking ask him yourself. You are just piling on for your faggot buddy.

And for the record I think pbucksjohn is a public relations nightmare for the way he handles things but he did say you could easily contact him and you would have your answer. What, you too weak from your brain tumor to bother?

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I haven't been posting on gfy much lately so i could give a fuck less if i get banned for "rehashing" a question that has not been answered.

My sincere apologies to NATS if my questions have already been answered.

Could we please get an update on the nats break-in and some straight answers.

The following are pretty simple yes or no questions.

As a nats affiliate was any of my data compromised in any fashion, and can you conclusively rule this out ?

We saw no activity in logs of pages other than member info being accessed by the hacking. Of course, its possible, just about anything is, but no reason to believe that anyone was after that.

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Was an employee/ ex employee responsible for the nats admin pass being used to break into sponsors using nats and can you conclusively rule this out ?

Unfortunately whoever is responsible hasn't been determined. We have no reason to believe it was an employee or ex-employee tho.

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Do you plan on suing the companies profiting from info stolen from MY signups i sent to nats programs ? Do you plan on reimbursing sponsors who use nats for the theft of signup data and will you advise sponsors to reimburse affiliates if this is the case ?

We did not have emails stolen from from us. As far as I know we would have no standing and we could not sue them. The affiliate programs who had their data stolen would need to sue them.

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Sorry if i am stepping on toes but i think its about time we get some straight answers , i think i speak for many affiliates who don't think its proper we should contact you on an individual basis to get answers.

Straight forward answers have been given before and again here.

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On a sidenote i think it would be proper for you to petition gfy admins to unban will76 as he was asking a question i'm sure thousand of other nats affiliates would like answered and wasn't. Having will76 banned for asking a fair question , makes it look like a cover-up

Will wasn't banned for asking. In fact his question was answered a few posts later in the thread when others raised it. My answer to him wasn't nasty and was very straight forward. He then started to freak out. He was persistent and asked to stop several times. He didn't, and he was banned for that. Again, his question, "Were there any updates?" was answered.

DS250 · 03-06-2008, 10:14 PM

By the way, for the idiots that can't be bothered to contact them directly for a straight answer, don't you think maybe there is a reason for that? If something is being investigated don't you think they don't want to give info out on a public board where most of you losers aren't even program owners or affiliates? At least by ICQ they can verify if you are even worth filling in. Fucking drama queen losers.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:18 PM

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By the way, for the idiots that can't be bothered to contact them directly for a straight answer, don't you think maybe there is a reason for that? If something is being investigated don't you think they don't want to give info out on a public board where most of you losers aren't even program owners or affiliates? At least by ICQ they can verify if you are even worth filling in. Fucking drama queen losers.

Thank you, but no, the reason I don't want to do it here is this place is more and more filled with trolls by the day. I do NOT mean Will76, Smokey, etc. I mean characters like Jet, etc. They are here to just try to cause as much trouble as possible and any answer given is not going to be good enough. It becomes a waste and a headache to even try to discuss it here. So I figured I would speak one on one at length with anyone who was interested in knowing more and invited anyone, big or small, new or old in this business to contact me if they wish to. Some did and got whatever info they wanted. Some decided it was something else to scream about.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:20 PM

I missed one of your questions, sorry. No, there is no reimbursement being advised.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 10:23 PM

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Hey drama queen, didn't pbucksjohn not say he would be glad to update you if you ICQ him?

hey guy who cannot read properly,
did you not read what i wrote ?

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Don't act like you didn't read and jack off to the thread 100 times with your butt buddy will76.

i dont even know will76 other than reading his threads , stop smoking crack son .

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I know you are desperate for attention with your bullshit "I have a brain tumor and am dying" threads

we are all slowly dying, i never once even suggested that i was dying anytime soon due to my health issues ? i really do feel sorry for you that you hallucinate these things, learn to read , i think thats your main problem

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but at least stop being a mouthpiece for will76, show some spine, and ICQ pbucksjohn and fucking ask him yourself. You are just piling on for your faggot buddy.

once again i must remind you because apparently you have a comprehension problem, i don't know will76 other than from on gfy , get it ? got it ? understand yet ? i explained in the first post of this thread why i don't icq john for an update but it seems you are too stupid to understand.

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And for the record I think pbucksjohn is a public relations nightmare for the way he handles things but he did say you could easily contact him and you would have your answer.

and you could have easily read the thread and not wasted your breath asking questions i already answered for you.

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What, you too weak from your brain tumor to bother?

the 2 things have absolutley nothing to do with each other, im glad you seem to be so infatuated with me you care though.

Where should i send the latest copy of my MRI ?

pornask · 03-06-2008, 10:23 PM

Hey DS250, what's that brown stuff all over your demented face?

TampaToker · 03-06-2008, 10:25 PM

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Will wasn't banned for asking. In fact his question was answered a few posts later in the thread when others raised it. My answer to him wasn't nasty and was very straight forward. He then started to freak out. He was persistent and asked to stop several times. He didn't, and he was banned for that. Again, his question, "Were there any updates?" was answered.

Oh he wasnt ? John I suspect will was banned because you were screaming to eric to do it. eric told you and will to drop it. He did, you then made another post about will so he replied to YOUR post and then eric banned him not you. then YOU proceeded to make more posts taking cheap shots at will since you knew he was banned. thats what happened... But anyway im done with this circus show cause thats what it is. But like the old saying goes " He who laughs first doesn't always laugh last"

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 10:26 PM

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We saw no activity in logs of pages other than member info being accessed by the hacking. Of course, its possible, just about anything is, but no reason to believe that anyone was after that.

Unfortunately whoever is responsible hasn't been determined. We have no reason to believe it was an employee or ex-employee tho.

We did not have emails stolen from from us. As far as I know we would have no standing and we could not sue them. The affiliate programs who had their data stolen would need to sue them.

Straight forward answers have been given before and again here.

Will wasn't banned for asking. In fact his question was answered a few posts later in the thread when others raised it. My answer to him wasn't nasty and was very straight forward. He then started to freak out. He was persistent and asked to stop several times. He didn't, and he was banned for that. Again, his question, "Were there any updates?" was answered.

Thank you very much for your answers , i know i and many other appreciate the straight forward response even if there are still many unknowns.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:26 PM

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Oh he wasnt ? John I suspect will was banned because you were screaming to eric to do it. eric told you and will to drop it. He did, you then made another post about will so he replied to YOUR post and then eric banned him not you. then YOU proceeded to make more posts taking cheap shots at will since you knew he was banned. thats what happened... But anyway im done with this circus show cause thats what it is. But like the old saying goes " He who laughs first doesn't always laugh last"

I'm sorry your friend was banned. However, he was wrong.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Thank you very much for your answers , i know i and many other appreciate the straight forward response even if there are still many unknowns.

I appreciate the straight forward questions.

Unfortunately there will probably be unknowns forever. And believe me that frustrates me more than anyone

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 10:38 PM

p.s. john.

i think it would be a standup thing for you to petition to unban will76

I think from an outside perspective and someone who is no more a friend of will's than yours, that you both may have taken some cheap shots , and even if you feel will took more than you , why not be the bigger man. I dont think will hates you or nats just as i dont think you hate will so why silence someone who is PROactive in this industry, you may not agree with everything he says or does but you must agree that his heart is in the right direction more than it isn't , this cant be said about alot of people.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:39 PM

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p.s. john.

i think it would be a standup thing for you to petition to unban will76

I think from an outside perspective and someone who is no more a friend of will's than yours, that you both may have taken some cheap shots , and even if you feel will took more than you , why not be the bigger man. I dont think will hates you or nats just as i dont think you hate will so why silence someone who is PROactive in this industry, you may not agree with everything he says or does but you must agree that his heart is in the right direction more than it isn't , this cant be said about alot of people.

I mentioned in another thread that I have no problem with him being unbanned.

I actually think Will is a good thing for this industry. I even still think that. However, ever since the security issue and our acquisition of Segpay (around the same time) he seems to have a hard on for us and IMO he went over board that time.

That said I have no problem at all with him being unbanned.

DS250 · 03-06-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

hey guy who cannot read properly,
did you not read what i wrote ?

i dont even know will76 other than reading his threads , stop smoking crack son .

we are all slowly dying, i never once even suggested that i was dying anytime soon due to my health issues ? i really do feel sorry for you that you hallucinate these things, learn to read , i think thats your main problem

once again i must remind you because apparently you have a comprehension problem, i don't know will76 other than from on gfy , get it ? got it ? understand yet ? i explained in the first post of this thread why i don't icq john for an update but it seems you are too stupid to understand.

and you could have easily read the thread and not wasted your breath asking questions i already answered for you.

the 2 things have absolutley nothing to do with each other, im glad you seem to be so infatuated with me you care though.

Where should i send the latest copy of my MRI ?

English is my second language and I still comprehend fine liar. You said you didn't think it was proper to contact him individually. If you were really concerned you would have no reason to feel that way and would have jumped to contact him. You are full of shit and are nothing more than a motuhpiece for will76 and your other butt buddy vg sales. Say what you want but you are nothing more than an attention whore drama queen.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 10:45 PM

p.s.s. i trust nats and before and after this whole scenario if someone asked me what affiliate software to use i would and do recommend NATS ( well actually i have to be honest , i would say " go custom , but if you arent going to go custom then get NATS for many different reasons" )

DS250 · 03-06-2008, 10:45 PM

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Hey DS250, what's that brown stuff all over your demented face?

Tell your mother to douche and I wouldn't have that problem. See, ask a stupid juvenille question and get a stupid juvenille reply.

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

p.s.s. i trust nats and before and after this whole scenario if someone asked me what affiliate software to use i would and do recommend NATS ( well actually i have to be honest , i would say " go custom , but if you arent going to go custom then get NATS for many different reasons" )

Thanks Smokey. I'm sure you as well as anyone know that all softwares will have issues during their lifespan (even tho this one wasn't really an issue with the software itself).

Also, you know I don't doubt your intent. And I have no problem answering anyone's questions about the situation, as long as they are done in the right way and for the right reasons.

NETbilling · 03-06-2008, 10:51 PM

Good responses John.

Go NATS!

Mitch

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 10:53 PM

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English is my second language and I still comprehend fine liar.

really , then you must have a problem with your fingers typing questions that your brain fully understands have already been answered.

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You said you didn't think it was proper to contact him individually.

exactly, then you asked why i didnt ask him individually , its like you didnt even read what i wrote

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If you were really concerned you would have no reason to feel that way and would have jumped to contact him.

hmm now your slipping back into forgetting what i already just told you and you yourself repeated back to me..

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You are full of shit and are nothing more than a motuhpiece for will76 and your other butt buddy vg sales.

it seems rather obvious you have a fascination with gay sex , and you obviously care alot about me, i think you have your own issues son.

p.s. i'm married and i'm straight so i suggest a gay bar for you.

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you are nothing more than an attention whore drama queen.

i'm crushed really

and to think you wasted your time being fascinated with an "attention whore drama queen"

hungry hungry hippy · 03-06-2008, 11:00 PM

How to spot a surfer:

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Fuck, who cares?

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You said you didn't think it was proper to contact him individually. If you were really concerned you would have no reason to feel that way and would have jumped to contact him.

so rather than answering once publicly, for all to see, 100 people who want answers should each individually ask, right?

marketsmart · 03-06-2008, 11:05 PM

i have said this before and i will say it again (for the last time). i find it curious that after the nats issue was fixed, i see no new threads about people getting their epass accounts hacked and money being stolen out of epass accounts. are the two tied together? i dont know. i do know epass changed their security structure and thus far it seems to have corrected the issues epass was having.

can you comment on this john in regards to if you think the two events were realted or just by chance...

thanks...

TMM_John · 03-06-2008, 11:09 PM

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i have said this before and i will say it again (for the last time). i find it curious that after the nats issue was fixed, i see no new threads about people getting their epass accounts hacked and money being stolen out of epass accounts. are the two tied together? i dont know. i do know epass changed their security structure and thus far it seems to have corrected the issues epass was having.

can you comment on this john in regards to if you think the two events were realted or just by chance...

thanks...

Its 1am, but I can give a general reply that I do not think they were related. I might be able to give a more detailed reply tomorrow after speaking with a couple of my techs. I don't want to possibly misstate something.

DS250 · 03-06-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

really , then you must have a problem with your fingers typing questions that your brain fully understands have already been answered.

exactly, then you asked why i didnt ask him individually , its like you didnt even read what i wrote

hmm now your slipping back into forgetting what i already just told you and you yourself repeated back to me..

it seems rather obvious you have a fascination with gay sex , and you obviously care alot about me, i think you have your own issues son.

p.s. i'm married and i'm straight so i suggest a gay bar for you.

i'm crushed really

and to think you wasted your time being fascinated with an "attention whore drama queen"

I think that fake tumor is acting up on you again. I hope will76 at least gave you a reach around for being his bitch

Now run along mashed potato head, will76 said jump, so go say "yessir, how high?"

Multimedia · 03-06-2008, 11:22 PM

Why can't these issues be answered via ICQ.. When you make accusations like this on boards and try to discredit someone business you are setting yourself up for a defamation law suit. Keep in mind that the questions asked are not out of line, but just being brought up in the wrong environment. I bet that NATS has a phone line or two to use to answer any and all questions. NATS is a strong program that will always have issues since they are the top affiliate management solution.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2008, 11:27 PM

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I think that fake tumor is acting up on you again.

gee that makes alot of sense.

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I hope will76 at least gave you a reach around for being his bitch

why because thats what your boyfriend does for you ?

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Now run along mashed potato head

oh damn that hurt, you are absolutely correct son, my head is made entirely from mashed potatoes. How did you possibly know ? i lost it in a car accident and the plastic surgeon said nobody would ever know my head was made from mashed potatoes, im going to sue that asshole.. What gave me away ? was it the salt and pepper on top or the gravy running from my earlobes.. ?

candyflip · 03-06-2008, 11:29 PM

Thanks for some honest answers.

Konda · 03-07-2008, 02:14 AM

Wasn't there a program owner that was using Nats that joined his own paysite site with [email protected] and then got spammed quite soon after that on that email address? That's how this whole thing got out right?

How hard is to get a Platinumbucks or Dollarmachine linkcode from one of those emails and trace the affiliate that send out the spam by his affiliate linkcode, because he must be the one that bought that Nats list from someone that is involved with the script that spidered the new member email addresses from nearly every Nats program on a daily basis (or he is the 'hacker' himself, but I doubt that).

Shouldn't be hard right?

dig420 · 03-07-2008, 02:24 AM

I know John Albright. Fetishbucks.com will be switching to NATS in the very near future. There's your vote of confidence, if you're looking for one.

Turf · 03-07-2008, 04:04 AM

siggy on page 1 ?

DARKMAN · 03-07-2008, 03:43 PM

Best action, promote using ccbill.. You never lose. just my 2cents.

TMM_John · 03-07-2008, 03:44 PM

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Best action, promote using ccbill.. You never lose. just my 2cents.

CCBill (who I should add is a great company) has never had a security problem?

L-Pink · 03-07-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Theres a reason why you have a rearview mirror and its not to reminisce what you just saw

thats my humble advice.

03-06-2008, 09:20 PM	#2
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	p.s. if you dont want to answer the questions or want me banned for asking , why not instead just tell us why you don't think it needs answering.. I stopped asking questions ONLY because minusonebit took the whole thing way to far and i didnt think at the time it was proper to continue on like it was a witch hunt. I trust nats , help me trust it more __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-06-2008, 09:26 PM	#5
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Uh oh, you better make a "Incase I get banned" thread (j/k) Some valid questions though, interesting to see how it winds up. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Fuck, who cares? Your "data" is probably compromised everytime you buy something online. Who gives a fuck? When somebody steals some money from your bank account then you should go to the fucking bank and show them it was stolen and you get your money back. Getting spam emails? I've been getting thousands of them a day for 10 years. I bought spam arrest. Problem solved. Go back to work. Make money and stop asking foolish questions that even if they did answer...wouldn't make a bit of difference to you in any way. It's in the rearview. Move forward. That's my humble advice. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	Robbie, considering the sizable amount of people either using NATS as an owner or affiliate, I don't think this is a simple case of "move forward". This wasn't something that just affected a few people on the fringe, this was something that struck at the core of the industry. It was swept under the rug and didn't get the treatment it deserved because of minusonebit. He is gone and the mountain has gone back down to a molehill, and it is time for some answers. __________________ Old School

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xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	I think it's a shame that a program as widely used as NATS had an issue and that it's being swept under the rug. Shit happens with Scripts it's just how it is. But by not being open about it they are making themselves look a lot worse. If it's active in the courts then fine it's totally understandable that they don't want to talk about it. But if it's not then they should explain what happened as clearly as they possibly can. Is that so wrong to want to know what happened or possibly happened with your personal info? __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

03-06-2008, 09:16 PM	#1
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	NATS could you give us an update ? I haven't been posting on gfy much lately so i could give a fuck less if i get banned for "rehashing" a question that has not been answered. My sincere apologies to NATS if my questions have already been answered. Could we please get an update on the nats break-in and some straight answers. The following are pretty simple yes or no questions. As a nats affiliate was any of my data compromised in any fashion, and can you conclusively rule this out ? Was an employee/ ex employee responsible for the nats admin pass being used to break into sponsors using nats and can you conclusively rule this out ? Do you plan on suing the companies profiting from info stolen from MY signups i sent to nats programs ? Do you plan on reimbursing sponsors who use nats for the theft of signup data and will you advise sponsors to reimburse affiliates if this is the case ? Sorry if i am stepping on toes but i think its about time we get some straight answers , i think i speak for many affiliates who don't think its proper we should contact you on an individual basis to get answers. On a sidenote i think it would be proper for you to petition gfy admins to unban will76 as he was asking a question i'm sure thousand of other nats affiliates would like answered and wasn't. Having will76 banned for asking a fair question , makes it look like a cover-up __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-06-2008, 09:23 PM	#3
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,200	sIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIg

03-06-2008, 09:23 PM	#4
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I swear I just heard Scooby Do say Waat Woooh

03-06-2008, 09:42 PM	#9
pornask So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 253-233-241 Posts: 6,518	Zebra, what do you mean by saying that it didn't get attention due to minusonebit. He's the one who brought attention to it. it would not have been properly discussed at all, only few webmasters would know if it wasn't for minusonebit.

03-06-2008, 09:46 PM	#11
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Smokey 4 Life

03-06-2008, 09:52 PM	#14
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,200

03-06-2008, 09:54 PM	#15
John. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 2,264	Hopefully it's not being swept under the rug. __________________ Sig too old.

03-06-2008, 09:56 PM	#16
TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	Strike One For All Of You! __________________ Icq 247-742-205

03-06-2008, 09:59 PM	#17
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,200

03-06-2008, 10:08 PM	#19
DS250 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 411	Hey drama queen, didn't pbucksjohn not say he would be glad to update you if you ICQ him? Don't act like you didn't read and jack off to the thread 100 times with your butt buddy will76. I know you are desperate for attention with your bullshit "I have a brain tumor and am dying" threads, but at least stop being a mouthpiece for will76, show some spine, and ICQ pbucksjohn and fucking ask him yourself. You are just piling on for your faggot buddy. And for the record I think pbucksjohn is a public relations nightmare for the way he handles things but he did say you could easily contact him and you would have your answer. What, you too weak from your brain tumor to bother?

03-06-2008, 10:14 PM	#21
DS250 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 411	By the way, for the idiots that can't be bothered to contact them directly for a straight answer, don't you think maybe there is a reason for that? If something is being investigated don't you think they don't want to give info out on a public board where most of you losers aren't even program owners or affiliates? At least by ICQ they can verify if you are even worth filling in. Fucking drama queen losers.

03-06-2008, 10:20 PM	#23
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I missed one of your questions, sorry. No, there is no reimbursement being advised. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

03-06-2008, 10:23 PM	#25
pornask So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 253-233-241 Posts: 6,518	Hey DS250, what's that brown stuff all over your demented face?

03-06-2008, 10:38 PM	#30
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	p.s. john. i think it would be a standup thing for you to petition to unban will76 I think from an outside perspective and someone who is no more a friend of will's than yours, that you both may have taken some cheap shots , and even if you feel will took more than you , why not be the bigger man. I dont think will hates you or nats just as i dont think you hate will so why silence someone who is PROactive in this industry, you may not agree with everything he says or does but you must agree that his heart is in the right direction more than it isn't , this cant be said about alot of people. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-06-2008, 10:45 PM	#33
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	p.s.s. i trust nats and before and after this whole scenario if someone asked me what affiliate software to use i would and do recommend NATS ( well actually i have to be honest , i would say " go custom , but if you arent going to go custom then get NATS for many different reasons" ) __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-06-2008, 10:51 PM	#36
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Good responses John. Go NATS! Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

03-06-2008, 11:05 PM	#39
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	i have said this before and i will say it again (for the last time). i find it curious that after the nats issue was fixed, i see no new threads about people getting their epass accounts hacked and money being stolen out of epass accounts. are the two tied together? i dont know. i do know epass changed their security structure and thus far it seems to have corrected the issues epass was having. can you comment on this john in regards to if you think the two events were realted or just by chance... thanks...

03-06-2008, 11:22 PM	#42
Multimedia Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 118	Why can't these issues be answered via ICQ.. When you make accusations like this on boards and try to discredit someone business you are setting yourself up for a defamation law suit. Keep in mind that the questions asked are not out of line, but just being brought up in the wrong environment. I bet that NATS has a phone line or two to use to answer any and all questions. NATS is a strong program that will always have issues since they are the top affiliate management solution. __________________ Marketing & Design ICQ 802112

03-06-2008, 11:29 PM	#44
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Thanks for some honest answers. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

03-07-2008, 02:14 AM	#45
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	Wasn't there a program owner that was using Nats that joined his own paysite site with [email protected] and then got spammed quite soon after that on that email address? That's how this whole thing got out right? How hard is to get a Platinumbucks or Dollarmachine linkcode from one of those emails and trace the affiliate that send out the spam by his affiliate linkcode, because he must be the one that bought that Nats list from someone that is involved with the script that spidered the new member email addresses from nearly every Nats program on a daily basis (or he is the 'hacker' himself, but I doubt that). Shouldn't be hard right? Last edited by Konda; 03-07-2008 at 02:15 AM..

03-07-2008, 02:24 AM	#46
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	I know John Albright. Fetishbucks.com will be switching to NATS in the very near future. There's your vote of confidence, if you're looking for one.

03-07-2008, 04:04 AM	#47
Turf Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: ICQ: 64644691 Posts: 1,865	siggy on page 1 ? __________________ Daddy Strokes - mature men stroking their meat Mature Gay Movies - mature men fucking everyone! Pleasing Daddy - young girls fucking mature men Looking for submitter accounts for older men niche content (both gay and straight) so hit me up if you run a tube and offer submitter accounts for paysites.

03-07-2008, 03:43 PM	#48
DARKMAN So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: DARKLAND Posts: 73	Best action, promote using ccbill.. You never lose. just my 2cents.