fiddy....

What exactly are you trying to prove or disprove?

There has been an overall increase in the mean temperature... that "slight" increase in temperate has brought about climate change... that climate change can bring about periods of extreme cold.. or warmth etc. It's pretty easy to comprehend... And yes... climate change always happens.. but when talking about the earth and it's changes in weather etc., you have to look at dozens/hundreds of years and not a handful of years which is what most naysayers tend to do.

I'm of the mind that no matter if you believe in global warming or you don't, it can't hurt to do a few things to reduce your greenhouse gas emissions.

I've done more than most people I know, but there's always more to do. I haven't had to drive my car to work for going on 18 years now for one thing. Huge reduction right there. My home uses natural gas for heat, and I turn down the thermostat every night. I shut lights off in rooms I no longer need to be in, and I don't waste water. I run my washer and dryer full every time.

I installed water displacers in every toilet in the house about 15 years ago, so my toilets use about 1 litre of water LESS on every flush than without.

Saves money, it's no bother, and it can't hurt to be at least a small part of the solution I say.

http://www.wikihow.com/Reduce-Your-G...-Gas-Emissions


I don't see where it's such a big deal or imposition to do a few of the things listed on that page.

Im really not trying to prove or disprove anything much much much more research is needed to have a yes or no opinion. In the mean time why not try to do our best to not pollute, waste energy and what not, without the governments of the world trying to steal more wealth from the USA taxpayers.

I agree 100%. It seems people want to make being "green" an all or nothing proposition. That I either have to be horrible to the environment or making my clothes out of hemp.

There is nothing wrong with doing little things to help. Turning down the thermostat a degree, sealing windows better, installing a ceiling fan for the summer. People can put more efficient lights in ride a bike on occasion to something close by.

I'm not the best at being green by I do a lot of little things too. I crush cans and walk them down the street to a recycling center every couple weeks. I've switched my light bulbs and seal my place up nicely in the winter so that my heating bills aren't through the roof. I've switched almost every account I have to paperless billing. Old clothes are donated to the salvation army.

It's sad that more people can't just do little things and not be seen as loons for it. The sad thing is that most of the little things you or I have done actually save ourselves money.

:1orglaugh classic

This is the newest propaganda directive from the global warming alarmists. Since the reality does not correspond with their hysterical rhetoric they have no choice but to resort to Orwellian contortions that "cooling=warming". Funny stuff. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Exactly.

I forgot to mentioned in my earlier post that I sunk nearly $30k into my house last year, for deep-packing insulation (cellulose fibre), outer wall insulation and siding, new outer foundation, and insulation to R-50 in the attic. A few years before that I had the windows replaced which was another $8k.

But what an incredible difference I've noticed for heating over the winter. I've saved hundreds so far and at this rate it will be just under 10 years and I'll have made all that money back in savings on utility bills. Plus my home is worth a LOT more now due to the upgrades (and market increases of course).


Go green the right way and it can actually be lucrative.

Actually a warming of the planet would eventually result in cooling by many scientists scenarios. The last major cooling about 13,000 years ago was caused by the melting of glaciers into the Atlantic Ocean which caused it to fuck up thermohaline circulation.

I don't think anyone really knows for certain what would happen if the ice up North continues to melt. From my studies, I still believe that the more cold water put into the Ocean would cause an overall cooling of the planet (much like previous cooling periods). The Ocean and the thermohaline circulation of it helps heat up much of the planet that is far away from the equator.

But then again, we've never lived through one and it's impossible to guess what would happen. The planet is entirely complex and a little thing can cause major changes. For instance, it's believed that the dislodging of a glacier along the St. Lawrence river caused the Earth to cool by 10 degrees 13,000 years ago.

I agree. While I didn't go as far as you did, I did invest in some serious weather-proofing for all the windows as well as some better insulation on a wall that gets pelted by cold wind in the Winter. The result was a 20% drop in heating this year, which is a lot considering this was one of the coldest Winters we've had in Chicago in a long time.

Also added two ceiling fans which I run in the Summer which surprisingly cut my cooling down by about 10% last summer.

All in all this will pay for itself and then some by the end of this year.

I forgot one other detail on all those upgrades.... I got back about $3500 from government programs. :D

The government of Canada has some "Eco-Green" program that pays a % of your insulating materials, as does Manitoba Hydro.

I tell you, people who are resisting this green thing are so missing out.

And another question, what exactly do all the scientists have to gain by making this stuff up? Throughout history, typically it is not the scientists who make things up, it is the people in power who have something to lose because of it. Think of such findings as evolution, carbon dating, and even heliocentricism. It would seem that scientists don't have a very good motive for lying, while those opposing it do.

Too many extremists on both sides of this debate; including those writing papers and books on the subject. I think it tends to polarize people into all or nothing camps.

The science of the greenhouse effect is tight. The planet has been warming lately.

But .. From there you have to consider anthropogenic causes vs. non-anthropogenic causes. A good example being possible natural patterns of ocean salinity causing changes in ocean currents (thermohaline circulation).

Then after that, say you accept there has been mostly anthropogenic warming and that it will continue for a while, one might want to consider what would be the optimal temperature for the planet. What if it is 3 degrees higher than today? What about 5? Many more people die of cold death than heat deaths today. Are the additional lives saved from warmer temperature (up until some point) worth letting the planet warm? Or would we be playing a dangerous game?

Do us a favor and kill yourself. Seriously, I really do mean that. You're wasting oxygen and space that could be used for human beings that like using their brains.

It is rather simple. The people in power are picking the scientists who get funding.

The people in power right now don't exactly believe in science. :2 cents:

Or it can make a magical place where all the people will have lots of food and free ps3's :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I assume you are already aware of the answer and are intentionally obfuscating the point to hide your agenda, but the “Global Warming” hysteria (now called “Global Climate Change” to fit a new set of data) is being pushed by a wide variety of leftist groups who all share one common trait which is an opposition to capitalism and free markets (what the left calls “Globalization”).

Having failed to destroy capitalism through armed revolution they have turned their sights to imposing extremely burdensome restrictions on commerce and trade through the use of carbon caps and taxes. The only outcome of this nonsense will be to lower the global standard of living while at the same time increasing the power of government bureaucrats.

But of course you probably already know that. :)