Wrong! He'll just get a new Icq and start all over again! He used to be willsaucebox

Bit hard to "clean up" on $10 an ad no matter how professional they are. I guess it depends on your definition of "clean up" though.

God help me I actually read this entire thread. BannerAnt, it does not matter how good of a designer you are, it does not matter if you were 2 minutes late or 2 years late. You missed REPEATED deadlines. It goes like this:

1. He placed an order for 20 banners.
2. You showed him 10 completed banners and wanted 1/2 the money. He was nice enough to give you the money. I see repeated requests for a zip, all of which were ignored and then on the final day, you come up with some lame excuse that the zip link was on the page. You never mentioned that every time he asked for his banners, you just started saying that after you were told he did not want anything further. I call bullshit.

So what we have here is a guy with some talent as a designer who will never make it as one because he will not handle his business as a business.

What you are doing in this thread is turning off a hell of a lot of potential customers. What you need to do is to provide your customer with exactly what he paid for, and that would be 10 banners. If he does not buy the other banners, then you are SOL because he told you to stop working on them but you refused so it is YOUR fault for wasting additional time on them.

I also want to point out, not sure if anyone else actually looked at the banners...but I would not be too happy about the same content being used more than once. You basically cut out a few girls in the first lot of banners, and then reused some of them on the second batch...probably because you were trying to save time..but those are shortcuts that I would not like a designer I am paying to make

Black listed

Without reading your mindless dribble...

Banner Ant seems to not know how to schedule things correctly. He is in business only when he needs money. So if you need something done ASAP you need to align your ASAP with his ASAP need for bill money.

A good time to hire him is anytime from 28th - 31st. But don't let your work spill over into the new month because he won't be getting to it until the 14th when the car payment is due.

Move along.

I like the way you tell us How this designer fucked you and at the end tell us how this clown told you he is building a website full of stolen content...

Karma is a bitch across the board :disgust

Sadly, i've encountered many coders/designers like him in the past 7 years. :(

I was wary when he told me, but had seen good reports of him across the board. Should have followed my gut...

Always follow your gut...

And next time hit Chauncy or I up you will be more then taking care of :thumbsup

I could have your 20 banners delivered Friday morning btw...

And we have never missed a deadline :)

You know I was wondering about that...someone else told me the exact same thing. Didn't willsaucebox run the exact same promo prices for banners, have the exact same issues, and eventually end up ripping several people off?

And the plot thickens... :Oh crap

bannerant, you seem to be under the impression that there is such a thing as a "final deadline". a deadline IS final. you told him day after day you'd have his work done. when someone tells me that they'll be done the same day, i expect that it will be. period. otherwise they'd have the option to tell me a different day - that way, i can plan accordingly.

as far as telling a client all your roommate problems goes, i've seen people who post on this board work when they were ill, being evicted, with neighbor problems, computer problems, right after hurricanes, when their significant other was in the hospital or even dead. your personal problems are just that - YOUR personal problems. you can deal with them in many ways - put a lock on your bedroom door, move, get a separate office, throw your roommate out.

the rest of us have schedules to keep, and saying "oh, sorry - the designer has roommate problems" isn't something most of us would like to tell those who are waiting on us. the easy way to avoid it is to work with designers who can keep their personal lives separate from their businesses.

quantum, you should've hired me... I would've had the banners done for you in 24 hours. Just ask around, my clients love me because I deliver on time :)

Next time I'll know who to hit up :D

A real business man would have said "I am sorry for missing the dead line, enclosed is a link the files I have completed and I will complete and send you the rest of the work at no charge ASAP"

oops sorry wrong room need to get out here fast

I smell blood here :):):)

Where's my discount? And I paid $12 for that garbage. :1orglaugh

I only wish I got something along the lines of quality that BannerAnt puts out.

If you can show me samples of work that are anything close to his, I have a TON of banner work that needs to be done. I don't want another hack job.

Maybe I should join the party and post the icq log of my experience with bannerant.

You dicked him around for weeks, so stop with the "5 mins" talk.

If you are smart, or serious about your business, this is what you'll do:

*Send him the link to the stuff he paid for.

*Give him the rest of the banners for no charge, because you didn't make your deadlines and caused him so much hassle.

*Apologize for the whole mess and hope he accepts it.

*Never, ever tell a client about all your personal bullshit and problems. It's no excuse and no one gives a shit, anyway.


My guess is you're probably very young and you'll take the "fuck that shit" approach. If so, log out, create a new board name, get a new domain, and start over. Because your design career here is probably done, otherwise.

You defending him is pretty much the equivalent of Adolph's hiring Jeffrey Dahmer to endorse their meat tenderizer. I don't think anyone is buying it.

I couldn't care less what you think about me, but he puts out a much better product that most of the hacks here calling themselves "designers". That much is easy to see.

I don't care if he shits 24 karat banners out of his ass. If it takes him 2 weeks to deliver something he promised to have done in less than 24 hours, then he's a sorry excuse for a designer. And when he repeatedly writes, "I'll be done by tonight" and doesn't deliver, it also makes him a liar. Which is right up your alley, of course.

Jesus.

This is like a lesson in how to not do marketing.

It doesn't matter the ins and outs. Bannerant looks like an untrustworthy child.

Arguing like this over, what, 100 bucks?

I am starting 3 new aff progs in the next 2 months. Will need hundreds of banners. Won't be calling Bannerant.

Hit me up, lets work something out...

Be real careful when dealing with candyflip. He is a thief and will stab you in the back any chance he gets. Make sure you have clear and written agreement with him for deadlines and what he will provide if you decide to do business with him.


Candyflip: Stop copying and reselling shit!

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=220010


FletchXXX....wassup with candyflip?

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=765109


Fuck you Powercum and Candyflip

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=186866

Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup

I had candydick figured out the first day I came across him..

I would make him prepay, but other then that I think he pretty much has learned his lesson and is out of the fucking people over days...

He is still a major weesle though...:1orglaugh

Note to self: Never look for a roommate on craigslist

I dunno I'll have to look at the itinerary.

i'd like to see those samples... i have several clients who will be needing some banners...

is it really that fucking hard to send the zips? just wondering how this mess got so fucking big

Hey Quantum,

That really sucks about the banners. Theres no excuse for stuff like this and it's folks like him that give the rest of us designers a bad name.

I'll do the banners you're missing for free and I can have them done for saturday. just check out my site for some of my recent banner designs i've done. If you're interested feel free to hit me up via icq or email.

Designers on this forum.

STOP DOING WORK FOR FREE
STOP DOING WORK FOR $10

You are screwing the rest of us designers!

Yes you are desperate for work we get it.

I remember when I was getting $100+ (usually more) for *1* 624x80 sized banner.

I appreciate the gesture - but I didn't make this thread to try to get anything for free - just a head's up about my experiences.

I will be needing more stuff done soon - will use this thread for a base of working out who to do business with, and will check out portfolios.

Thank you again mate.

I can sympathise with BannerAnt not wanting to deliver the goods without payment, but it's not like quantum-x is an unknown n00b with 3 posts and of no fixed abode. (Wait... did I get that last bit right? ;) )

BA, being super stubborn is going to hurt your business in the long run. Anyone reasonable would agree that it would not take an appreciable amount of time or effort to re-send a link to the stuff that has already been paid for. If he asked for it 2 years down the track, then that may be a different matter, but this was only 2 weeks later.

I'm not sure whether the link posted here was for the first set or the whole lot, but if it's the former then hows about posting the rest and moving on. You're just hurting your biz by keeping this thread alive.

I purchase 4 banners from BannerAnt months ago, he told me 1-2 days and each day he keep saying "tonight or tomorrow" and this went on for 7 days.
I paid up front and I did get the banners but it was only after I threaton to get my paypal money back. It took 30 minutes after that.

lol yeah its amazing how fast someone can work where there is a threat of losing the payment they received.

I read through this entire thread and you have to be the dumbest business person ever.

Here's a tip. The client is always right (psst... Even if you think they're wrong) The drama this thread created will likely ensure that you lost a ton of business.

If you had instead come into the thread and been a man (not giving excuses) and said something to the effect... "You know what? you're right quantum (even if you didn't think he was) and to make up for the delays I'm going to give you the complete order (including the additional animated banners you rushed to finish to try to save the order) and won't charge you because of the delays"

This would not only have saved you the grief of looking like a tool but likely would have garnered you much more business (remember kids business = money) in the long run.

has anyone spoken to him lately/at all? i've been waiting for something for about three months now...

he's now completely ignoring my ICQs and emails whereas before, he'd at least give me an excuse and ask for more time...

...it's been over two months since he was to have completed the work i asked of him.:321GFY

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