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Originally Posted by ADL Colin
(Post 13980539)
D,
There is an interesting take on that in Bjorn Lomborg's newest book if you didn't come across it.
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Will do, man... the guy's made my list. I'll get to him eventually... lol.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 13980786)
As much as you'd like to think I'm a complete idiot and that I believe everything I read without question I'd have to say you are wrong. I too have been studying this topic for almost 20 years inlcuding in university where I majored in geography with courses in atmosphere, climate, geology and statistics.
I don't deny that there has been warming and I never have. I used to believe that warming was caused by man and that it was bad. In light of newer evidence I no longer believe either of those things. My opinions change when the facts change and right now the facts don't add up to man-made catastrophic global warming.
The sites I have provided are not run by armchair bloggers or casual observers of the debate. These are serious people doing serious work and ignoring them in favour of sensationalism and alarmism in the news and from politicians is a huge mistake.
Take this site, that I forgot to add to list, for example:
http://www.climateaudit.org/ ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Audit)
It is run by Stephen McIntyre, one of the guys who debunked the famous hockey stick graph and discovered an error in the GISS data that removed 1998 from being the warmest year on record.
If you want to disregard people like him that's your choice, but then you can't say that you are open to new information.
You sound like a smart guy but now that you've thrown out the "big oil" argument and called evidence that is contrary to what you believe "blatant misinformation" I seriously doubt that you are interested in the "acquisition of knowledge" at all. The "big oil" argument is often used by people suffering from cognitive dissonance who don't want to be bothered with "inconvenient" information that might challenge their view of things.
:2 cents:
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I don't think you're a complete idiot, nor do I want to. If either were the case, i wouldn't have bothered spending much time typing a reply to you... nor would I consider links you provided worth the time of checking out.
I'll add the new link to the list of links I'll check out when I have more time... probably sometime during or after my trip this week that's preventing me from attending the Forum.
Contrary to your doubts, I am interested in real knowledge - whatever form it might take... and that's why I value the peer-reviewed scientific community over the works or opinions of any single person. It's the closest thing we have to establishing scientific truth in our paradigm.
A dozen independent scientists scouring over an article, and agreeing that good science was used in authoring it trumps the non-reviewed works of a lone gunman, I think.
And all I'm asking from you is to use those peer-reviewed sources.
If I mentioned "big oil" and what-not, it's because, in my experience, it does seem that, lone scientists who get on a podium and state that global warming is a myth are invariably backed, in some way, by big oil. Maybe your links will shed new light on that for me... maybe they won't... guess we'll see.
In the meantime - all I'm asking from you - as you seem a capable individual - is a few peer-reviewed sources to back your claims that global warming "stopped 10 years ago." To me, it seems a bold claim, seeing as how 10 years isn't even a blink of an eye in geological time... but i realize that doesn't mean it's not so. Remember, you're the one that first replied to me reasserting that it's all a "fraud"... ok... so show me, in the peer-reviewed scientific community... where it is.
I'm totally open to changing my mind on any subject... but I don't typically do it at the behest of one or two radical zealots. My opinions change when the facts change, too... so show me some reputable, peer-reviewed, facts.
