Fixing the economy is simple, why's it so hard?

[farkedup]

Incredibly simple to fix our economy...

All we have to do is bring back OUR JOBS! What are the biggest ways to do this?

Higher import taxes. Put this tax money where its needed: education

100% block the import of chinese made goods (improve quality too)

Prevent jobs from going overseas.

When we call an 800 number for support make it ILLEGAL to get sent to a fuckin indian call center (preferably completely block any outside callcenters) This will save us an estimated 100BILLION hours at work not dealing with shitty support

Make Walmart actually carry american made goods again!

Tax the hell out of ANY retailer selling more than 50% of non US made goods (walmart has to be like 2% american made these days)

Prices for goods will go up I know but at least we'll keep our houses! The average american would make 30% more at least so who cares if we have to pay an extra 20% for most things?

the other obvious solution won't go over well in the "world politics" but FUCK THEM! We're in a recession so we don't need to be spending money on developing nations and helping others! America will have a third world countries economy in 5-10 years if we don't focus on taking care of US!

[Mr Pheer]

well you obviously have all the answers

now solve global warming

[moeloubani]

Ok, 100% block on all goods from China, then your toothbrush all of a sudden went from $3 to $15 and your shoes went from $75 to $400.

Now, just go tell the people that hire everyone that they should pay everyone way more because their American and suffer a hit from their bottom line.

Then watch the economy grow?

[Thurbs]

better minds then us struggle to find the real solution .. the problem with changes, our government is so full of bullshit as a system. so much shit to just drop money into other people pockets, little accountablity, it's all hacked together. need to rebuild the entire system, take in account for all services, cut military alot and do it again fresh. if we go into another depression, then it should be enough to galvanize people for change.

mistakes aren't punished, they are used to win the election for the next guy. we need massive reforms b4 we'll ever really get it together again.

[After Shock Media]

Eh... wtf?
Um how about no, we do not need to be telling companies how to run their business or what to carry. Hell what if I happen to like certain imported stuff, suddenly I get to pay a 50% surcharge if I want for instance some Australian wine or some Italian cheese? Not to mention why would I as a business owner even desire to pay some outrageous hourly rate for under trained, non motivated, high turn over labor?

Why can it not just be more simple without punishing others. Perhaps ending a failed drug war and taxing its usage. Cutting some unneeded social programs, killing the depart of education and just allowing the money to follow students thus opening schools to the private sector. Maybe raising some general taxes some. What about investing in our infrastructure so that its easier to transport people and goods in this nation without waste. Then couldn't we look at bloated government departments that are almost useless or at very least out of date, like the IRS for one.

I suppose in essence I am saying there are much easier ways to change things without fucking over the freedoms one should have nor the worlds economies which we are linked to.

[tony286]

Wanna fix the economy make all interest paid on all forms of personal credit deductible again. In a country were the avg american has 5 cc, this is a big savings and encourages spending.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Eh... wtf?
Um how about no, we do not need to be telling companies how to run their business or what to carry. Hell what if I happen to like certain imported stuff, suddenly I get to pay a 50% surcharge if I want for instance some Australian wine or some Italian cheese? Not to mention why would I as a business owner even desire to pay some outrageous hourly rate for under trained, non motivated, high turn over labor?

Why can it not just be more simple without punishing others. Perhaps ending a failed drug war and taxing its usage. Cutting some unneeded social programs, killing the depart of education and just allowing the money to follow students thus opening schools to the private sector. Maybe raising some general taxes some. What about investing in our infrastructure so that its easier to transport people and goods in this nation without waste. Then couldn't we look at bloated government departments that are almost useless or at very least out of date, like the IRS for one.

I suppose in essence I am saying there are much easier ways to change things without fucking over the freedoms one should have nor the worlds economies which we are linked to.

Quoted for fucking truth!

[spunkmister]

Originally Posted by tony404

Wanna fix the economy make all interest paid on all forms of personal credit deductible again. In a country were the avg american has 5 cc, this is a big savings and encourages spending.

the last thing Americans need is to accure more debt.

like people have already mentioned in this thread, if you think big coporations are going to let their bottom line get hit that hard then you are living in a fantasy world.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Eh... wtf?
Um how about no, we do not need to be telling companies how to run their business or what to carry. Hell what if I happen to like certain imported stuff, suddenly I get to pay a 50% surcharge if I want for instance some Australian wine or some Italian cheese? Not to mention why would I as a business owner even desire to pay some outrageous hourly rate for under trained, non motivated, high turn over labor?

Why can it not just be more simple without punishing others. Perhaps ending a failed drug war and taxing its usage. Cutting some unneeded social programs, killing the depart of education and just allowing the money to follow students thus opening schools to the private sector. Maybe raising some general taxes some. What about investing in our infrastructure so that its easier to transport people and goods in this nation without waste. Then couldn't we look at bloated government departments that are almost useless or at very least out of date, like the IRS for one.

I suppose in essence I am saying there are much easier ways to change things without fucking over the freedoms one should have nor the worlds economies which we are linked to.

Actually companies that pay a real wage like costco. They turn over is much less then those who choose to min wage.
Also most actually benefit from the government much more then they realize.If the government didnt regulate we would have unsafe food and child labor and thats just off the top of my head.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Ya forgot 1 thing.

Special interests representing corporations.

You know right? Remember the guys that really run the USA?
The way to fix the economy is yes. Bring jobs back to America.
Drop NAFTA and increase imports. Its really that simple.

USA would recover in 5 years and have a surplus in 3.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by spunkmister

the last thing Americans need is to accure more debt.

like people have already mentioned in this thread, if you think big coporations are going to let their bottom line get hit that hard then you are living in a fantasy world.

well if the middle class keeps fading away there will be less and less people to buy their products.

[GrouchyAdmin]

You're about 40 years too late. The US hasn't created as much as it's imported for decades; the few jobs we had, we outsourced to save cash and feed the greed of those higher up. Most of the companies we had even two decades ago are just names, sold to offshore companies. RCA? Emerson? Curtis Mathis? All Gone.

The only viable plan is to actually pull in the reins. Social programs? Time to have a third party do the book keeping. Government spending? Lots of luck, but you can try.

[spunkmister]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

You're about 40 years too late. The US hasn't created as much as it's imported for decades; the few jobs we had, we outsourced to save cash and feed the greed of those higher up. Most of the companies we had even two decades ago are just names, sold to offshore companies. RCA? Emerson? Curtis Mathis? All Gone.

The only viable plan is to actually pull in the reins. Social programs? Time to have a third party do the book keeping. Government spending? Lots of luck, but you can try.

yeah I dont think a lot of people realize how much of a holding interest a lot of foriegn companies and foriegn soverign funds hold in US companies. Just look at some of the top Financial institutions and see what % of them are held by foriegn nations.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by tony404

Actually companies that pay a real wage like costco. They turn over is much less then those who choose to min wage.
Also most actually benefit from the government much more then they realize.If the government didnt regulate we would have unsafe food and child labor and thats just off the top of my head.

There are always some exceptions like costco where it is really working, however this does not translate into all other businesses. It just has with a few like the one you mentioned, the Buck company and a few others.

I am a little ok with some government regulation and I did not state that it was wrong. I did not bash the minimum wage or other forms of it either. Though I disagree with child labor laws for the most part.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Ok, 100% block on all goods from China, then your toothbrush all of a sudden went from $3 to $15 and your shoes went from $75 to $400.

First of all my shoes aren't $75 and the hippies make shoes that you can buy all day long for $50 or less. The indians make some nice shoes too.... There will always be a place for importing some like italian shoes and shit and I'd even be OK with giving Mexico a break so Nike's and shit won't be as expensive. an overlooked fact is if we give mexico some of the shitty jobs we don't want THEY can get some of the money that is currently going to China/asia for manufacturing... If we keep them in mexico it saves us ton on welfare and shipping their asses back and all that... give them a reason to stay down there and they aren't our problem anymore LOL

I would still tax mexican imports heavily BUT just not nearly as much as the other parts of the world.

[IllTestYourGirls]

more simple than that. END THE FED and stop printing so much fucking money

[tony286]

nikes are made with 30 cents a day labor and I dont see them giving them away. People also forget for years the US built what it consumed and the prices weren't crazy and the country was strong.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by tony404

nikes are made with 30 cents a day labor and I dont see them giving them away. People also forget for years the US built what it consumed and the prices weren't crazy and the country was strong.

Men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri.

That was many, many, many, many years ago. The US is no longer capable; we've shut down most of our steel plants, we don't have nearly the amount of raw materials - hell, even our fucking beef jerky is imported from Brazil.

[Diligent]

Quote: "The average american would make 30% more at least so who cares if we have to pay an extra 20% for most things?"


If the U.S. would make the exact changes You propose, I don't think that the higher cost of things will settle at 20% more... try 200% or more!

And then You'll have further effects in action as well, like less national consumption due to everything costing more... and thus companies will ditch more people and eventually go bankrupt.

Less people affording, less profits for Your businesses, less tax-money flowing in... it's a fucking mess no matter how You turn it.

BTW: this is huge issue for any other economically developed western country, as this is not just hitting the U.S. (which has been running the world's most "hardcore" capitalism, with other western countries following the lead)...

I'm telling Ya... it doesn't look like the economic systems we have in place, are capable of handling the "globalising" world and economy of today.

Generally speaking, and speaking about whole countries and not just poor/wealthy individuals...
the "western world" is going down the toilet, and "newcomers" like India / China / Latin America is only *slightly* getting their heads above the surface in that same toilet.

Long-term, capitalism as of the past 200 years, is fucked.

[pornmasta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism << wrong solution

[Antonio]

yeah, then cancell all the money, get the bills out of circulation and go back to the barter economy, here - I'll give you a left shoe for 3 loafs of bread

[Matiz]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism << wrong solution

[juz]

Originally Posted by farkedup

Incredibly simple to fix our economy...



Higher import taxes. Put this tax money where its needed: education

100% block the import of chinese made goods (improve quality too)

Prevent jobs from going overseas.

I thought you want to fix the economy? If we followed your ideas the USA would resemble the great depression in about 6 months.

what do you think would happen if we blocked Chinese goods? They would call in our debt we owe them and bail on investments with the Us. The only thing would collapse our economy faster then following your idea would be another 9/11 type attack.

Guess you are right about pouring money into education if you are what the system is producing.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by tony404

People also forget for years the US built what it consumed and the prices weren't crazy and the country was strong.

Times were better ...

Other than the 6 year long panic of 1873 and the failure of the largest US bank at the time.

Other than the Panic of 1893, the failure of some of the railroads a run on the gold supply.

Other than the Panic of 07 and the rescue of the banking system engineered by JP Morgan.

Other than the 3 year long recession after world War I that came with sky high inflation

Other than the Great Depression. 10 Years of misery. No further details needed.

Other than the recessions of 53 and 57 which also came with high inflation.

Other than the nasty, brutish recession of 73-75 which caused a severe bear market accompanied by a quadrupling of oil prices and leading to inflation of over 10%.

Other than the worst recession since the Great Depression that started the 1980s. Both Unemployment and inflation over 10%.

Other than the Savings & Loan disaster that lead to the closing of 1000 financial institutions that started the 1990s.


Sure, things have always been great. NOW they are falling apart.

[CDSmith]

Farkedup for president!

[tranza]

Damn, that was just retarded.

[woj]

Some people failed economics 101 here... :-/

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by juz

I thought you want to fix the economy? If we followed your ideas the USA would resemble the great depression in about 6 months.

what do you think would happen if we blocked Chinese goods? They would call in our debt we owe them and bail on investments with the Us. The only thing would collapse our economy faster then following your idea would be another 9/11 type attack.

Guess you are right about pouring money into education if you are what the system is producing.

This is truth. Regulation is what's causing the US to head into a downward spiral. Eliminate the rewards for innovation and guess what, no more reason for innovation and progression forward. America is a borderline Socialist country at this point, and as things get worse more people will be open to communism ideas as an answer. Laziness and complacency is causing people look to the "all powerful" government to fix their problems, instead to working towards a fix themselves.


Add uneducated citizens to the mix, with a more powerful government and THIS is what turns people into slaves and miserable human beings. The lower the education level the easier it is to lead people like sheep, controlling them through fear and other means.


People should be thinking for themselves, instead of relying upon the government to fix all their problems. Unfortunately with the dumbing down of America it will take generations to fix at this point.