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  • ninavain
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    • Jan 2004
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    #1

    Obama Just Knocked It Out Of The Park

    incredible speech Obama 08
  • xxxdesign-net
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    #2
    have you been inspired?

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    • ADL Colin
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      • Feb 2001
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      #3
      Beautiful speech ...

      We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.

      Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched Americas improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.

      The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nations original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least twenty more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations.

      Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution - a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

      And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part - through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

      This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign - to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together - unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction - towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.

      This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity of the American people. But it also comes from my own American story.

      I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Pattons Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. Ive gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the worlds poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

      Its a story that hasnt made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts - that out of many, we are truly one.....

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338869,00.html


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      • IllTestYourGirls
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        #4
        Did he make a speech about the economy?

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        • Atticus
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          • Dec 2004
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          #5
          It was a great speech and he is a great speaker. Unfortunately that is his main qualification. In this day and age of media soundbites and 24 hour news this might be enough. An example of this is he could of diffused this situation last week but his comments after his pastor's sermons came to light were elusive at best. It took him and I can only assume his speech writers and advisors a week to come up with something that explained his views. That's not exactly leadership and honesty but "coveringyourassity"

          I'm not sure who said this, think it was the NY Times but it hits it spot on.

          'The troubling part is that the Obama campaign has become about how great the Obama campaign is.'

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          • ninavain
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            #6
            I'LL Take his change over McCain anyday

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            • escorpio
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              • Oct 2002
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              #7
              Originally posted by ninavain
              I'LL Take his change over McCain anyday
              Then you should probably start backing Clinton. Obama doesn't stand a chance.
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              • baddog
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                #8
                Originally posted by ninavain
                I'LL Take his change over McCain anyday
                What change is that?

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                • 2012
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by baddog
                  What change is that?
                  someone will be changing McStains diaper soon ...
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                  • baddog
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by fartfly
                    someone will be changing McStains diaper soon ...
                    Oh, so he is old. Probably compared to you Obama is old too.

                    WTF does that have to do with change?

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                    • IllTestYourGirls
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                      • Feb 2007
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                      #11
                      So what did Obama say about the fed bail out in his speech?

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                      • baddog
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                        So what did Obama say about the fed bail out in his speech?
                        He is too busy with damage control to deal with issues.

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                        • uno
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                          #13
                          Is it on youtube yet?
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                          • uno
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                            #14
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3HzL_MFegE
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                            • IllTestYourGirls
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                              #15
                              I heard Obama is black is that true?
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEUda92a1c

                              Originally posted by baddog
                              He is too busy with damage control to deal with issues.

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                              • CosmicTang
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by baddog
                                What change is that?
                                well for starters, Obama is igniting the youngsters to participate in the political process. That's something worth noting since Clinton and McCain couldn't garner their attention.

                                Another is that Obama is a GenXer. The country has been in the hands of the WWII and Baby Boomer generations long enough. I want to see my generation take over. I think we can do a better job.

                                I thought his speech was magnificent. I've never been excited about a presidential candidate in my life and he's the reason I voted in a primary for the first time.

                                Anyone who can get people excited about politics and participate and bring in the young vote is effecting change.
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                                • uno
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                                  #17
                                  Er wait... that doesn't look like the one posted above.
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                                  • tony299
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                    What change is that?
                                    Unless you havent been watching McCain has been so far up W's ass. People dont want 4 more yrs of this. Also come the general election, another bank fails ,gas is over $5 a gallon and things continue there shitty decline. No one will give a shit about terrorists or Iraq when the are struggling make ends meet.

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                                    • IllTestYourGirls
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                                      #19
                                      what is obamas plan to change all of that? Universal health care?

                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                      Unless you havent been watching McCain has been so far up W's ass. People dont want 4 more yrs of this. Also come the general election, another bank fails ,gas is over $5 a gallon and things continue there shitty decline. No one will give a shit about terrorists or Iraq when the are struggling make ends meet.

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                                      • baddog
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                        well for starters, Obama is igniting the youngsters to participate in the political process. That's something worth noting since Clinton and McCain couldn't garner their attention.

                                        Another is that Obama is a GenXer. The country has been in the hands of the WWII and Baby Boomer generations long enough. I want to see my generation take over. I think we can do a better job.

                                        I thought his speech was magnificent. I've never been excited about a presidential candidate in my life and he's the reason I voted in a primary for the first time.

                                        Anyone who can get people excited about politics and participate and bring in the young vote is effecting change.
                                        There have been lots of candidates over the years that got young people excited about the process. Nothing new about that.

                                        What will that do for the economy or anything else for that matter?

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                                        • baddog
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                          what is obamas plan to change all of that? Universal health care?
                                          Thank you. More expenses should help.

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                                          • uno
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                                            #22
                                            ok...

                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU
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                                            • CosmicTang
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                              There have been lots of candidates over the years that got young people excited about the process. Nothing new about that.

                                              What will that do for the economy or anything else for that matter?
                                              Like Obama has done? name one. As for what that will do, people who have hope and are excited are well motivated to help. People who become cynical and apathetic because they see the same game played by the same people are far less likely to have any enthusiasm.
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                                              • tony299
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                what is obamas plan to change all of that? Universal health care?
                                                Go to his site and you can read all about it. Also what Hillary and obama are talking about doing isnt universal health it still goes thru health insurance companies. Its not they want obama or Hillary they want something new that hopefully will get the country back on track. Following W's policies isnt going to do that.

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                                                • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                  • Feb 2007
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                                                  #25
                                                  howard dean

                                                  Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                  Like Obama has done? name one.

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                                                  • tony299
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                    Thank you. More expenses should help.
                                                    The countries going down the toilet and your happy with the current path?

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                                                    • pocketkangaroo
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                                                      #27

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                                                      • D
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                                                        #28
                                                        Obama is certainly an inspirational speaker.
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                                                        • baddog
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                          Like Obama has done? name one.
                                                          Kennedy and McGovern come to mind.

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                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                            #30
                                                            Obama sounds like a dictator. He is promising things he can not ever give. The president does not have the power to give tax cuts, the president does not have the power to change tax code, the president does not have the power to invest in manufacturing, the president does not have the power to deploy next generation broadband, the president does not have the power invest in rural areas, the president does not have the power to raise the min wage, the president does not have the power to Create a Universal Mortgage Credit, the president does not have the power to Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry, Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures and so forth. Where is all the money coming from again?

                                                            Man that is tiring so I will stop. He can not do any of those things.

                                                            btw I do not support McCain either

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                                                            • CosmicTang
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                                              Kennedy and McGovern come to mind.
                                                              Ahh, RFK. I overlooked him, I remember his older brother first because he was a president. You're right. And you prove my point. This guy has mobilized the young and inspired the uninspired like no one since the John or Bobby Kennedy.

                                                              You're comparing him to RFK and how Bobby Kennedy moved people to care about their country and politics again. You don't see the significance in that?
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                                                              • baddog
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                Ahh, RFK. I overlooked him, I remember his older brother first because he was a president. You're right. And you prove my point. This guy has mobilized the young and inspired the uninspired like no one since the John or Bobby Kennedy.

                                                                You're comparing him to RFK and how Bobby Kennedy moved people to care about their country and politics again. You don't see the significance in that?
                                                                Cool, he inspires people. That and $3.85 will get you a venti mocha.

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                                                                • CosmicTang
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                  Obama sounds like a dictator. He is promising things he can not ever give. The president does not have the power to give tax cuts, the president does not have the power to change tax code, the president does not have the power to invest in manufacturing, the president does not have the power to deploy next generation broadband, the president does not have the power invest in rural areas, the president does not have the power to raise the min wage, the president does not have the power to Create a Universal Mortgage Credit, the president does not have the power to Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry, Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures and so forth. Where is all the money coming from again?

                                                                  Man that is tiring so I will stop. He can not do any of those things.

                                                                  btw I do not support McCain either
                                                                  Not by himself, no. But a president with a mandate of the people has an incredible amount of clout to push things through. Reagan got a lot accomplished because he had a clear mandate. If Obama has the support of the people he can get things done. Unless the Republicans in Congress decide to carry on with partisan politics instead of serving their constituencies.
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                                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Then why has he not won his own primary?

                                                                    Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                    Ahh, RFK. I overlooked him, I remember his older brother first because he was a president. You're right. And you prove my point. This guy has mobilized the young and inspired the uninspired like no one since the John or Bobby Kennedy.

                                                                    You're comparing him to RFK and how Bobby Kennedy moved people to care about their country and politics again. You don't see the significance in that?

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                                                                    • ADL Colin
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                      Ahh, RFK. I overlooked him, I remember his older brother first because he was a president. You're right. And you prove my point. This guy has mobilized the young and inspired the uninspired like no one since the John or Bobby Kennedy.

                                                                      You're comparing him to RFK and how Bobby Kennedy moved people to care about their country and politics again. You don't see the significance in that?
                                                                      It's interesting. Obama's speechwriter, in an interview said that for his inspiration ?I actually read a lot of Bobby? Kennedy. ?I see shades of J.F.K., R.F.K.,? he said, and then added, ?King.?


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                                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        most of those mandates take away civil liberties.

                                                                        Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                        Not by himself, no. But a president with a mandate of the people has an incredible amount of clout to push things through. Reagan got a lot accomplished because he had a clear mandate. If Obama has the support of the people he can get things done. Unless the Republicans in Congress decide to carry on with partisan politics instead of serving their constituencies.

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                                                                        • CosmicTang
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                          Then why has he not won his own primary?
                                                                          He's won MANY primaries. He hasn't won the nomination yet. Two big differences between him and RFK:

                                                                          1. Kennedy was political royalty. His brother was lionized by Americans so he
                                                                          didn't have the same hill to climb as Obama who was an unknown.
                                                                          2. Obama is running against a Clinton, who has as big a name in politics since
                                                                          Kennedy, along with the Bush family.
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                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            He should have won the nom by now if he is as inspiring as people say. Or the next logical thought is Clinton is just as inspiring.

                                                                            Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                            He's won MANY primaries. He hasn't won the nomination yet. Two big differences between him and RFK:

                                                                            1. Kennedy was political royalty. His brother was lionized by Americans so he
                                                                            didn't have the same hill to climb as Obama who was an unknown.
                                                                            2. Obama is running against a Clinton, who has as big a name in politics since
                                                                            Kennedy, along with the Bush family.

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                                                                            • CosmicTang
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                              most of those mandates take away civil liberties.

                                                                              By mandate I mean he has a clear message from the people that they support the direction he's going in.

                                                                              What civil liberties do you think are threatened here? And if you want to talk about the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the history of the United States you need not look further than the current administration.
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                                                                              • Drake
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                                It's interesting. Obama's speechwriter, in an interview said that for his inspiration ?I actually read a lot of Bobby? Kennedy. ?I see shades of J.F.K., R.F.K.,? he said, and then added, ?King.?
                                                                                The Kennedy's didn't write their own speeches either.

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                                                                                • CosmicTang
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                  He should have won the nom by now if he is as inspiring as people say. Or the next logical thought is Clinton is just as inspiring.
                                                                                  Clinton is a polished Belt Way insider with a huge political machine that goes back nearly two decades. The very fact he's ahead at this point is a clear indicator that he is inspiring people.
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                                                                                  • ADL Colin
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by CosmicTang
                                                                                    And if you want to talk about the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the history of the United States you need not look further than the current administration.
                                                                                    And not FDR?!!


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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I think that Obama is going to do something that we will all regret.
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                                                                                      • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                        Cool, he inspires people. That and $3.85 will get you a venti mocha.
                                                                                        And with McCain you'll get one of the most corrupt politicians we have in office. A man who was behind one of the greatest banking scandals in our country's history. A man who's campaign staff is almost entirely made up of major lobbyists. His Chief of Staff is a career lobbyist. He has raised more money from the lobbying community than any candidate running in this election. It doesn't take much time to look up the stuff he has pulled while in the Commerce Department.

                                                                                        So Obama has no major experience (neither did Lincoln, FDR or Washington). But I'd take someone with no experience over someone who is experienced in corruption. Someone who is essentially bought and paid for by the major lobbyists. I guess I'm just tired of seeing major companies write our bills, I'd rather that power switch a little bit back to the people. Maybe Obama won't be able to change any of that, but I already know what I'm getting out of McCain, and I don't care for it.

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                                                                                        • Snake Doctor
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          It amazes me how hateful some people are....if Obama offered to make baddog Secretary of State he would still talk shit about him and dis him every chance he got.

                                                                                          Why can't people be reasonable at least?

                                                                                          I'm a dyed in the sackcloth liberal, I supported Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, John Edwards (in 2004) and now Obama, but I'm still willing to admit that McCain has been great on issues like campaign finance reform and earmarks during his tenure in the Senate.

                                                                                          I'm willing to admit that George W Bush has done more for the continent of Africa than any president in history and he should be applauded for it.

                                                                                          Obama just gave an incredible speech on race in America. It was a brutally honest take on race relations in this country that resonated with black and white people alike. It was an historic moment.

                                                                                          Why for the love of god can't you just admit that?

                                                                                          THIS sort of bickering is one of the reasons that I love Obama....he's willing to fight for what he believes in without demonizing the other side. He realizes there are smart people out there who disagree with him, and he doesn't have to belittle them or sling mud at them in order to make his point.
                                                                                          THAT is the kind of change America needs. One where people can disagree with a war and not be accused of being unpatriotic or accused of not supporting our troops. One where people can say our health care system is broken and needs drastic reforms without being called a socialist. One where people can be pro-choice and not be told that they want to kill babies.

                                                                                          If you want 4-8 more years of mud-slinging, gridlock, and demonizing people who disagree with you, then vote for someone else. If you'd like to see the end of that and the start of an honest intellectual debate on the issues the country faces, then vote for Obama.
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                                                                                          • CosmicTang
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                            It amazes me how hateful some people are....if Obama offered to make baddog Secretary of State he would still talk shit about him and dis him every chance he got.

                                                                                            Why can't people be reasonable at least?

                                                                                            I'm a dyed in the sackcloth liberal, I supported Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, John Edwards (in 2004) and now Obama, but I'm still willing to admit that McCain has been great on issues like campaign finance reform and earmarks during his tenure in the Senate.

                                                                                            I'm willing to admit that George W Bush has done more for the continent of Africa than any president in history and he should be applauded for it.

                                                                                            Obama just gave an incredible speech on race in America. It was a brutally honest take on race relations in this country that resonated with black and white people alike. It was an historic moment.

                                                                                            Why for the love of god can't you just admit that?

                                                                                            THIS sort of bickering is one of the reasons that I love Obama....he's willing to fight for what he believes in without demonizing the other side. He realizes there are smart people out there who disagree with him, and he doesn't have to belittle them or sling mud at them in order to make his point.
                                                                                            THAT is the kind of change America needs. One where people can disagree with a war and not be accused of being unpatriotic or accused of not supporting our troops. One where people can say our health care system is broken and needs drastic reforms without being called a socialist. One where people can be pro-choice and not be told that they want to kill babies.

                                                                                            If you want 4-8 more years of mud-slinging, gridlock, and demonizing people who disagree with you, then vote for someone else. If you'd like to see the end of that and the start of an honest intellectual debate on the issues the country faces, then vote for Obama.
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                                                                                            • Inde
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by pocketkangaroo

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                                                                                              • Snake Doctor
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                                                                                                • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                He should have won the nom by now if he is as inspiring as people say. Or the next logical thought is Clinton is just as inspiring.
                                                                                                I'm so sick of this argument that says that because Obama hasn't wrapped up the nomination yet it means he isn't a strong candidate.

                                                                                                On the contrary, the fact that he's still in this proves what a strong candidate he is.

                                                                                                Hillary Clinton had all of the money, all of the establishment support, all of the endorsements, 200+ superdelegates in her pocket before the first votes were cast, and a former president campaigning for her every day....a former president who left office with a 60%+ approval rating (and much higher than that among democrats)

                                                                                                Hillary Clinton had all of the advantages that Walter Mondale and Al Gore had when running for the democratic nomination, yet SHE hasn't been able to close the deal. A candidate with that much establishment support and name recognition should have closed the deal on Super Tuesday.
                                                                                                The Clinton campaign actually believed it would be over by Super Tuesday, they spent all of their money and had no strategy in place for the primaries and caucuses that took place after that.

                                                                                                The fact that she, who was 20+ points ahead in the national polls as recently as two months ago, wasn't able to wrap this up against an insurgent candidate goes to show what a weak candidate and polarizing figure Hillary is.
                                                                                                The fact that Obama has been ahead of her in pledged delegates ever since the first vote was cast in Iowa, despite all of his disadvantages (running against what was practically an incumbents campaign) shows what a strong candidate he is.
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                                                                                                • latinasojourn
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                                  incredible speech Obama 08
                                                                                                  yes, gotta admit the guy has an IQ and can think on his feet.

                                                                                                  did not read that speech, must have worked from an outline, he was looking
                                                                                                  everywhere while talking.

                                                                                                  and he says some things that are not politically expediant.

                                                                                                  and his wife is smart as a whip.

                                                                                                  my guess is you'll see darkies in the white house.

                                                                                                  hope he is smart enough to pick edwards as VP.

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                                                                                                  • Ayla_SquareTurtle
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                                                                                                    • Sep 2005
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    I don't know, something about Obama... when he talks, I just don't believe him. He comes across as a liar. It's purely a gut feeling but it really bothers me. Of course we all know Bush lies through his teeth but somehow he at least seems like he believes his BS as it comes through his lips.
                                                                                                    gone. long gone.

                                                                                                    aylasquareturtle .."a"t".. gmail dawt com

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