Obama's Pastor: God Damn America

[cykoe6]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/st...4443788&page=1

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

I am sure many here would likely agree with most of what he has said and this kind of rhetoric will probably help him in the Democratic primaries but how will it effect him with independents and "Reagan Democrats" in the general election?

[AdPatron]

He has a point.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/st...4443788&page=1



I am sure many here would likely agree with most of what he has said and this kind of rhetoric will probably help him in the Democratic primaries but how will it effect him with independents and "Reagan Democrats" in the general election?

Im sure hes not worried about a very small fraction of Democrats who have since seen what they get when they vote Republican when they are supposed to be Dems. I say fuck em. Traitors

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Im sure hes not worried about a very small fraction of Democrats who have since seen what they get when they vote Republican when they are supposed to be Dems. I say fuck em. Traitors

But I thought the appeal of Obama was his ability to get the votes of independents and conservative Democrats who often vote for Republican presidential candidates? If he runs a hard left, anti-America campaign won't that likely result in another Republican victory?

[2012]

God doesn't bless America more or less then any other place on the planet ... unless I missed something that said worshiping money gets you favors.

If you are capable of critical thinking and forming your own opinions it will probably not effect you...

[Cum&Spam]

A little Offtopic

I see it very clearly: ppl just have to look at 1 thing. Do they want more 4 years of war around the world, failed economics, the same Bush failed policy (only with McCain in Bush's place)? i mean c'mon...
I respect McCain for his honorable past and fight for America but this is 2008 man, this is the time when Americans need the wars to end. Need more money into their pocket, better health care etc and McCain clearly can't deliver that...

Obama or Clinton should have a chance now for President. A Democrat should win.

Bush is so stupid, he makes me sick. Yesterday i was watching CNN and he was talking about economy and making a parody about how he would get money to his daughter wedding... in a time when Americans are struggling to not loose their homes, to find jobs, to pay more and more for food, this man opts to make jokes...

[Gouge]

Good ole' anti American hate speech at its best. But have no worries, Barack Hussein Obama's message of change and hope will solve the worlds problems.

[DWB]

I agree with him.

God damn America.

More attacks will come. And we have it coming.

[spunkmister]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Good ole' anti American hate speech at its best. But have no worries, Barack Hussein Obama's message of change and hope will solve the worlds problems.

he'd have to try real hard to fuck it up more that the current administration has.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Im sure hes not worried about a very small fraction of Democrats who have since seen what they get when they vote Republican when they are supposed to be Dems. I say fuck em. Traitors

Thought you were a Republican. Guess you have proven that you are merely a liar.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I agree with him.

God damn America.

More attacks will come. And we have it coming.

You own the program in your sig?

[pornguy]

He has " FEW " points.

I dont think that the US really wants to build more and bigger prisons. I dont think that the US is handing out the drugs on the street corners, I dont think that the prisons are ONLY filled with blacks, and thats the way he is trying to make it look.

As for the other things. Some of that is surly debatable.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by baddog

Thought you were a Republican. Guess you have proven that you are merely a liar.

I have posted many times that I always vote for who I think will run our country for the better. To me there is nothing more bi partisan than voting for the President of our great country. If the Republicans choose to run someone who does not have true Repblican beliefs and way of governing, I then have no problem crossing party lines and doing whats best for my country. Why should I support someone who doesnt represent the qualities of a GOOD president? Why do I vote for a Republican when he is running on a NON CONSERVSTIVE platform, like insanely costly wars? Its called a FREE country. Remember that? Or has the bullshit clouded your eyes so heavily?

[jalami]

It's pretty stupid to say "God damn America." First Amendment allows him to say so, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is stupid. Problem here is equating America's government with its people. If he wanted to say "God damn the current administration" that's definitely a valid denigration but doesn't sound quite as good from the pulpit.

[Mister E]

Originally Posted by pornguy

He has " FEW " points.

I dont think that the US really wants to build more and bigger prisons. I dont think that the US is handing out the drugs on the street corners, I dont think that the prisons are ONLY filled with blacks, and thats the way he is trying to make it look.

As for the other things. Some of that is surly debatable.

The problem I see here is The U.S.A. deals with drugs as a criminal issue, not a health concern. The infamous War on Drugs helped reverse the post 1950's forward momentum. We are now in a new Cold War and my fear is the War on Drugs that begat the War on Terror will have a red-headed step son (no, not Big D) called the War Against Media.

Let's face, information leads to that ugly thing called thinking.

However much we see disagreements on this board, most of us are for freedom of choice, speech, information and...damn it it's nice to smoke a fatty and rejoice in the fact this (the USA) is STILL the greatest nation on earth.

And I say that as a Canadian that is sickened by cuture, religion, intolernace and the fact JenniDahling lives so far away.

[KILL_FRENZY]

Agreed

[who]

God less america

[warlock5]

Clearly, a giant douche is better than a turd sandwich. I know who I am voting for this November.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by jalami

It's pretty stupid to say "God damn America." First Amendment allows him to say so, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is stupid. Problem here is equating America's government with its people. If he wanted to say "God damn the current administration" that's definitely a valid denigration but doesn't sound quite as good from the pulpit.

[Beaver Bob]

jesus... this guy is becoming the black version of fred phelps.

[escorpio]

Obama's supporters are going to lose the election for him.

[Sarah_Jayne]

So, take away the 'god damn America' bit and he does have points that are valid but of course people won't move past the shock phrase.

[D]

Originally Posted by jalami

It's pretty stupid to say "God damn America." First Amendment allows him to say so, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is stupid. Problem here is equating America's government with its people. If he wanted to say "God damn the current administration" that's definitely a valid denigration but doesn't sound quite as good from the pulpit.

Who represents a people if not their leaders?

Our leaders have power through us. We permit them to do what they do.

[2012]

Originally Posted by D

Who represents a people if not their leaders?

Our leaders have power through us. We permit them to do what they do.

we deserve who we elect ... unless they elect them for us... i give up

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I agree with him.

God damn America.

More attacks will come. And we have it coming.

I guess that would be the definition of self hatred.

[2012]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I agree with him.

God damn America.

More attacks will come. And we have it coming.

The American people are guilty of believing in their leaders. Believing what they say without question. Guilty of believing all that Disney shit they tell you when your young. Its just time to make this a government of the people like it was supposed to be in the first fucking place. Nobody deserves that man. You're just doing these fuckers a favor and spreading the fear

[Snake Doctor]

I used to be catholic, and one of the priests from my church molested a child....therefore you should never vote for me for president.

[GetSCORECash]

A Liberal... Pat Robertson

These guys all talk shit, and their flocks listen to every word they say.

God Bless America!

[Sarah_Jayne]

I almost think people are making his point for him.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I guess that would be the definition of self hatred.

When I say "we" I say it because I was born in that land and am a citizen for the time being. The USA totally has it coming, and lots of it. Lots and lots and lots of it. The USA has been doing wrong around the world for longer than I have been alive and now they are beginning to reap what they sow. That's just the way shit works, like it or not.

I didn't make the rules, nor do I care to play the game. I simply know what it is and what is to come and thank God I no longer live and support a failing system.

I am an expat by choice and will never live in the USA again. I am not now nor was I ever a patriot. Don't want to be. I prefer to think of myself as larger than a simple "american" and consider myself a human in the world, without borders or rules that keep me from being kind to fellow man on my terms, not the terms of some leader or government that tells me what I can and can not do. Fuck that and fuck them. I am a slave to them now. They may own me on paper at the moment, but that will change in the near future.

It's going to get a LOT worse before it gets better for the USA.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by D

Who represents a people if not their leaders?

Our leaders have power through us. We permit them to do what they do.

While in theory I agree with you, in reality I don't. Go ahead and try to stop anything that is going on. Start a movement and act on something. Defy paying your taxes or refuse to go to war if you are in the military (or if you are drafted), then see what we permit them to do.

It used to be a government for the people, by the people. Now... we are just along for the ride.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

But I thought the appeal of Obama was his ability to get the votes of independents and conservative Democrats who often vote for Republican presidential candidates? If he runs a hard left, anti-America campaign won't that likely result in another Republican victory?

Did Obama say it? Is Obama's pastor going to sit in the white house? I think not, why this is even news is beyond me. Did they ever do stories about Bush's pastor or any other president's? Suprised ABC would stoop so low as to drag in a story like this.

besides that the guy is for the most part right..

[V_RocKs]

Give this man a free car and a house to shut him the fuck up!

[nico-t]

voters only see 'god damn america' so this will hurt obama more than it will help him. Dumb ass pastor.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by nico-t

voters only see 'god damn america' so this will hurt obama more than it will help him. Dumb ass pastor.

I was thinking today that in a sick and twisted way this might actually help Obama.

Only because right now 13% of Americans think he is a muslim, that number is up from 8% a month ago...so the internet rumors about his background are hurting him with some voters....if they keep playing the tape of a pastor at a Christian church where Obama is a member....then he can both distance himself from the pastor guy, while reinforcing the fact that he is a christian.

May end up being a net gain of a point or two in the polls when it's all said and done.

[pocketkangaroo]

And the pastor McCain calls an "ally" is a fucking nut too. He claimed Hurricane Katrina was God's way of punishing New Orleans for allowing homosexual parades and other levels of sin. He said that God was taking land from the US for not supporting Israel enough. The guy said that the Jews disobedience is what caused them to be killed during the holocaust. Even Catholics are in his aim as he called the religion "The Great Whore".

Point is, who gives a fuck what these people think? I don't give a shit what Obama's pastor, maid, or hair stylist thinks. I don't give a shit what McCain's driver, accountant or even wife thinks. I'm voting for the guy, not their supporters.

In fact, being agnostic, I'd be more inclined to be upset that these guys are still turning to religion after much of it has been disproven.

[DWB]

i dont see how some of you an even disagree with what the man said. the guy is spot on.

i think its insane anyone would hold something like this against obama. who fucking cares. its not the pastor who is running for pres. yet this and guy who gets caught hiring a whore is all anyone can talk about, when there are serious REAL issues out there that need to be addressed.

my god america has its head up its own ass.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by fartfly

Nobody deserves that man. You're just doing these fuckers a favor and spreading the fear

missed this one.

deserves what? attacked?

tell that to the 100s of 1000s of civilians we have been dropping bombs on over the past few years.

we are just breeding terrorists now. its only a matter of time before we have our asses handed to us by them or heaven help us when a few sleeper cells are called to duty that are already sitting in the usa with a suitcase nuke.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Point is, who gives a fuck what these people think? I don't give a shit what Obama's pastor, maid, or hair stylist thinks. I don't give a shit what McCain's driver, accountant or even wife thinks. I'm voting for the guy, not their supporters.

In fact, being agnostic, I'd be more inclined to be upset that these guys are still turning to religion after much of it has been disproven.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

When I say "we" I say it because I was born in that land and am a citizen for the time being. The USA totally has it coming, and lots of it. Lots and lots and lots of it. The USA has been doing wrong around the world for longer than I have been alive and now they are beginning to reap what they sow. That's just the way shit works, like it or not.

I didn't make the rules, nor do I care to play the game. I simply know what it is and what is to come and thank God I no longer live and support a failing system.

I am an expat by choice and will never live in the USA again. I am not now nor was I ever a patriot. Don't want to be. I prefer to think of myself as larger than a simple "american" and consider myself a human in the world, without borders or rules that keep me from being kind to fellow man on my terms, not the terms of some leader or government that tells me what I can and can not do. Fuck that and fuck them. I am a slave to them now. They may own me on paper at the moment, but that will change in the near future.

It's going to get a LOT worse before it gets better for the USA.

You summed up exactly how I feel.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

i dont see how some of you an even disagree with what the man said. the guy is spot on.

my god america has its head up its own ass.

I understand that most people here hate America and believe it is the source of most of the world's problems. Obviously to people who believe these kind of statements this will help Obama, but as a candidate who is supposed to "bring everyone together" and "heal the racial divide" do you really think these kind of statements will help him the general election?

I assume you think most Americans are uneducated sheep who don't understand that the US is the source of most of the world's ills, so wouldn't this hurt Obama's election chances...... or are Americans smart enough to understand that their country does deserve to be targeted by terrorists and bombed as you believe?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I was thinking today that in a sick and twisted way this might actually help Obama.

Only because right now 13% of Americans think he is a muslim, that number is up from 8% a month ago...so the internet rumors about his background are hurting him with some voters....if they keep playing the tape of a pastor at a Christian church where Obama is a member....then he can both distance himself from the pastor guy, while reinforcing the fact that he is a christian.

May end up being a net gain of a point or two in the polls when it's all said and done.

i doubt that.... we have experienced that voters only go for the headline text and nothing more with bush..... hell, bush was elected TWICE, before the second election for him i thought that would be impossible but as you can see it is possible when enough extremely retarded people vote. Really weird to see that happen. So i wouldnt be surprised at all if Bush-dick-sucking mccain is the next president. It would be a huge disaster for me and my fellow european webmasters since the dollar will slide into a deeper pit than it would be with one of the democratic contestants...... HUGE ass recession, bigger than what is happening right now and thats a lot. And anyone trying to bring in the ' yes buts' please dont bother. Clinton - went well. Bush - fucked up. Its as simple as that. No need to bring in vague statistics that have nothing to do with these facts.

No buts. No ' but clinton set it up in his time' bullshit. Thats so fucking weak. Bush fucked up. Mccain will fuck it up further. DONT vote for the old man, please. For the world economy' s sake.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Obama is a racist.

If he was going to this Ministers sermons for 20 something years, had his daughty baptised by em, and was married by em and then titled a fucking book based on what the Ministers says...

Its pretty safe to say Obama does indeed share a racist opinion and is indeed a racist.

Ya do not willingly goto a ministry that preaches white hate for 20 years and not agree with the ministry.

Obama is a fucking racist bigot period.
If he had any decency Obama would have cut out of the ministry long long ago.

You dumb fucks that voted for em should be ashamed, it just proves how simple it is to manipulate into voting for a nobody in politics. Jeesus I got an idea lets put a 1 time noob racist fucking senator in the white house. Good going tards!

[nico-t]

before im sober, that was a drunk rant. But a very truthful drunk rant.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Obama is a racist.

If he was going to this Ministers sermons for 20 something years, had his daughty baptised by em, and was married by em and then titled a fucking book based on what the Ministers says...

Its pretty safe to say Obama does indeed share a racist opinion and is indeed a racist.

Ya do not willingly goto a ministry that preaches white hate for 20 years and not agree with the ministry.

Obama is a fucking racist bigot period.
If he had any decency Obama would have cut out of the ministry long long ago.

You dumb fucks that voted for em should be ashamed, it just proves how simple it is to manipulate into voting for a nobody in politics. Jeesus I got an idea lets put a 1 time noob racist fucking senator in the white house. Good going tards!

dude, everything is better tahn Bush part II (Mccain). Even a monkey is better.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I used to be catholic, and one of the priests from my church molested a child....therefore you should never vote for me for president.

END OF THREAD .. HE JUST SUMMED THIS WHOLE SITUATION UP

If people are going to be judged by their pastors ( most are molesters ) then no one would be qaulified for anything

Any person I know that belongs to a church... will tell you in hart beat that they do not agree with everything that the paster says....

this is foxnews making a big ado about nothing

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

END OF THREAD .. HE JUST SUMMED THIS WHOLE SITUATION UP

If people are going to be judged by their pastors ( most are molesters ) then no one would be qaulified for anything

Any person I know that belongs to a church... will tell you in hart beat that they do not agree with everything that the paster says....

this is foxnews making a big ado about nothing

Another racist for Obama.

[nico-t]

pastors are child molesters...... id trust a turkish street huslter selling watches before id trust one of those fucking religious freaks. Kill em all. Kill all religious fucks, christian, islamic, whatever. They cant be saved. Wipe em all out. Until then we wil always have war, and, when finally a religiousless world is a fact, worldwide peace will be the result.

[Porn Farmer]

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Quoted for truth.

All of America's problems with terrorism are the direct result of its own foreign policy, now and in the past.

If you're going to stir up a hornet's nest, don't complain when you get bitten.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by nico-t

It would be a huge disaster for me and my fellow european webmasters . . . DONT vote for the old man, please. For the world economy' s sake.

Get used to it. McCain is a shoe in.