Another FRAUDULENT Affiliate! - ATTN: Program Owners/Affiliate Reps - GoFuckYourself.com

Jake · 03-09-2008, 06:10 PM

You may want to check your database for the following affiliate:

Beneficiary Name: shidongsheng
E-mail Address: [email protected]
First Name: dongsheng
Last Name: shi
Company Name: weloer

I know the public posting of someone's personal information seems to be somewhat controversial however I?ll continue to publicly post the information of each and every webmaster we identify as sending fraudulent sign-ups to our program. I hope this will assist other programs in limiting their losses and send a very clear message to potential fraudsters.

12clicks · 03-09-2008, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

You may want to check your database for the following affiliate:

Beneficiary Name: shidongsheng
E-mail Address: [email protected]
First Name: dongsheng
Last Name: shi
Company Name: weloer

I know the public posting of someone's personal information seems to be somewhat controversial however I?ll continue to publicly post the information of each and every webmaster we identify as sending fraudulent sign-ups to our program. I hope this will assist other programs in limiting their losses and send a very clear message to potential fraudsters.

outing thieves is only looked down upon by the rabble.

notoldschool · 03-09-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

You may want to check your database for the following affiliate:

Beneficiary Name: shidongsheng
E-mail Address: [email protected]
First Name: dongsheng
Last Name: shi
Company Name: weloer

I know the public posting of someone's personal information seems to be somewhat controversial however I?ll continue to publicly post the information of each and every webmaster we identify as sending fraudulent sign-ups to our program. I hope this will assist other programs in limiting their losses and send a very clear message to potential fraudsters.

what did he do?

Shoehorn! · 03-09-2008, 06:19 PM

If they're scammers/cheaters they're information needs to be posted.

Thurbs · 03-09-2008, 07:11 PM

actually ...... u should be hitting programs with the info direct. the more we post publically, the more they will adapt.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

You may want to check your database for the following affiliate:

Beneficiary Name: shidongsheng
E-mail Address: [email protected]
First Name: dongsheng
Last Name: shi
Company Name: weloer

I know the public posting of someone's personal information seems to be somewhat controversial however I’ll continue to publicly post the information of each and every webmaster we identify as sending fraudulent sign-ups to our program. I hope this will assist other programs in limiting their losses and send a very clear message to potential fraudsters.

Not that I doubt the guy is a scammer or that there is anything wrong with outing frauds, however, I know one of the rules here requires affiliates to provide proof before accusing a sponser of shaving in public. Shouldn't the same also be required for outing cheating affiliates?

What'd the guy do and what proof have you.

Jake · 03-10-2008, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

If they're scammers/cheaters they're information needs to be posted.

scottybuzz · 03-10-2008, 08:55 AM

oh come on lol, whos real first name is dongsheng?

Wizzo · 03-10-2008, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

oh come on lol, whos real first name is dongsheng?

Someone from Vietnam, and like I've said many times, programs need to ban Vietnam across the board and will save lots of headaches...

Blazing · 03-10-2008, 09:17 AM

I agree with Jake's public posting of fraudulant affiliates... but, I also agree that being 100% certain of the accusation is very important.. some of these fraudulant affiliates make it easy to be 100% certain , they have certain M.O's that are more than obvious.. I wont be specific, as I dont want to smarten them up.. but, I think any program who has spotted them out know what i am referring too... and then there are the cases where it is just high suspect.. and, in that case, I personally wouldnt post publicly.

In any event, FYI.. I looked up this affiliate's name in my program, and he is not only an affiliate, but, his info is slightly different than with Jake's.. email addy is different, and it appears his 1 transaction is fraudulant.. I have nuked him from our program!!

nation-x · 03-10-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Someone from Vietnam, and like I've said many times, programs need to ban Vietnam across the board and will save lots of headaches...

I think that webmasters in LOTS of countries should be either banned or undergo extreme scrutiny. I think everyone should start with RUSSIA. Ther are many good affiliates there but 90% of them install trojans or pull other crap... I would bet that CC fraud would take a huge dip if this were implemented.

Jake · 03-10-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Someone from Vietnam, and like I've said many times, programs need to ban Vietnam across the board and will save lots of headaches...

Funny this guy actually just signed-up a day or 2 after we had that conversation on ICQ regarding a high rate of fraudulent webmasters out of Vietnam. The name raised a red flag however he had requested "check" as his method of payment and the mailing address was in Canada. Just gotta keep a close eye on everyone.

Paolo · 03-10-2008, 10:06 AM

There us a guy in Vietnam who will sign up with 10 different affiliate ids and switch them up on you. He is doing it to several programs that I know of. He will use phoney addresses and it is always a paypal payment. Keep you eyes on this guy. He is been doing this for years and 100% of the time you will be hit with a chargeback.

stev0 · 03-10-2008, 10:19 AM

Anyone ever thought about setting up an online database of fraudulent affiliates? Programs could add in names, a moderator could talk to both parties and find out exactly what happened, and if it was in fact fraud the person would be added to the list and basically blacklisted from all affiliate programs.

Owners could use this for screening new affiliates or taking action against suspected fraud within their programs.

DutchTeenCash · 03-10-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0

Anyone ever thought about setting up an online database of fraudulent affiliates? Programs could add in names, a moderator could talk to both parties and find out exactly what happened, and if it was in fact fraud the person would be added to the list and basically blacklisted from all affiliate programs.

Owners could use this for screening new affiliates or taking action against suspected fraud within their programs.

great idea

then again they change email name and cc # faster then underwear

CIVMatt · 03-10-2008, 10:27 AM

Thank you we'll make note of it

UniversalPassLorence · 03-10-2008, 10:32 AM

Thanks, we should all post the scammers on this board.

D · 03-10-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Not that I doubt the guy is a scammer or that there is anything wrong with outing frauds, however, I know one of the rules here requires affiliates to provide proof before accusing a sponser of shaving in public. Shouldn't the same also be required for outing cheating affiliates?

What'd the guy do and what proof have you.

This is different, and I don't believe proof needs to be stated in these cases.

1) Primarily, affiliate info does not generally make him identifiable to anyone but those programs that have him/her in their affiliate database. No GFY usernames were used. In cases that they are, or there's something that publicly ties the affiliate info to a GFY username - sure... maybe proof should be needed... but in these cases? Nah.

2) I, and I expect most others, don't go "oh, this guy's a cheater? Well... /suspend /delete /revoke /nuke," but rather use this info as a guide-light to an affiliate who might be a cheater, and check out the info that we have for the individual ourselves.

If an affiliate program identifies someone as cheating, that generally means that they're a carder (use credit card information fraudulently)... but it could mean three or four other types of transgressions, too. Whatever the case, I'm checking out the information on our databases, and always appreciate it when other programs share this kind of information.

Cheaters fuck things up for everyone.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 03-10-2008, 10:41 AM

Some alternate information for dongsheng shi:

E-mail: [email protected]
Company name: shidongsheng

Tanker · 03-10-2008, 10:52 AM

here is another email he goes by we banned him many months ago

[email protected]

Tanker · 03-10-2008, 10:55 AM

I make it a point to check all of my Vietnamese affiliates and many other countries too I spend many hours a week watching for fraud

Tanker · 03-10-2008, 10:59 AM

in fact here is another you can add to your list Jake check to make sure you don't have this guys on your list my processors also stopped taking his traffic

Timothy Nguyen (US)
[email protected]

mattyboy · 03-10-2008, 11:02 AM

Posting this info is both and good and bad.

It helps program owners to check there database but at the same time, the affiliate can change info once signed up if they see these posts.

Many carders also have more than one epass account.

We get an automated email if an afil changes there info. The usual trick for them is to change from check payout to epass a day before payout day - we've caught a few this way.

Another step we've made is not accepting webmasters who use free email addys as 99% of carders use yahoo/hotmail/gmail etc.

Yes it pisses off a few afils but how hard is it to set up a 'proper' email addy if you have a 10 dollar domain?

tranza · 03-10-2008, 11:14 AM

What did he do?

signupdamnit · 03-10-2008, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D

This is different, and I don't believe proof needs to be stated in these cases.

1) Primarily, affiliate info does not generally make him identifiable to anyone but those programs that have him/her in their affiliate database. No GFY usernames were used. In cases that they are, or there's something that publicly ties the affiliate info to a GFY username - sure... maybe proof should be needed... but in these cases? Nah.

2) I, and I expect most others, don't go "oh, this guy's a cheater? Well... /suspend /delete /revoke /nuke," but rather use this info as a guide-light to an affiliate who might be a cheater, and check out the info that we have for the individual ourselves.

If an affiliate program identifies someone as cheating, that generally means that they're a carder (use credit card information fraudulently)... but it could mean three or four other types of transgressions, too. Whatever the case, I'm checking out the information on our databases, and always appreciate it when other programs share this kind of information.

Cheaters fuck things up for everyone.

I'd say the first and last name identifies him quite well if it is indeed his (probably not in this case). Posting an affilaites personal information (Name) is probably of more concern to many affiliates more than which GFY name they use.

I'm sure most of the people here who post this stuff are fairly sure about it, but sometimes mistakes also can happen and some are more careful than others. If someone put me on a public list of fraudulent affiliates along with my personal details over a misunderstanding you can bet that I'll be pretty pissed off about it. The scammer isn't going to give a shit because their info is false in the first place.

D · 03-10-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'd say the first and last name identifies him quite well if it is indeed his (probably not in this case). Posting an affilaites personal information (Name) is probably of more concern to many affiliates more than which GFY name they use.

I'm sure most of the people here who post this stuff are fairly sure about it, but sometimes mistakes also can happen and some are more careful than others. If someone put me on a public list of fraudulent affiliates along with my personal details over a misunderstanding you can bet that I'll be pretty pissed off about it. The scammer isn't going to give a shit because their info is false in the first place.

Right. And in the case of the person coming here and saying "hey, fucktard... that's my name... you're talking about me... what did I do?" - then his info has been linked to a GFY username, and what I said earlier applies.

Otherwise, connecting the dots, and telling a cheater how he got caught's, generally, only going to make him more efficient at not getting caught the next time. What else, in a practical sense, would it solve for?

Sure, mistakes can happen... and that goes back to my 'guide-light' statement earlier - if I suspend/ban an affiliate, I've always got my own reasons, apart from any GFY thread.

Jake · 03-10-2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanker

here is another email he goes by we banned him many months ago

[email protected]

Thanks!

03-09-2008, 06:10 PM	#1
Jake Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CO, US Posts: 3,056	Another FRAUDULENT Affiliate! - ATTN: Program Owners/Affiliate Reps You may want to check your database for the following affiliate: Beneficiary Name: shidongsheng E-mail Address: [email protected] First Name: dongsheng Last Name: shi Company Name: weloer I know the public posting of someone's personal information seems to be somewhat controversial however I?ll continue to publicly post the information of each and every webmaster we identify as sending fraudulent sign-ups to our program. I hope this will assist other programs in limiting their losses and send a very clear message to potential fraudsters. __________________

03-09-2008, 06:19 PM	#4
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	If they're scammers/cheaters they're information needs to be posted. __________________

03-10-2008, 08:55 AM	#8
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	oh come on lol, whos real first name is dongsheng? __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

03-10-2008, 09:17 AM	#10
Blazing Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Irvine, CA, USA Posts: 1,665	I agree with Jake's public posting of fraudulant affiliates... but, I also agree that being 100% certain of the accusation is very important.. some of these fraudulant affiliates make it easy to be 100% certain , they have certain M.O's that are more than obvious.. I wont be specific, as I dont want to smarten them up.. but, I think any program who has spotted them out know what i am referring too... and then there are the cases where it is just high suspect.. and, in that case, I personally wouldnt post publicly. In any event, FYI.. I looked up this affiliate's name in my program, and he is not only an affiliate, but, his info is slightly different than with Jake's.. email addy is different, and it appears his 1 transaction is fraudulant.. I have nuked him from our program!! __________________ [email protected] ICQ 7703879

03-10-2008, 10:06 AM	#13
Paolo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 491	There us a guy in Vietnam who will sign up with 10 different affiliate ids and switch them up on you. He is doing it to several programs that I know of. He will use phoney addresses and it is always a paypal payment. Keep you eyes on this guy. He is been doing this for years and 100% of the time you will be hit with a chargeback. __________________ [

03-09-2008, 07:11 PM	#5
Thurbs The Thrilla in Manila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thurbs' Lagoon, Christmas Island Posts: 4,785	actually ...... u should be hitting programs with the info direct. the more we post publically, the more they will adapt.

03-10-2008, 10:19 AM	#14
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Anyone ever thought about setting up an online database of fraudulent affiliates? Programs could add in names, a moderator could talk to both parties and find out exactly what happened, and if it was in fact fraud the person would be added to the list and basically blacklisted from all affiliate programs. Owners could use this for screening new affiliates or taking action against suspected fraud within their programs.

03-10-2008, 10:27 AM	#16
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Thank you we'll make note of it __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

03-10-2008, 10:32 AM	#17
UniversalPassLorence Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Califonia Posts: 3,721	Thanks, we should all post the scammers on this board. __________________ $25.00 PPS for $1.00 Trial Making Webmasters Money Since 1997 ICQ: 305090349

03-10-2008, 10:41 AM	#19
Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	Some alternate information for dongsheng shi: E-mail: [email protected] Company name: shidongsheng

03-10-2008, 10:52 AM	#20
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	here is another email he goes by we banned him many months ago [email protected] __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

03-10-2008, 10:55 AM	#21
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	I make it a point to check all of my Vietnamese affiliates and many other countries too I spend many hours a week watching for fraud __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

03-10-2008, 10:59 AM	#22
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	in fact here is another you can add to your list Jake check to make sure you don't have this guys on your list my processors also stopped taking his traffic Timothy Nguyen (US) [email protected] __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

03-10-2008, 11:02 AM	#23
mattyboy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,070	Posting this info is both and good and bad. It helps program owners to check there database but at the same time, the affiliate can change info once signed up if they see these posts. Many carders also have more than one epass account. We get an automated email if an afil changes there info. The usual trick for them is to change from check payout to epass a day before payout day - we've caught a few this way. Another step we've made is not accepting webmasters who use free email addys as 99% of carders use yahoo/hotmail/gmail etc. Yes it pisses off a few afils but how hard is it to set up a 'proper' email addy if you have a 10 dollar domain?

03-10-2008, 11:14 AM	#24
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	What did he do? __________________ I'm just a newbie.