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Fap 03-10-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by malakajoe (Post 13903788)
As stated earlier you have to get everything in writing, exactly what the project will entail. This protects both sides. If you don't get a complete estimate and scope of work then either side should expect it to go wrong, and more than likely will go wrong.

If customer goes out of the scope of work a project change must be written and approved, with any cost changes (if any).

Go through all the motions or you will get screwed.

It doesnt make a difference, i have the emails saying it will be done on the due date, and i also have all the bullshit excuses emails along with the fake launch dates...

I do have documentation, he knows he bailed on the project and didnt finish the job he committed. He cant even deny that.

He just makes up excuses such as 'i was rude" after waiting for 5 months, apparently if you dont ignore someones email for over a week and th person says "Where the fuck are you" that is rude.

Who knew? i thought blowing someone off along with the project they PAID you for was rude..

malakajoe 03-10-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis (Post 13903797)
It doesnt make a difference, i have the emails saying it will be done on the due date, and i also have all the bullshit excuses emails along with the fake launch dates...

I do have documentation, he knows he bailed on the project and didnt finish the job he committed. He cant even deny that.

He just makes up excuses such as 'i was rude" after waiting for 5 months, apparently if you dont ignore someones email for over a week and th person says "Where the fuck are you" that is rude.

Who knew? i thought blowing someone off along with the project they PAID you for was rude..

Do you have a signed contract at the beginning with exactly what the project will entail?

Just pointing out what needs to get done before the project starts and while it goes on to make sure everything goes smoothly and if not, the legal means you have to not pay and/or get your money back. And beyond the legality make it go smooth.

Both parties, by what I read, are too blame on this. Both did not handle the whole situation right.

Fap 03-10-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by malakajoe (Post 13903822)
Both parties, by what I read, are too blame on this. Both did not handle the whole situation right.

Only thing i did wrong was not make a contract..

Tempest 03-10-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis (Post 13903797)
...the project they PAID you for...

Was anything delivered to you? Cause if it was, then you would actually have gotten what you paid for... Half the project for half the money... So the only issue would actually be that it wasn't finished...

Given you actually waited 5 months instead of taking action to get your project completed earlier, I suspect you're partly to blame as well.. If you were working for a company and this happened, you would be fired for not getting your project done on time.. I'm not saying the programmer isn't also to blame and isn't a dick for dropping the ball, but at the end of the day, you're ultimately responsible...

bashbug 03-10-2008 07:42 PM

Stop being cheap

Beaver Bob 03-10-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13903862)
Was anything delivered to you? Cause if it was, then you would actually have gotten what you paid for... Half the project for half the money... So the only issue would actually be that it wasn't finished...

the site is more than 90% done and its all in his hands. he got way way way way more than his money's worth. :2 cents:

Fap 03-10-2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 13903881)
the site is more than 90% done and its all in his hands. he got way way way way more than his money's worth. :2 cents:

You have a lot of last comments.. but maybe is 75% done.. of what you "remembered we agreed on"

Axzar 03-10-2008 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 13902181)
Problem is that people don't want to pay the right price for good programmers.

If a guy can earn 50-75k a year working for a compagny, he should make at least 150k working for himself...

Amateur programmers are under bidding the real ones, making it pointless for the good guys to do freelance.

You end up with a bunch of kids.

You are spot on!

madfuck 03-10-2008 09:59 PM

thks for the info.... ")

Dagwolf 03-10-2008 10:08 PM

Unfortunate; deadlines are a big problem in this business. It's hard to work with designers and coders.. ont he other hand it's hard to BE a designer or a coder...

minddust 03-10-2008 10:09 PM

fiddidy:upsidedow

Fap 03-11-2008 11:17 AM

let's keep this story alive..

Doctor Dre 03-11-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 13903278)
It's pretty simple, you get what you pay for. :2 cents:

If you pay a low fee for programming work, expect missed deadlines, issues, etc...

In the end, the few bucks you saved probably cost you more in lost time and frustration.

Not saying that is the case here as it's a he-said / she-said type situation, and for all I know Bob agreed to only 5 hours work at $100/hour. But I'm just guessing that wasn't the case :upsidedow

That dosen't excuse the programmer. If he agreed to do something and isn't doing it, it's his fault.

calista 03-11-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FreakinWebmaster (Post 13899476)
Professional, ethical programmers are hard to find.

I am still looking for someone to help with mainstream sites I run. I hope you get this resolved.

hope you will find better man who will work on your site.. Good luck

Doctor Dre 03-11-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 13903881)
the site is more than 90% done and its all in his hands. he got way way way way more than his money's worth. :2 cents:

You should refound his deposit if you're not going to finish the project.

Just by agreeing you took his deposit, and didn't finish 100 % of the work, makes it bad business.

As I said, it's YOUR fault for underbidding on a project, so you should either finish it, or give him a refound AND the work done as compensation for the time wasted.

Fap 03-11-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 13906160)
That dosen't excuse the programmer. If he agreed to do something and isn't doing it, it's his fault.

My point exactly, and if for some reason he couldnt, give me more notice before 5 months goes by

Fap 03-14-2008 12:29 PM

keep it alive

Beaver Bob 03-14-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 13906166)
You should refound his deposit if you're not going to finish the project.

Just by agreeing you took his deposit, and didn't finish 100 % of the work, makes it bad business.

As I said, it's YOUR fault for underbidding on a project, so you should either finish it, or give him a refound AND the work done as compensation for the time wasted.

not when finishing the project means doing a bunch of extra shit that was never specified or agreed upon. yes it was wrong to drag it on as long as I did, but I had every intention of finishing the project, I was only going to work on it when I had the extra time because it was a huge loss for me. His attitude is what fucked it up.

Banthis is what I call, a feature creep. His instructions were extremely vague and whenever I'd do something, he'd want to add several layers of complication to it that were unspecified in his project requirements. After he was well over his $1000 with me in time, the project had to take a backseat to other things. Thats what happens when you try to lowball someone. You can whine and cry about bad business all you want, but you are wrong. I'm all about good business and making money.. Not doing favors for 19 year old kids who try to weasel free work out of people.

imabro 03-14-2008 01:03 PM

banthis reminds me of sonofsam


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