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PornoBug · 10-08-2002, 03:57 PM

PSW seem to say that the new VISA rules apply to US webmasters only and not to International Webmasters. This would be great news if it applies to the other billers too.

http://www.pswbilling.com/clients/visaintl.shtml

If this is the case, then why are companies like iBill still talking about wanting fees ? (this is a rhetorical question)

Perhaps some other Aussie / International webmasters can post their views on this ? What is your billing company telling you ?

Shoplifter · 10-08-2002, 03:59 PM

I called them and they said they can do Canadian webmmasters as well.

WebDork · 10-08-2002, 04:12 PM

Im with PSWBilling as primary and they seem to be saying that for international webmasters it will be business as normal.

Calvinguy · 10-08-2002, 04:28 PM

Only CCBill sucks big time... heres the email I received a couple of minutes ago:

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Here is what the Visa regs say. We can bill for US based companies only. That means if you have a US - LLC, Limited Liability Corporation, you will be able to continue processing visa transactions. I know that a search on google.com brings up many websites that help set up LLC's. I hope this helps.

Andy

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Brown Bear · 10-08-2002, 04:37 PM

It looks like CCBill has no plans to setup merchant banks in any other Visa regions.

PornoBug · 10-08-2002, 04:41 PM

iBill just sent me the following in email.

"Companies located outside the U.S. will not be able to use an IPSP (such as
iBill) who is processing inside the U.S. Foriegn clients will have to have
a presence in the U.S. in order to continue using iBill. "

So who is right, PSW or iBill ?

I would have thought that a week after the announcement at least some dust would have settled on this issue.

Brown Bear · 10-08-2002, 04:50 PM

IBill needs to get their shit together regarding this international processing subject.

auscguy · 10-08-2002, 05:01 PM

Sexfind

Im an aussie webmaster too, basically we are fucked. The non-US 3d party processors will process us no worries, inclunding VISA, but that doesnt help our recurring customers. Basically we need a US company....set up with 5 weeks, sure..as if thats gonna happen.......Glo-bill is claiming to be able to get our recurring customers.....would be good....not sure about the legality tho.... icq me on 16841946 if you wanna chat to a fellow skip

PornoBug · 10-08-2002, 05:04 PM

iBill may be cutting international customers loose...

I asked iBill

"Other companies , eg PSW, are saying that foreign companies will not be
adversely affected. How can you explain the disparity between iBill's position and that of it's competitors ?"

the reply was

"It is possible that you may be receiving incorrect information from the other processor, or they may have already made arrangements to accomodate their foreign clients."

So PSW say everything is fine for international clients, iBill are saying they cannot process international clients, what are the other billers saying about this ?

ZoiNk · 10-08-2002, 05:06 PM

www.acpay.com
and www.glo-bill.com
don't require the fees, if you are looking for processing visa and are international, try those two trustworthy companies.
(ACpay is run by AdultCheck)
ZoiNk

Brown Bear · 10-08-2002, 05:09 PM

Sounds like IBill has no plans to get any merchant bank accounts in any other Visa regions besides the US.

PornBroker · 10-08-2002, 07:43 PM

Same with ccbill.....this email confirms it..

"1) The company has to based in the US. So you would need to establish an LLC here in the US. Your current company in the Turks & Caicos Islands would not comply. If you are not a US based company, the rebills using Visa will be turned off as well. Please be aware of that. We can wire funds to you where ever you want.

2) We are not registered in any region outside the US at this time. More to come on that if we will be at a later point in time.

3) If you have an established US corporation, then you would need to register with Visa and pay the $750 registration fee.

which is a damn shame 'cos I luv 'em

PornoBug · 10-08-2002, 10:16 PM

I think it seems that iBill have put dealing with international clients in the "too hard" basket. From other posts it seems ccBill are saying the same thing.

PSW Billing and GloBill both appear to have solutions for international customers but how realistic are they ?

Personally I smell collusion between iBill/Paycom/Epoch & co. The joint press release seemed funny to me at the time, with the abandoning of international webmasters it seems the dogs have finally bitten one of the hands that feeds them.

So what options are people looking at ? PSW seems to be the most up front with news at the moment.

quiet · 10-08-2002, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sexfind
I think it seems that iBill have put dealing with international clients in the "too hard" basket. From other posts it seems ccBill are saying the same thing.

PSW Billing and GloBill both appear to have solutions for international customers but how realistic are they ?

Personally I smell collusion between iBill/Paycom/Epoch & co. The joint press release seemed funny to me at the time, with the abandoning of international webmasters it seems the dogs have finally bitten one of the hands that feeds them.

So what options are people looking at ? PSW seems to be the most up front with news at the moment.

i like ac pay

PornBroker · 10-08-2002, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

i like ac pay

Hey quiet, do you know any sites that use them?
....I wouldn't mind checking out how friendly their signup page looks...

cheers,

spanky · 10-08-2002, 10:29 PM

acpay does look good. the stats interface looked primitive though... I didn't notice a 'clicks' column on the detailed stats screen of the demo account, maybe I missed it.

DemonWolfe · 10-09-2002, 02:58 AM

GloBill all the way!

They are the only 3rd party billing co who replies to support emails within hours. Super friendly staff which goes into details in their replies.

Not some one line reply which is so vague you have to reply to it and hope that next week they will get back to you with a two line reply. ;)

andi_germany · 10-09-2002, 03:18 AM

There seem to be a lot of different info people are getting from the billers. One is getting that it is possible on the phone the other getting email it is not. Seems we all have to wait untill we see something in writing from the billers. What really pisses me off is that they have a 30 days deadline and within this deadline noone there has a clue.

Shark · 10-09-2002, 07:27 AM

Just to add another " i just spoke to my iBill account rep" post,

My new rep just told me that they are still trying extremely hard to get a banking relationship in the Asia Pacific region.

It will be another week before any definite answer is known.

In the mean time she suggested that it would be best to start incorporating in the US because by doing that, I would be better off anyway, ......(hmmm)
She said that this was due to the fact that if they can establish a banking relationship here we will be facing an extra 2% in processing fees for this service. (this has been reported to have been said before also)

When asked if the deadline was a hard deadline or if there may be some leeway for those foreign webmasters having troubles trying to get setup in the US due to time constraints and especially those with the little time left because they waited on Ibills final anouncement on the requirements she said "Its the deadline we are setting"

.... so perhaps this isnt a Visa imposed deadline either ??

When asked what would happen to rebills in this case she said that if you were not ready by the deadline, all visa rebills would be canceled and would not be retrievable.

I could not get a clear answer on the presence issue, she said it looks like I would need to incorporate and have a US bank account, she couldnt comment on the possibility that the US presence may turn out to be more involved, for example having someone located there that owns at least 1% of the company.

shunga · 10-09-2002, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shark
In the mean time she suggested that it would be best to start incorporating in the US because by doing that, I would be better off anyway, ......(hmmm)

That's pretty much what I was told in a telephone conversation yesterday. The "better off anyway" remark was how it was put to me, but I assumed that meant benefits, not penalties.

UnseenWorld · 10-09-2002, 10:41 AM

I think pretty clearly VISA is not being clear and maybe hasn't even thought this whole thing through itself!

tgirl · 10-09-2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shark

When asked what would happen to rebills in this case she said that if you were not ready by the deadline, all visa rebills would be canceled and would not be retrievable.

I could not get a clear answer on the presence issue, she said it looks like I would need to incorporate and have a US bank account, she couldnt comment on the possibility that the US presence may turn out to be more involved, for example having someone located there that owns at least 1% of the company.

i email iBill as the following.
I will try to Set Up LLC today, but the problem is the time frame and all the docs
and i still need a USA bank account too right?
What happen if i cannot setup the LLC within the time frame?

iBill Reply as the following..
One thing you should know is that your existing rebills will not be affected. The Visa regulations will only affect NEW Visa signups to your site.

BO · 10-09-2002, 01:02 PM

Imagine how much profits Ibill and CCbill are gonna loose if they suspend all the International sites rebills on Nov 15th. Fuck it's in their best interest to keep those rebills going so if they don't establish their international presence by then they are very lousy business people.

hypherion · 10-09-2002, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sexfind
PSW seem to say that the new VISA rules apply to US webmasters only and not to International Webmasters. This would be great news if it applies to the other billers too.

http://www.pswbilling.com/clients/visaintl.shtml

If this is the case, then why are companies like iBill still talking about wanting fees ? (this is a rhetorical question)

Perhaps some other Aussie / International webmasters can post their views on this ? What is your billing company telling you ?

Just got this from ac-pay

"AC Pay has a presence in other regions of the world and
processes its VISA transactions through VISA International,
which has not adopted the new regulations made by VISA
USA. There is a chance that VISA International may adopt
these regulations in the future, however VISA International
has traditionally had a much better track record of
cooperation between itself and its acquiring banks and
merchants."

Brown Bear · 10-09-2002, 01:12 PM

AC Pay sounds like its got its shit together.

IBill is scrambling to setup merchant bank accounts in other countries now? Why didn't they get on top of this back in July when they first learned about this?

Shark · 10-09-2002, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tgirl

iBill Reply as the following..
One thing you should know is that your existing rebills will not be affected. The Visa regulations will only affect NEW Visa signups to your site.

Now that sounded like the best news I've heard yet tgirl !

I rang my rep back to confirm this and she said that they were under the belief that this was the case until yesterday when they were set straight on it.

quiet · 10-09-2002, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shark

Now that sounded like the best news I've heard yet tgirl !

I rang my rep back to confirm this and she said that they were under the belief that this was the case until yesterday when they were set straight on it.

wtf. this is the most important issue for me, and there's been a dozen different answers to it. my ibill rep won't give me a definitive answer, someone else i spoke to says no - all rebills are lost after the 15th.

tgirl - have you heard any more about this issue? anybody else?

Shoplifter · 10-09-2002, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

wtf. this is the most important issue for me, and there's been a dozen different answers to it. my ibill rep won't give me a definitive answer, someone else i spoke to says no - all rebills are lost after the 15th.

The answer is clearly no. The rebills would have to be processed
with the new merchant descriptor so it must be a registered presence.

Quiet, my ICQ is 17249164 if you want to compare notes. I think we are covering the same ground and that we have the same Ibill rep.

Brown Bear · 10-09-2002, 02:53 PM

I've heard different stories on this subject from everyone.

I wouldn't even believe what IBill tells you.

Ask all the processors about this and you'll get a different answer from each of them

Calvinguy · 10-09-2002, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear
I've heard different stories on this subject from everyone.

I wouldn't even believe what IBill tells you.

Ask all the processors about this and you'll get a different answer from each of them

Right..... only time will tell

The Other Steve · 10-09-2002, 03:25 PM

What a total cluster fuck - something as important as this and just a bit over a month from the end the world and we still have no clear unequivocal statement on the whole situation.

Quite frankly we gave up listening to our billing company after the CEO said one thing here and our account rep told us the exact opposite on the phone just 5 minutes later.

Sorry - just had to vent

Shark · 10-09-2002, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hypherion

Just got this from ac-pay

"AC Pay has a presence in other regions of the world and
processes its VISA transactions through VISA International,
which has not adopted the new regulations made by VISA
USA. There is a chance that VISA International may adopt
these regulations in the future, however VISA International
has traditionally had a much better track record of
cooperation between itself and its acquiring banks and
merchants."

I'm printing out the ACPAY contracts as I type, they emailed them in PDF format, said to fax them back and as soon as they activate me I can get started with them straight away.
Then I just mail the original in to them..

I'm still in the shit with Ibill though as I have 300 rebills happening over there.

CathyW · 10-09-2002, 05:13 PM

Hi everyone,

Our issue is our rebills !!!!!!!!!! after 5 years on the web we just don't want to loose them, like everyone else.

You can call this spam if you want but we have friends in the US helping out and he has this to offer.

http://www.lawdoc.com/visa.html

We are looking at setting up a corp. in Nevada, just still gathering info and sorting through all the 'crap' out there. Some straight answers would be great.

PornoBug · 10-09-2002, 06:23 PM

The critical thing for webmasters to keep in mind is that iBill and other 2 other companies made a joint announcement to the world about this issue over 1 week ago.

Since making this dramatic announcement they have demonstrated zero ability to explain how the changes will be implemented, what effect the changes will have and what measures we, as webmasters, need to take.

It would be wise for everyone to seriously think about how unprepared your respective 3rd party biller has been and consider this when dealing with them in the future.

We, despite losing numerous rebills, decided today to dump iBill over all sites as we have no faith in their ability to provide their services to us in the long term. Although we may lose in the short term our goal is to have relationships with companies who show preparedness to deal with change. iBill scores a big fat zero on this count.

PSW look good to us as does ACPay, whether these companies can continue to service international accounts over time remains to be seen, however at least they are providing answers at the moment - something that iBill, Paycom, Epoch and ccBill just aren't doing well enough.

tgirl · 10-10-2002, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

wtf. this is the most important issue for me, and there's been a dozen different answers to it. my ibill rep won't give me a definitive answer, someone else i spoke to says no - all rebills are lost after the 15th.

tgirl - have you heard any more about this issue? anybody else?

just get email form iBill today as the following

I am sorry to say I have new info.

After speaking directly with Visa they have determined that iBill and our competitors will not be able to process re-bills for our clients who do not register with Visa.

I am sorry for the misinformation that I provided in my last e-mail but Visa is clarifying their rules daily and we are learning as we go. So to be clear: After Nov 15 iBill will not be able to process ANY Visa transaction for a company who has not registered with Visa.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

iBill

jimmyf · 10-10-2002, 07:52 AM

Don't know if this will help any of you... I got this email.... Nor if anyone has posted about them.

Dear jimmy xxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for being a loyal Verotel customer!

Here are some news items that we want to bring
to your attention.

1. IPSP regulations
===================
Other Billing Companies in the same market as
Verotel have had IPSP regulations imposed upon
them in the United States. We want to make it clear
that Verotel has not been affected by these
regulations, since our offices are located outside
the US. For more information about the IPSP regulations,
please visit

http://www.verotel.com/ipsp.html

2. New billing option: Verotel 1-900 Billing Europe
================================================== =
We now support a new method of phone billing in
7 different European countries: Verotel 1-900 Billing
Europe. For modem users, this is a dialer package
that dials a local premium rate number.
For ADSL and Cable users, it's just a simple
premium phone number, which your customer can
dial with a normal phone or by mobile telephone.

The advantages of this new billing facility are
endless and you can accrue a lot more volume from
your sales by adding this option to your website.
For each minute someone spends at your website
you will receive 40 US Dollar cents!
No chargebacks are possible with this type of
billing.

No integration or software is needed. Just simply
go to the Control Center, My Setup and select
User Payment Options. There you can add this
feature to your orderpage. This feature uses
the already installed VEROTELRUM script.
More information is available on the website:

http://www.verotel.com/m05000.html

3. Link to Verotel today!
=========================
Linking to Verotel allows you to receive commissions
on all new merchants you bring to us. In this market
of webmasters looking for alternatives (especially due to
the IPSP regulations), you can help us build
our portfolio and receive a commission on all
future sales.

How? Simple. Just visit the MY SETUP
of the control center (bottom page) or

http://linkto.verotel.com

For more information about all these services
please contact our Merchant Support department
at [email protected]. Don't forget
to state your Verotel ID in this email.
With kind regards,

Verotel Management
Amsterdam - Netherlands

wasteland · 10-10-2002, 08:36 AM

Hi all,
This may work as a stopgap solution for anyone unable to get set up with their existing US-based IPSP. There is a small, but well established third party biller in Amsterdam called Verotel.com. We've never used them directly, but a few of our European traffic exchange partners use them to process our revshares and, for the last 2 years, they have been reliable on our end of the stick. The rates (13.5 - 15%) are about the same as the US third party companies and for anyone in Canada or Europe, Australia, etc that is unable to jump through all the hoops, it is at least an option to start over.

here they are: http://www.verotel.com/ipsp.html

On a side note, if you are in the nasty situation of having your recurring database run by a US domestic third party biller, but are unable to get a US corp set up in time to be able to continue, you may want to talk to your rep at that company and see how they are doing in getting visa to allow them to grandfather the rebills even if you have to stop processing new sales through them. Not sure how the negotiations are going on that, but I know that the CEO of one of the "big three" is in NYC right now trying to set this up as a possibility with visa.

My sincere sympathy and best wishes to all of you effected by this situation. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help in the way of referrals to other processing or revenue options. I am moderating the seminars at the Berlin Show at the end of this month and speaking at the Cannes show, so if you are there, look me up!

Ciao,
Colin at Wasteland.com

archer · 10-10-2002, 09:46 AM

I think it's too early to panic yet and dump your processing companies.

The situation is obviously fluid and solutions may be found.

I'm not saying don't prepare... ie incorporate in the US just in case....

On a different point... i guess i'm just highly paranoid but i do wonder who's going to see all this information that needs to be provided.

10-08-2002, 03:57 PM	#1
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	VISA RULES -Australian / Int Webmasters PSW seem to say that the new VISA rules apply to US webmasters only and not to International Webmasters. This would be great news if it applies to the other billers too. http://www.pswbilling.com/clients/visaintl.shtml If this is the case, then why are companies like iBill still talking about wanting fees ? (this is a rhetorical question) Perhaps some other Aussie / International webmasters can post their views on this ? What is your billing company telling you ?

10-08-2002, 04:12 PM	#3
WebDork Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 402	Im with PSWBilling as primary and they seem to be saying that for international webmasters it will be business as normal. __________________ Video Ipod Porn Site with Affiliate Program. http://www.podies.com Free 1:1 Adult Webmaster Banner Exchange.

10-08-2002, 04:37 PM	#5
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	It looks like CCBill has no plans to setup merchant banks in any other Visa regions. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-08-2002, 04:50 PM	#7
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	IBill needs to get their shit together regarding this international processing subject. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-08-2002, 05:06 PM	#10
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	www.acpay.com and www.glo-bill.com don't require the fees, if you are looking for processing visa and are international, try those two trustworthy companies. (ACpay is run by AdultCheck) ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

10-08-2002, 03:59 PM	#2
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,727	I called them and they said they can do Canadian webmmasters as well.

10-08-2002, 04:28 PM	#4
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	Only CCBill sucks big time... heres the email I received a couple of minutes ago: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what the Visa regs say. We can bill for US based companies only. That means if you have a US - LLC, Limited Liability Corporation, you will be able to continue processing visa transactions. I know that a search on google.com brings up many websites that help set up LLC's. I hope this helps. Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------

10-08-2002, 04:41 PM	#6
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	iBill just sent me the following in email. "Companies located outside the U.S. will not be able to use an IPSP (such as iBill) who is processing inside the U.S. Foriegn clients will have to have a presence in the U.S. in order to continue using iBill. " So who is right, PSW or iBill ? I would have thought that a week after the announcement at least some dust would have settled on this issue.

10-08-2002, 05:01 PM	#8
auscguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: downunder Posts: 111	Sexfind Im an aussie webmaster too, basically we are fucked. The non-US 3d party processors will process us no worries, inclunding VISA, but that doesnt help our recurring customers. Basically we need a US company....set up with 5 weeks, sure..as if thats gonna happen.......Glo-bill is claiming to be able to get our recurring customers.....would be good....not sure about the legality tho.... icq me on 16841946 if you wanna chat to a fellow skip

10-08-2002, 05:04 PM	#9
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	iBill may be cutting international customers loose... I asked iBill "Other companies , eg PSW, are saying that foreign companies will not be adversely affected. How can you explain the disparity between iBill's position and that of it's competitors ?" the reply was "It is possible that you may be receiving incorrect information from the other processor, or they may have already made arrangements to accomodate their foreign clients." So PSW say everything is fine for international clients, iBill are saying they cannot process international clients, what are the other billers saying about this ?

10-08-2002, 05:09 PM	#11
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Sounds like IBill has no plans to get any merchant bank accounts in any other Visa regions besides the US. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-08-2002, 07:43 PM	#12
PornBroker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 686	Same with ccbill.....this email confirms it.. "1) The company has to based in the US. So you would need to establish an LLC here in the US. Your current company in the Turks & Caicos Islands would not comply. If you are not a US based company, the rebills using Visa will be turned off as well. Please be aware of that. We can wire funds to you where ever you want. 2) We are not registered in any region outside the US at this time. More to come on that if we will be at a later point in time. 3) If you have an established US corporation, then you would need to register with Visa and pay the $750 registration fee. which is a damn shame 'cos I luv 'em __________________ please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste...I've been around for a long long year stolen many man's soul and faith...I was around when jesus christ had his moment of doubt and pain...made damn sure that pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate...pleased to meet you hope you guess my name...but's what's puzzling you is the nature of my game...

10-08-2002, 10:16 PM	#13
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	I think it seems that iBill have put dealing with international clients in the "too hard" basket. From other posts it seems ccBill are saying the same thing. PSW Billing and GloBill both appear to have solutions for international customers but how realistic are they ? Personally I smell collusion between iBill/Paycom/Epoch & co. The joint press release seemed funny to me at the time, with the abandoning of international webmasters it seems the dogs have finally bitten one of the hands that feeds them. So what options are people looking at ? PSW seems to be the most up front with news at the moment.

10-08-2002, 10:29 PM	#16
spanky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 231	acpay does look good. the stats interface looked primitive though... I didn't notice a 'clicks' column on the detailed stats screen of the demo account, maybe I missed it.

10-09-2002, 02:58 AM	#17
DemonWolfe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: World Traveler Posts: 261	GloBill all the way! They are the only 3rd party billing co who replies to support emails within hours. Super friendly staff which goes into details in their replies. Not some one line reply which is so vague you have to reply to it and hope that next week they will get back to you with a two line reply. ;) __________________ Sorry, no signature today. Please come back tomorrow.

10-09-2002, 03:18 AM	#18
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	There seem to be a lot of different info people are getting from the billers. One is getting that it is possible on the phone the other getting email it is not. Seems we all have to wait untill we see something in writing from the billers. What really pisses me off is that they have a 30 days deadline and within this deadline noone there has a clue.

10-09-2002, 07:27 AM	#19
Shark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 205	Just to add another " i just spoke to my iBill account rep" post, My new rep just told me that they are still trying extremely hard to get a banking relationship in the Asia Pacific region. It will be another week before any definite answer is known. In the mean time she suggested that it would be best to start incorporating in the US because by doing that, I would be better off anyway, ......(hmmm) She said that this was due to the fact that if they can establish a banking relationship here we will be facing an extra 2% in processing fees for this service. (this has been reported to have been said before also) When asked if the deadline was a hard deadline or if there may be some leeway for those foreign webmasters having troubles trying to get setup in the US due to time constraints and especially those with the little time left because they waited on Ibills final anouncement on the requirements she said "Its the deadline we are setting" .... so perhaps this isnt a Visa imposed deadline either ?? When asked what would happen to rebills in this case she said that if you were not ready by the deadline, all visa rebills would be canceled and would not be retrievable. I could not get a clear answer on the presence issue, she said it looks like I would need to incorporate and have a US bank account, she couldnt comment on the possibility that the US presence may turn out to be more involved, for example having someone located there that owns at least 1% of the company.

10-09-2002, 10:41 AM	#21
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	I think pretty clearly VISA is not being clear and maybe hasn't even thought this whole thing through itself! __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-09-2002, 01:02 PM	#23
BO Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 74	Imagine how much profits Ibill and CCbill are gonna loose if they suspend all the International sites rebills on Nov 15th. Fuck it's in their best interest to keep those rebills going so if they don't establish their international presence by then they are very lousy business people.

10-09-2002, 01:12 PM	#25
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	AC Pay sounds like its got its shit together. IBill is scrambling to setup merchant bank accounts in other countries now? Why didn't they get on top of this back in July when they first learned about this? __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-09-2002, 02:53 PM	#29
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	I've heard different stories on this subject from everyone. I wouldn't even believe what IBill tells you. Ask all the processors about this and you'll get a different answer from each of them __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-09-2002, 03:25 PM	#31
The Other Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sunny Queensland - perfect one day and better the next. Posts: 2,106	What a total cluster fuck - something as important as this and just a bit over a month from the end the world and we still have no clear unequivocal statement on the whole situation. Quite frankly we gave up listening to our billing company after the CEO said one thing here and our account rep told us the exact opposite on the phone just 5 minutes later. Sorry - just had to vent __________________ Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

10-09-2002, 05:13 PM	#33
CathyW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: all over Posts: 7	Hi everyone, Our issue is our rebills !!!!!!!!!! after 5 years on the web we just don't want to loose them, like everyone else. You can call this spam if you want but we have friends in the US helping out and he has this to offer. http://www.lawdoc.com/visa.html We are looking at setting up a corp. in Nevada, just still gathering info and sorting through all the 'crap' out there. Some straight answers would be great.

10-09-2002, 06:23 PM	#34
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	The critical thing for webmasters to keep in mind is that iBill and other 2 other companies made a joint announcement to the world about this issue over 1 week ago. Since making this dramatic announcement they have demonstrated zero ability to explain how the changes will be implemented, what effect the changes will have and what measures we, as webmasters, need to take. It would be wise for everyone to seriously think about how unprepared your respective 3rd party biller has been and consider this when dealing with them in the future. We, despite losing numerous rebills, decided today to dump iBill over all sites as we have no faith in their ability to provide their services to us in the long term. Although we may lose in the short term our goal is to have relationships with companies who show preparedness to deal with change. iBill scores a big fat zero on this count. PSW look good to us as does ACPay, whether these companies can continue to service international accounts over time remains to be seen, however at least they are providing answers at the moment - something that iBill, Paycom, Epoch and ccBill just aren't doing well enough.

10-10-2002, 07:52 AM	#36
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Don't know if this will help any of you... I got this email.... Nor if anyone has posted about them. Dear jimmy xxxxxxxxx, Thank you for being a loyal Verotel customer! Here are some news items that we want to bring to your attention. 1. IPSP regulations =================== Other Billing Companies in the same market as Verotel have had IPSP regulations imposed upon them in the United States. We want to make it clear that Verotel has not been affected by these regulations, since our offices are located outside the US. For more information about the IPSP regulations, please visit http://www.verotel.com/ipsp.html 2. New billing option: Verotel 1-900 Billing Europe ================================================== = We now support a new method of phone billing in 7 different European countries: Verotel 1-900 Billing Europe. For modem users, this is a dialer package that dials a local premium rate number. For ADSL and Cable users, it's just a simple premium phone number, which your customer can dial with a normal phone or by mobile telephone. The advantages of this new billing facility are endless and you can accrue a lot more volume from your sales by adding this option to your website. For each minute someone spends at your website you will receive 40 US Dollar cents! No chargebacks are possible with this type of billing. No integration or software is needed. Just simply go to the Control Center, My Setup and select User Payment Options. There you can add this feature to your orderpage. This feature uses the already installed VEROTELRUM script. More information is available on the website: http://www.verotel.com/m05000.html 3. Link to Verotel today! ========================= Linking to Verotel allows you to receive commissions on all new merchants you bring to us. In this market of webmasters looking for alternatives (especially due to the IPSP regulations), you can help us build our portfolio and receive a commission on all future sales. How? Simple. Just visit the MY SETUP of the control center (bottom page) or http://linkto.verotel.com For more information about all these services please contact our Merchant Support department at [email protected]. Don't forget to state your Verotel ID in this email. With kind regards, Verotel Management Amsterdam - Netherlands __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

10-10-2002, 08:36 AM	#37
wasteland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 697	Hi all, This may work as a stopgap solution for anyone unable to get set up with their existing US-based IPSP. There is a small, but well established third party biller in Amsterdam called Verotel.com. We've never used them directly, but a few of our European traffic exchange partners use them to process our revshares and, for the last 2 years, they have been reliable on our end of the stick. The rates (13.5 - 15%) are about the same as the US third party companies and for anyone in Canada or Europe, Australia, etc that is unable to jump through all the hoops, it is at least an option to start over. here they are: http://www.verotel.com/ipsp.html On a side note, if you are in the nasty situation of having your recurring database run by a US domestic third party biller, but are unable to get a US corp set up in time to be able to continue, you may want to talk to your rep at that company and see how they are doing in getting visa to allow them to grandfather the rebills even if you have to stop processing new sales through them. Not sure how the negotiations are going on that, but I know that the CEO of one of the "big three" is in NYC right now trying to set this up as a possibility with visa. My sincere sympathy and best wishes to all of you effected by this situation. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help in the way of referrals to other processing or revenue options. I am moderating the seminars at the Berlin Show at the end of this month and speaking at the Cannes show, so if you are there, look me up! Ciao, Colin at Wasteland.com

10-10-2002, 09:46 AM	#38
archer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,721	I think it's too early to panic yet and dump your processing companies. The situation is obviously fluid and solutions may be found. I'm not saying don't prepare... ie incorporate in the US just in case.... On a different point... i guess i'm just highly paranoid but i do wonder who's going to see all this information that needs to be provided. __________________ Looking to promote uncut cock? Check out Uncut Cash. It rocks.