Like I said you dont like me ignore me.

Good idea idiot.

Thank you

I like triangles.

i like poo

Not trying to be an asshole, but by that same token you could have just as easily kept Will apprised of your plans to make a future donation. Then there would have been no need for a drama thread.

Communication people. Some are better at it than others, and it's obviously a vital skill in any business. :2 cents:

I never viewed his responses as angry, but more just egotistical and full of stubborn pride. Between the big security issue and this instance, all he had to do was humbly come out from the beginning, apologize, admit that mistakes were made and they won't happen again. Instead he likes to point the finger at someone else and his antagonistic remarks end of exacerbating the situation rather than diffusing it. He definitely needs to alter his behavior or get someone else to handle public relations.

I think the donation could easily be made without the excuses.. as they say:

"When there is a will, there is a way"

If you don't fuck up, you won't get called out....

Period...

Actually John, that is not entirely true. I won your contest. The money was mine. You kept MY money and it was suppose to be sent to webmaster toy run. I *trusted* you to make a prompt payment to get in for thiat year (2007) Even if you were late it still should have been sent. Keep in mind, if you would have paid out on your contest that was held in JULY back when the contest ended this wouldn't have been an issue. If i would have asked for payment you wouldn't have put me off for months you would have paid me.

You made the announcement that I won and I was donating the money on 12-13-07 . It takes 5 minutes to make the donation. I don't care if your finance guy was out of town or not. It's only $1500, you cant make that from your own personal account??? You can't call the finance guy and ask him to do it? What's the matter John you don't know your own business checking account info or they don't allow you access to a check book. Sorry the whole " the finance guy was out of town" bullshit might fly for a corperate 500 company, but not for an owner of NATS. It is TOTAL BULLSHIT EXCUSE.

Yeah you right. I won a contest. I asked for the money to be dontated, the money was not donated. 3 months go by I make post asking for the person to make the donation.


Nothing gets past you, your observations are dead on. :upsidedow

Stolen content, fraud, and spyware " industy causes' that people should be termed " self-rightous" for taking up those causes and fighting against those things. :warning

While it is no secret that there is no love lost between Will and I, it is pretty clear that John pretty well fucked up on the handling of this entire issue; from the missing donation to his outing of himself in this thread.

FYI: John, I run a PR company, my rates are reasonable.

Good advice. May want to consider this John.

No No, in John's world he did nothing wrong. He was simply " too busy" to make the donation. And then even if he wasn't "too busy" he couldn't have made the donation because the finance guy was out of town. No way money could be sent when the finance guy is out of town (the finance guy must lock up the paypal, epass, checks, checking account etc.. when he goes out of town.)

In John's world because I am asking for clarification here to make sure the donation was made 3 months later, that makes me an asshole. I am the asshole, John did nothing wrong. :upsidedow

John the amount of time you spent replying in this thread you could have made the donation. I am pretty sure they accept them year round.

And sorry for disturbing you John, I know you are a busy man.

PBJohn is a fucking retard. :1orglaugh What a fucking moron.

Contest was in July or June, this is 9 Months later, there isnt a whole lot more to say is there.

If will didn't have a history of looking to stir shit with me and hadn't just done it a day earlier he wouldn't have gotten that response. I'm not here to kiss everyone's ass. If someone is an asshole I have no problem saying they're an asshole. I'm not going to pretend to love everyone on a message board. I'm sure that has cost TMM some clients but it has also gained some. I'm going to be honest about if I like them and honest if I don't. If it was someone else it would have been replied to different. My opinion of will stands as it was.

It's great to see all the trolls coming out. Is this place even an industry board anymore?

The donation will be made as it was always going to be made.

Proof is in the pudding as they say....


NosMo

Make the fucking donation, you fucking deadbeat, and post proof.

PB Jonh you are such an idiot

:1orglaugh

Pay your fucking bills.

Incase anyone is wondering what this is all about here is a time line:

7/4/2007 John makes a post on his message board:

8/15/2007 (after several people make post asking who the winner is, John replies:

10/16/2007 After 2 months go by and more posts are made asking for a winner, john makes this post:


on 12/9/2007 STILL NO Winner announced: I make the following post:

John makes the following thread:

12/13/07

Now fast forward to 3/3/2008 and the dontation has not been made.

So John starts a contest for JULY, is suppose to announce a winner on August 1st, 5 months later he finally announces a winner after several people keep posting about. Then he says he will send the money I won to the Webmaster Toy Run for christmas, and 3 months later I have no update, and the money was not sent. 8 months on a contest and the money still hasn't left his pocket. And I am the asshole for pointing this out. GFY, too much.

And you do what in this business again?

Well, as stated by several, no one mentioned your name until you did. If there is any grief as a result of this thread it is certainly self inflicted.

Yes, because I have no problem saying it wasn't sent and why. The problem I have is people coming here to look for attention instead of taking 30 seconds to just ask about it. He has my icq, he's icq'd me today actually, he could have simply asked me and he would have gotten the answer. He's just looking for more attention tho. Seems to be all he does.

I know you're trying to be constructive and I appreciate it. I have no desire to attempt to "be nice" to will tho. This is not the first time he's gone off on things and gone about them wrong.

Oh so because I asked if you had an update about the NATS security issues and if there was any leads on the case or if the people were caught that = stiring shit with you? It was simple question.

But typical John just like in this thread, i asked a simple question, no drama was needed, John you could have replied to my questions about an update by saying " no we haven't caught the guy, there is nothing new to report" and I wouldn't replied again. It was a simple question, you turned into an arguement.

Ok all of that aside, what does me "stiring shit" with you a couple days have to do with you not making a donation that was suppose to be made 3 months ago ????????????????????? :upsidedow

maybe it was me?!

No offense John, but once again YOU are the one who looks to be handling this wrong. Sometimes it's better to just step back and keep your mouth shut...or hire someone who doesn't get upset when confronted about being wrong.

WHEN ???


You waiting till you are not " too busy" to make it?


too busy fighting on a board that you say is full of trolls. The same board you spam your NATS updates. Makes no sense John, if this board is full of trolls 1. why do you advertise you services here, 2. why does a man as busy as you are continue to post here with us no name trolls ?

JOHN get your fucking epass out and make the fucking donation already. I dont trust you are going to do it, you just going to put it off like you been doing since day 1. You probably never planed on paying out for that competition. IT WAS 8 MONTHS AGO AND YOU STILL NEVER PAID OUT ON IT>

Gotta agree with Tony, you come across as a pompous asshole. Feel free to slam or ignore me too.

Like I said, my rates are quite reasonable.

Then why are you crying about it, if you have no problem?

You could have just quietly contact will76 and settle it with him.

But instead you've created a huge drama.

1. You put me one IGNORE.

2. You say I could have taken the 30 seconds to ask you about it. Why didn't you take the 30 seconds and make the payment. :upsidedow

You are one of the most hardheaded people on here. Your ego is getting the best of you. When I am wrong I have no problem admitting it. You are wrong here. The best thing you can say is " Sorry" and pay it now. Stop trying to tell us you were " too busy" and " the finance guy was out of town" thats total fucking bullshit. Just admitt you are fucking wrong like a man and pay the fucking money to the charity.

Why did you out yourself again in this thread? and I am the attention whore ??? :helpme

Priceless.

:1orglaugh

Amen to that, was thinking the same exact thing, he makes his company look bad a lot. Needs to hire a PR guy and let him do the talking.

The children will understand that you didn't pay becuase your ego can't handle talking to Will.

The children always understand.

LOL John, you are just so full of shit.

You told me you had me on ignore. Since I didn't Trust you with the Segpay stuff you stopped replying to me on icq months back. Remember back then any time I made a post about segway you contacted me with in 2 minutes to tell me i was wrong and to trust you.

I didn't ICQ you before making this post, I thought you had me on ignore. Instead I get back to the office about 1 hour ago and open ICQ and i get these messages from you:


NATS - John (10:15 AM) :
no, it wasn't made, it was shortly before the holidays and things were to say the least a bit hectic then
NATS - John (10:16 AM) :
it is going to me made this year
NATS - John (10:16 AM) :
regardless of how much of an asshole i think you are
NATS - John (10:16 AM) :
and yoru constant need to call me out on my integrity when you don't know anything about me
NATS - John (10:16 AM) :
it will be made, regardless of your stupid little actions
Will76 (04:50 PM) :
LOL John you too much man. You know if you would have taken the 5 minutes to make the donation i would have never been able to make a thread about it. For that matter if you would have not posted in the thread and outed yourself and contacted me and made the donation, no one would have know about it.
Will76 (04:51 PM) :
sorry I don't buy the " i am too busy" deal. You were "too busy" to select a winner for 5 months, you had 5 posts to choose from, then you were too busy over 3 months to take the time to make the donation. Fucking 8 months and you were too busy what should have taken you 10 mins to do.

So you only ICQ'ed me after I made this post, and when I finally got on ICQ and replied back to you this evening, guess what..... you ignored me. :1orglaugh


please just make the payment and I will stop posting in this thread. It sucks that it totally looks like you had no intention to making this payment, even now you keep saying " I will make it for this year"... what 8 months from now???? so you can hope we forget about it so you dont have to make the payment ???? why can't you pay it now?


FUCK! why is it so hard to get people to honor their fucking donations. It's not like I am trying to collect a bad debt for myself. I am trying to make sure the charity gets paid. I had the same problem with JTF, he was suppose to match the donation I made for christmas 2006, come to find out, after me looking into it he didnt make his donation either, but I believe he finally made it in Feb. Why can't people just make the fucking donation without all the bullshit ?

This will be done by check this week. TMM does not use epass and I'm not making it on my own and then reimbursing myself.

FYI, Charlie is my partner, not some "finance guy" who I use to make up excuses with. He handles all the finances because frankly I'm horrible at it :)

John this has nothing to do with Will, what he has done and if you like him or not. No one cares if you like him or not. This also has nothing to do with you telling someone they are an asshole if you believe them to be one, there are a lot of assholes on this board, and others and it's just a part of life.

This has to do with being a man, and manning up to what you said you would do. YOU ran a contest, it's your obligation to pay the monies due. It has yet to be paid.

If I was a client of yours and did not pay for my NATS for 5 months because I was really busy and my money guy was "out of town" would my NATS still be running?

What makes it worse is you are here making a big issue and the money people are fighting over is to give kids who have nothing, some no mom or dad, some starving a present, something to make their life just a little better, maybe add some hope and show there are good people in this world.

The fact of the matter is simple, WILL won a content, the money from that contest is sitting in YOUR bank account and has yet to be paid.

There is no drama on WILL's part. He just wants what he won paid off. That is very fair to ask someone.

If someone who was not deemed an "asshole" in your book made this thread, say RonC or Eric at adult won that thread and it was not paid and they made this thread, would you be saying "it will get taken care of next year?"

Will just seems to like to attack people. And it was explained from the beginning of this thread that it will be paid and what happened. However, he just likes to keep going on attacking people. I'm not the first, I'm sure I won't be the last.

Will, the donation will be sent in the morning when I get in. It was an oversight on my part, please email me [email protected] with where you would like it sent.

Really, get a PR guy ..... you can't say anything without coming across as a creep.

just because i got the url still cut to my clipboard...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/a/a7/Drama_Llama.jpg

Problem Solved. Will you have your answer on how to fix this issue. I am closing this thread. If Mike doesn't have payment in a week. We can open this back up for discussion. For now lets move on.