So how many sales did you lose exactly because of tube sites? 100? 0?

[Dirty F]

My sales are better than ever. I hope there will be more tube sites because sales seem very steady atm.

So 20 tube threads a day about how they kill the industry. Please tell me how theyre killing your sites. How much did you lose exactly?

Did you lose anything at all? Or are you just crying about tube sites because its a cool thing to do?

How big is the chance exactly that someone who visits a tube site was about to buy a membership at your site or sponsor and didnt because of a tube site...how many times does that actually happen you think? About twice a year?

[BAKO]

My sales are kicking ass as well

[Dirty F]

You know whats funny. Rapidshare distributes about 1000 times more free porn. Full movies in dvd quality. Its way bigger than all that tube shit together and nobody cries about it. Why? Because it isnt out in the open. We ignore it.
Nobody cried about sales when Rapidshare started getting big last year while if it affects sales its 1000 times worse than tubes. Nobody said anything about losing sales but now with the 100 tube threads every week i have to read every day how its killing the industry.

Seriously, you people are fucking idiots. The biggest fucking dumb ignorant idiots i know off.

Look at some of the big program owners here crying every day how theyre gonna sue some tube site because there are three of their 20 min movies on that site. Well newsflash morons. I was able to download those movies and the rest of your shitty site last year already through Rapidshare in 15 mins.

[Christina Muller]

I agree with you Dirty F

Until recently the hun had enough photos and vids to make any guy happy Im sure and people still signed up for programs.

Tubes are now replacing old sites such as the hun as technology improves and yes they have huge clips but I still think the type of surfers they attract wouldnt in most cases join a site anyway.

Some people here who have worked with tubes have openly admitted that they have seen ratios of 0 in 60,000 from tube traffic.

The market is changing like every market does but I think anyone who is suffering a downturn blames it on tubes etc instead of maybe looking at thier own sites and what they can do to move with the times.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

You know whats funny. Rapidshare distributes about 1000 times more free porn. Full movies in dvd quality. Its way bigger than all that tube shit together and nobody cries about it. Why? Because it isnt out in the open. We ignore it.
Nobody cried about sales when Rapidshare started getting big last year while if it affects sales its 1000 times worse than tubes. Nobody said anything about losing sales but now with the 100 tube threads every week i have to read every day how its killing the industry.

Seriously, you people are fucking idiots. The biggest fucking dumb ignorant idiots i know off.

Look at some of the big program owners here crying every day how theyre gonna sue some tube site because there are three of their 20 min movies on that site. Well newsflash morons. I was able to download those movies and the rest of your shitty site last year already through Rapidshare in 15 mins.

the average American surfer (over the age of 21) with a cc has no idea what rapidshare is

[L-Pink]

The blatant theft of others hard work is my only complaint.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by pr0

the average American surfer (over the age of 21) with a cc has no idea what rapidshare is

Ok, lets not completely change the subject to RS because that wasnt the intention of this thread. It was just an example. What im trying to say is please tell me exactly how many sales you lost because of tube sites because im not noticing any sales loss. By what i read that within 1 year the industry is dead because of tube sites i would say the loss in sales should be highly noticable by now..shouldnt it?

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The blatant theft of others hard work is my only complaint.

Sure, that i understand..and then again concentrate on RS, its way bigger. Not a few 1000 tube sites with some of your movies on it.

[webmasterchecks]

i posted this in another thread but it may fit here as well




Here is how I think it will play out

There will be a company that people will go to to register their content and that company will have systems to patrol the tube sites and automatically dmca the content. This will become a cost of doing business. And was done at one point before, Steve Easton from apic

For tube sites with legitimate content, you cant do anything about that expect offer a better product, which will not be a problem for about 35% of the sites out there. However, with time and technology in the next few years, dl speeds will get faster and there will be more and more content on those sites as it accumulates. And there will become technologies to categorize and manage it and it will become a lot harder to compete. Its like open source porn

Drm may be a solution, but I think that as the quality of the video increases, within a few years, there will be sites with Lots of quality porn.

I have a friend at one of the processors and he mentioned that in the past few years, the subscription site model has been declining, while the cam site model has increased dramatically

Food for thought

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Sure, that i understand..and then again concentrate on RS, its way bigger. Not a few 1000 tube sites with some of your movies on it.

If you creat content it just feels so much more personal.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by pr0

the average American surfer (over the age of 21) with a cc has no idea what rapidshare is

Btw, thats why Rapidshare is HUGE? Bigger than all tube sites? Because the average surfer doesnt know about it?

And this other people who actually have a cc and are ready to pay for something and instead of a membership at your site buy a RS membership compared to the worthless tube users who wouldnt buy anything anyway.

[webmasterchecks]

but to comment on the topic, i think that most 85% of the traffic that tube sites get are from sufers that would not buy a membership anyway.

[Christina Muller]

L-Pink ...The blatant theft of others hard work is my only complaint

I agree on that but I think Dirty F is trying to put a point over that it seems everyone is predicting doom and gloom profit wise.

[Phil]

I made 5 tube sites today. Hope your sales will go up tomorrow

[Dirty F]

Most random surfer forums have more and better content than the biggest tube sites out there. Full member areas (in combination with RS often) and besides a 10 post thread every now and then i dont hear anybody about it.

But mention the word tube and we get posts how its the end of the world.

Once again most of you are so fucking ignorant, including site owners that i wonder how you ever made it this far.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Ok, lets not completely change the subject to RS because that wasnt the intention of this thread. It was just an example. What im trying to say is please tell me exactly how many sales you lost because of tube sites because im not noticing any sales loss. By what i read that within 1 year the industry is dead because of tube sites i would say the loss in sales should be highly noticable by now..shouldnt it?

I've lost 0 sales related to tube sites (that I'm aware of)

but i work almost 98% in cams & dating

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

I made 5 tube sites today. Hope your sales will go up tomorrow

Thanks man, appreciate it.

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by pr0

I've lost 0 sales related to tube sites (that I'm aware of)

You've lost 0 sales because you had 0 sales to begin with, idiot.

[pr0]

Rapidshare.de users come from these countries:

Chile7.2%
Brazil5.0%
United States4.6%
Czech Republic4.3%
India3.9%
Poland3.7%
Egypt3.4%
Argentina3.1%
Slovakia2.9%
Mexico2.6%
Turkey2.5%
Russia2.4%
Peru1.9%
Indonesia1.7%
Germany1.6%
Colombia1.5%
Croatia1.5%
France1.5%
Vietnam1.5%
Greece1.5%
Ukraine1.4%
Iran1.3%
Puerto Rico1.3%
Venezuela1.3%
Algeria1.3%
Other countries 35.0%


and their traffic has been dropping steadily....just thought i would fill ya in...most U.S. surfers don't know shit about rapidshare, nor do they frequent message boards of any type

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by pr0

and their traffic has been dropping steadily....just thought i would fill ya in...most U.S. surfers don't know shit about rapidshare, nor do they frequent message boards of any type

Yeah because its ok if the rest of the world rips your content.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Jet

You've lost 0 sales because you had 0 sales to begin with, idiot.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=810525

yup zero

[Camco]

Originally Posted by pr0

Rapidshare.de users come from these countries:

Chile7.2%
Brazil5.0%
United States4.6%
Czech Republic4.3%
India3.9%
Poland3.7%
Egypt3.4%
Argentina3.1%
Slovakia2.9%
Mexico2.6%
Turkey2.5%
Russia2.4%
Peru1.9%
Indonesia1.7%
Germany1.6%
Colombia1.5%
Croatia1.5%
France1.5%
Vietnam1.5%
Greece1.5%
Ukraine1.4%
Iran1.3%
Puerto Rico1.3%
Venezuela1.3%
Algeria1.3%
Other countries 35.0%


and their traffic has been dropping steadily....just thought i would fill ya in...most U.S. surfers don't know shit about rapidshare, nor do they frequent message boards of any type

You looked up the wrong Rapidshare try looking up the .com nobody uses .de anymore

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yeah because its ok if the rest of the world rips your content.

I didn't say that....I'm saying that i hope we can put this genie back in the bottle before its too late....& all of consumer America becomes wise.

[Dirty F]

Ah, youre right Pro, i can see how Rapidshare is "dropping steadily"

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?c=1&f...&h =300&w=610

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Jet

You've lost 0 sales because you had 0 sales to begin with, idiot.

Please kid, stay out of webmasters threads. Theres is nothing here that involves you so we dont need you posting in it.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yeah because its ok if the rest of the world rips your content.

they cant pay for it anyway. I have yet to see any sign ups from Ukraine or Chile.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Ah, youre right Pro, i can see how Rapidshare is "dropping steadily"

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?c=1&f...&h =300&w=610

i didn't even know about the .com.....see American's really don't use/or take not of sites like rapidshare

anyways look at the demographics once again....same thing

[Dirty F]

Trafficrank for Rapidshare: 12

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by pr0

i didn't even know about the .com.....see American's really don't use/or take not of sites like rapidshare

anyways look at the demographics once again....same thing

Yeah man, we should ignore Rapidshare, its only about the biggest site in the world.

Trafficrank for Rapidshare: 12

Hardly any American knows the site man haha. Please dont be so ignorant, you should know better.

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by pr0

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=810525

yup zero

Oh sorry m8, I though I was quotin Fraknc

[webmasterchecks]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yeah man, we should ignore Rapidshare, its only about the biggest site in the world.

Trafficrank for Rapidshare: 12

Hardly any American knows the site man haha. Please dont be so ignorant, you should know better.

why guess, get the facts

http://www.quantcast.com/rapidshare.com

[pr0]

I don't know a single person (outside of this industry) that uses rapidshare.

Then again, I'm 27 now....so I'm not hanging with the college crowd anymore.

Sue me.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by pr0

I don't know a single person (outside of this industry) that uses rapidshare.

Then again, I'm 27 now....so I'm not hanging with the college crowd anymore.

Sue me.

Yeah ok Pro, youre right, nobody uses or knows RS and its a small site we shouldnt worry about. Ok back to Tube sites.

Please drop the RS issue Pro, you are totally and completely right. Dont mention it anymore please.

[Dirty F]

Funny how this thread quickly dies and only 4 different people post in it.

If i started a thread where i said i found a video from Occash on a tube site it would be a 5 pager with all the big site owners getting together to fight it.

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Funny how this thread quickly dies and only 4 different people post in it.

If i started a thread where i said i found a video from Occash on a tube site it would be a 5 pager with all the big site owners getting together to fight it.

It's because no one cares to debate with you, because everyone knows you are mentally challenged.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Jet

It's because no one cares to debate with you, because everyone knows you are mentally challenged.

Kid, what did i tell you? This is a webmaster thread. Leave it or im gonna call your mommy.

[DigitalDruid]

Are you serious..... between the ages of 13-26 ide say are your target RS and tube site, torrent surfers...... Now how many of them do you think have credit cards? How many still live with mom and dont want to give a mailing address IF they do? You see thats the hornyest age group to hit..... only downloading stolen content fits there life alot better than trying to buy it. I expect my content to get on there eventually but its going to turn them on for a year or two till they can join and i have a 3 year rebill from it. Im looking forward to it

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Kid, what did i tell you? This is a webmaster thread. Leave it or im gonna call your mommy.

You can't possibly think that tube sites don't hurt the industry and call yourself a webmaster after that.

[Tempest]

Saying your sales are steady or rockin means nothing.. You could be selling cams.. or dating.. or some narrow niche for all we know... The one thing I've noticed for sure is that my brazzer sales (pure SE traffic that's stayed steady) have practically dissappeared as their exposure on the tube sites has grown.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Tempest

The one thing I've noticed for sure is that my brazzer sales (pure SE traffic that's stayed steady) have practically dissappeared as their exposure on the tube sites has grown.

That would basically be impossible for tube sites to cause that. Not basically but 100% sure be impossible.

That would mean that every fucking surfer out there with a cc would not only surf tube sites but also not sign up to Brazzers anymore because they saw a few videos for free. Imfuckingpossible so you, like all other people are blaming your loss in sales on tube sites while that simple isnt the reason.

There are 100's of millions of people who could potentially buy through your link...only a small % of those people ever saw a Brazzer vid for free on a tube site and only a very fucking small % of those people wont buy a membership becuase they found three 30 minute videos.

[flashfire]

Originally Posted by pr0

the average American surfer (over the age of 21) with a cc has no idea what rapidshare is

no shit...problem with tube sites is they are too easy

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

My sales are better than ever. I hope there will be more tube sites because sales seem very steady atm.

Let me show you other side of the coin.

your sales could be even even better than what they are now, if there was less free porn available. Free porn may mean tube sites.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Vick!

Let me show you other side of the coin.

your sales could be even even better than what they are now, if there was less free porn available. Free porn may mean tube sites.

Yeah and also if no tgps were around yet i dont see 20 posts about tgps a day.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

...every week i have to ....

no you dont.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

That would basically be impossible for tube sites to cause that. Not basically but 100% sure be impossible.

That would mean that every fucking surfer out there with a cc would not only surf tube sites but also not sign up to Brazzers anymore because they saw a few videos for free. Imfuckingpossible so you, like all other people are blaming your loss in sales on tube sites while that simple isnt the reason.

There are 100's of millions of people who could potentially buy through your link...only a small % of those people ever saw a Brazzer vid for free on a tube site and only a very fucking small % of those people wont buy a membership becuase they found three 30 minute videos.

I never actually said tube sites were the cause of it...

However, it's not just whether or not they've seen a video, it's that the last tube site I saw had brazzer banners on practically every page of the site.. In that case, there's a higher probability that a surfer hitting those sites will have been exposed to brazzers and possibly "desensitized" to it before they ever hit my site. We all know that the longer something is in the publics eye the harder and harder it is to make a sale as it goes stale.

But again.. I'm just saying what I've noticed with my traffic... You can take it however you want...

[Zorgman]

If surfers want movies they will find them anyway they can and there never going to buy memberships -- EVER! That's not the surfer traffic you want. You want the free new internet surfer that doesn't know about the illegal tube sites or places like Rapidshare.

I'm running my legal tube sites and im getting pretty good traffic from them. Lots of bookmakers and im seeing lots of sales -- which is great. I know lots of my clients using my software are seeing those sales too.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

If surfers want movies they will find them anyway they can and there never going to buy memberships -- EVER! That's not the surfer traffic you want. You want the free new internet surfer that doesn't know about the illegal tube sites or places like Rapidshare.

I'm running my legal tube sites and im getting pretty good traffic from them. Lots of bookmakers and im seeing lots of sales -- which is great. I know lots of my clients using my software are seeing those sales too.

Its getting really annoying seeing you in every tube thread to spam your shit.

[bashbug]

All I can say is, Programs can send dcma notices to remove content yes, if its on sites without authority, but thats the only thing you can cry about, but if you are talking about actual conversions, its the quality of traffic you have, sure people will download porn all day from tube sites, but you don't want that kind of traffic.

[Zorgman]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Its getting really annoying seeing you in every tube thread to spam your shit.

I love you too man.

[natas]

Originally Posted by pr0

the average American surfer (over the age of 21) with a cc has no idea what rapidshare is

amen, brother

they just want to get off.
they can afford $1.95 on their cc for christs sake