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Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-27-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Ottoman Turkey 1-1.5 million Killed

Soviet Union Anti-Communists 20 million Killed

Nazi Germany & Occupied Europe

China

Guatemala

Uganda

In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim."

Nice stats.

Why don't you mention how many million Indians the Americans have killed?

Mr Pheer · 02-27-2008, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet

Nice stats.

Why don't you mention how many million Indians the Americans have killed?

we had a war with India?

sandman! · 02-27-2008, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Owning assault weapons is not a civil right, people worried about losing their "right to bear arms" need to take a look at what kind of arms were available when that was written. It sure wasn't referring to automatic weapons.

I think he's referring to the assault weapons ban that expired, and Bush neglected to renew. Where do you draw the line? You let people have assault weapons, why not let them keep bombs and rocket launchers too?

whats wrong with rocket launchers ?

Mr Pheer · 02-27-2008, 02:53 AM

anybody who watches youtube can make bombs and rocket launchers

Porn Farmer · 02-27-2008, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I told you. Germany. I quoted Adolf..

I'm not talking about Nazi Germany, that's been beaten to death a million times by gun nuts.

Also, you are wrong. Germany was already a dictatorship under the Nazi's when the Weapons Law of 1938 was created. There was no causal relationship.

Do some reading and learn some history.

I will repeat myself: I want to know of a government that turned from a democracy to a dictatorship after introducing gun control and as a result of gun control.

D · 02-27-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

If, as the gun nuts claim, gun control leads to totalitarianism where are the dictatorships in Australia, England, the Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Canada, blah, blah, blah... (continue list of dozens of democracies with gun control).

Can anyone actually name a country that has turned from a democracy to a dictatorship after introducing gun control and as a result of gun control?

Disarming the populace is the first active step in the rise of a dictatorship... not the cause of it. The _cause_ of it's the actual dictatorial power.

Historically, just about every single dictatorship that's ever existed has either disarmed the populace beforehand, or done so as a first step immediately after assuming power.

But to name just one - how about the first democracy? Ancient Greece. When the Spartans took control of Athens and ruled with the Thirty Tyrants - ending the world's first democracy, the first thing they did was disarm every citizen in the city-state of Athens.

You must understand that "guns" are simply the most recent "arms." That's why our Constitution says "arms," and not "rifles," "firearms," "guns," or what-have-you... our founding fathers had enough foresight to understand that the technology of homicide would continue to develop. When laser-rifles become the thing - our right to bear them should persist.

Maybe it's not pretty, but it is what it is. In a "Republic," the citizen has the ultimate authority - and for that authority to persist it needs to be backed by the concept of lethal force. Otherwise - assuming the government has weapons, and the citizenry doesn't - by definition, one lives in what's called a "police state."

Porn Farmer · 02-27-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

No you stupid ADD fuck it turned to a dictatorship after he took the guns..You need to learn your own history..because if the people still had guns it would have stayed a democracy.

You are wrong. Read some history.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-27-2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

we had a war with India?

Indians as in the native population of North American continent.

Porn Farmer · 02-27-2008, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by D

Disarming the populace is the first active step in the rise of a dictatorship... not the cause of it. The _cause_ of it's the actual dictatorial power.

Historically, just about every single dictatorship that's ever existed has either disarmed the populace beforehand, or done so as a first step immediately after assuming power.

But to name just one - how about the first democracy? Ancient Greece. When the Spartans took control of Athens and ruled with the Thirty Tyrants - ending the world's first democracy, the first thing they did was disarm every citizen in the city-state of Athens.

You must understand that "guns" are simply the most recent "arms." That's why our Constitution says "arms," and not "rifles," "firearms," "guns," or what-have-you... our founding fathers had enough foresight to understand that the technology of homicide would continue to develop. When laser-rifles become the thing - our right to bear them should persist.

Maybe it's not pretty, but it is what it is. In a "Republic," the citizen has the ultimate authority - and for that authority to persist it needs to be backed by the concept of lethal force. Otherwise - assuming the government has weapons, and the citizenry doesn't - by definition, one lives in what's called a "police state."

You still didn't answer my question, just avoided it.

We are talking about firearms. Not spears, or knives.

Gun nuts say that gun control leads directly to dictatorship. I want someone to tell me of a country that turned from a democracy to a dictatorship after introducing gun control and as a result of gun control.

Still waiting.

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Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-27-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by D

Disarming the populace is the first active step in the rise of a dictatorship... not the cause of it.

Please.

America is far less democratic that most advanced nations.

Need I remind you of US Patriot Act?

D · 02-27-2008, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

You still didn't answer my question, just avoided it.

We are talking about firearms. Not spears, or knives.

Gun nuts say that gun control leads directly to dictatorship. I want someone to tell me of a country that turned from a democracy to a dictatorship after introducing gun control and as a result of gun control.

Still waiting.

I didn't think I avoided your question, man...

I thought I tried to point out to you where it didn't make any sense.

It's like you're asking "ok, how many times have you gotten ready for work in the morning as a result of taking a shower?"

Taking a shower (insofar as my mornings go) is one of the first steps of getting ready for work. Your question doesn't make sense.

And _we_ are talking about "arms." _We_ have been for over 230 years. _You_ might not be talking about them, and that may be part of the misunderstanding.

Drop the "gun nut" thing, and talk about the actual issues, and maybe we'll get somewhere, imho.

D · 02-27-2008, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet

Please.

America is far less democratic that most advanced nations.

Need I remind you of US Patriot Act?

Where did I say the U.S. was a democracy? I don't think I've said such a thing in over 10 years.

We're a "Republic".... Debateably a "representative democracy."

Regardless, The part you quoted had nothing to do with "America."

baddog · 02-27-2008, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet

Great Britain is a Monarchy.

You = fail.

WTF do you think I implied?

You = fucking idiot.

Porn Farmer · 02-27-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by D

I didn't think I avoided your question, man...

I thought I tried to point out to you where it didn't make any sense.

It's like you're asking "ok, how many times have you gotten ready for work in the morning as a result of taking a shower?"

Taking a shower (insofar as my mornings go) is one of the first steps of getting ready for work. Your question doesn't make sense.

And _we_ are talking about "arms." _We_ have been for over 230 years. _You_ might not be talking about them, and that may be part of the misunderstanding.

Drop the "gun nut" thing, and talk about the actual issues, and maybe we'll get somewhere, imho.

You're talking about arms, I'm talking about firearms. I don't care about knives, spears, knuckle dusters - only firearms. I do not wish to discuss other weapons.

Also, I'm not dropping the gun nut thing. That's how I like to describe them because that's what they are. It's no different to calling a marijuana addict a pothead and has nothing to do with the argument at hand. It is the way I describe firearm addicts.

Now, gun nuts tell us that gun control is the precursor to dictatorship. I've forgotten how many times I've heard this. They claim a direct causal relationship. First you take away a people's guns, then you remove a democracy and install a dictatorship.

All I am asking is that someone name a country that turned from a democracy to a dictatorship after introducing gun control and as a result of gun control.

Look at all the countries today with gun control... why aren't they dictatorships? In fact, none of them are. None that weren't dictatorships already.

So my point is that the argument that gun control leads to totalitarianism is flawed, fatally so.

Xxxavier · 02-27-2008, 07:46 AM

just to jump right in:

My father was present in cuba when mr fidel castro announced
"guns, the people don't need guns" and some agreed. Many today say
that was a grave mistake. Many payed with there lives.
Till this day my fathers brother a (communist) states "he would slit his own brothers throat" if he had to.

I also have 7 family members still in cubas prisons just because they don't agree with the current state of communism in there country. And thats after 9 where executed during the last 60yrs. Now what the Fuck...

Europe "europeans" enjoy(s) there wonderful lives under a vale of protection from the U.S.
If it came down to it America "Americans" would have to fight your battles for you again!

As for the right to bear arms, we have the right to bear the type of arms neccesary to fight our way out of an attempt to ????

Washington D.C. whent from being a democracy to a dictatorship with the "strongest gun control laws" in the entire U.S. and the entire free world.
the dictators are the thugs that control those streets...

Gun control is the over 20,000 laws currentlly on the books here in the U.S.
Stats clearly show that its not guns that kill people its people that kill people.

The only reason to remove OUR guns is to FUCK US...one day. Not to make it safe for everyone. There are many other things we can do first...like enforce current gun laws. No that would not help your cause. Which is just to remove All guns from everyone.

If you want to live where there are No guns allowed move to Washington D.C. and enjoy.

cykoe6 · 02-27-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by D

Disarming the populace is the first active step in the rise of a dictatorship... not the cause of it. The _cause_ of it's the actual dictatorial power.

Historically, just about every single dictatorship that's ever existed has either disarmed the populace beforehand, or done so as a first step immediately after assuming power.

But to name just one - how about the first democracy? Ancient Greece. When the Spartans took control of Athens and ruled with the Thirty Tyrants - ending the world's first democracy, the first thing they did was disarm every citizen in the city-state of Athens.

You must understand that "guns" are simply the most recent "arms." That's why our Constitution says "arms," and not "rifles," "firearms," "guns," or what-have-you... our founding fathers had enough foresight to understand that the technology of homicide would continue to develop. When laser-rifles become the thing - our right to bear them should persist.

Maybe it's not pretty, but it is what it is. In a "Republic," the citizen has the ultimate authority - and for that authority to persist it needs to be backed by the concept of lethal force. Otherwise - assuming the government has weapons, and the citizenry doesn't - by definition, one lives in what's called a "police state."

Very well put. Under the US system of government rights are granted to the government by the people. Not the other way around. The natural right of the citizens to bear arms to defend themselves against tyranny is the keystone of that system. If you remove it then the system will fail.

ADL Colin · 02-27-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

The rest of the world thinking I'm an idiot is exactly why I've got the guns.

ADL Colin · 02-27-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

yes, yes it is...

A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html
The "Hitler" Quote That Wouldn't Die: "1935 Will Go Down In History!"

"This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
---Falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!" ["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)], April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann [Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann].

This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the words "This year..." are replaced by "1935..." has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.

The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess, and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of Hitler's speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this (which is easily understandable when you realize that "Hitler" is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the title of a newspaper called Berliner Tageblatt, and a check of the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears in the pages of Berliner Tageblatt on that date, or dates close to it, because there was no such speech to report.

Finally, the citation includes a proper name "Eberhard Beckmann," which is sometimes cited as "by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann," which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of the German language that they were unaware that "Einleitung" isn't the fellow's first name! The only "Eberhard Beckmann" which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions, but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after WWII, and he wrote several introductions to photography books, one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia), which may be the source of the curious phrase "Abschied vom Hessenland!" which appears in the citation. This quotation, however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud.

TheDoc · 02-27-2008, 09:52 AM

Thank god the President doesn't have the power to ban such things.

I don't think we need assault riffles, but all to his own when it comes to personal freedom. Even if the bill passed, I wouldn't give up a single weapon that I own - but rather stock pile them for.. safe keeping.

spunkmaster · 02-27-2008, 09:49 PM

Why did Frank disappear after the facts were posted ?

dynastoned · 02-27-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yeah because guns should be a reason who to vote for a certain president.

You realize stuff like this is a one of the many reasons why the rest of the world thinks Americans are idiots right?

haven't we made it obvious enough yet? we don't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks.

tony286 · 02-27-2008, 09:57 PM

Right to bear arms was important to the founding fathers.The reason being that if the government failed they wanted safeguards that it could be over thrown. That was muskets against muskets, now that doesnt fit anymore.

J. Falcon · 02-27-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Right to bear arms was important to the founding fathers.The reason being that if the government failed they wanted safeguards that it could be over thrown. That was muskets against muskets, now that doesnt fit anymore.

Now it's just idiots who have a fetish with guns.

dynastoned · 02-27-2008, 10:11 PM

what the fuck is the deal? i like my guns. i like to go camping and blast my shit. then make a fire and howl and the moon with a bottle of vodka. fuck anyone who wants to take that from me.

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