I train and fight MMA. Out of the three dominant styles in MMA, Wrestling, Muay Thai, and BJJ, BJJ is the one that has been proven to be the most effective. There's empirical data supporting this, watch UFC 1 through 4.

If I had only one style of fighting to train, it would be Brazillian Jiu Jitsu.

As for BJJ not being the end all...

UFC Champions:

Heavyweight:
Rodrigo Minotauro Nogeuira - BJJ Black Belt

Light Heavyweight
Rampage Jackson - Trains BJJ No Gi

Middle Weight:
Anderson Silva - BJJ Blackbelt

Welter Weight:
Matt Serra - BJJ Blackbelt

Lightweight:
BJ Penn - BJJ Blackbelt

I think you may be wrong... a bit.

Don't get online advice for that. Hire a dietetist, it's unexpensive and worth it.

You're wrong... BJJ / Submission wrestling is the most effective art in MMA fight if you compare uni-dimentional fighters agaisn't uni-dimentional fighters.

However, MMA is now a different sport and you need to be well rounded to dominate.


A BJJ guy can win agaisn't a standup guy with no standup training.
A standup guy can't win agaisn't a BJJ guy without any BJJ training.

i can't be wrong AND correct at the same time with the same statement - can i??

:)

nope, i'm not wrong at all....i said BJJ the "end all", which means BJJ and nothing else

a pure bjj practicioner (bb or not) would get hurt badly against a well rounded fighter with ZERO formal (gi/belt system) training

it happens all the time bro :)

Yeah, I misread that. My bad.

I agree with you actually, in MMA, you have to be skilled in every facet. I'll use GSP as an example, he's probably the archetype of what a true MMA fighter should be. Excellent wrestling, excellent hands and kicks, and excellent submissions.

Earlier in this thread or maybe another, I made a comment that BJJ only fighters have been left behind. I used Royce vs Hughes as an example, Hughes considers himself BB level, if they used Belts at MFS, and his wrestling dominated that fight.

Another great example that comes to mind is Rani Yahya vs Chase Bebe (WEC 30 LW Championship). Rani is a world BJJ Champion, and it showed in the first round, I think he threw like 12 submissions attempts and had Chase in a sunk in kneebar, which he got out of. Chase came back and beat Rani.

All cases of a well rounded MMA fighter beating a one dimensional fighter. No argument there. I think I made my case already about if I only had one to train in. :)

yea i saw that fight, i've seen rani fight 2x in wec...i cant remember if it was his first or second fight i saw where ALL he did was shoot in over & over & over again - and paid dearly for it

however, if i had ONE fight style to train in only, it would be bjj as well...since nearly every standup/street fight ends up in a tussle (no matter how briefly), a knowledge of bjj would be very handy!


hey anthony are you going to phoenix??

Yep, one of his fights where he just kept going for the takedown, and his takedowns kinda look like mine, terrible. :) In his favor though, he submitted the guy in less than 30 seconds!

I'll be in Phoenix for sure! Looking forward to seeing you there!

cool shit!! look forward to seeing you as well!! :thumbsup

should i bring some training shorts & a rashguard??? :winkwink:

You know what's hilarious?! I brought two pairs of shorts and two rashguards for the costa rica bash!!!

The closest I got to rolling was when my friend Deep said that grappling stuff was gay and the guy on top could just punch out of it.

Here's a pic of him almost CTFO from my triangle, and me making sure he doesn't bang his head on the floor.

http://i27.tinypic.com/ayarmo.jpg

I arm barred him later when he tried punching in my open guard later. No pic though. :)

Man, years later, and I still can't help but laugh my ass off whenever I choke a non believer out!!! :):):)

nice pic, looks like you could have rolled into mounted triangle if you really wanted to :)

ill bring my shorts & rashguard to phoenix - i have ALOT of rust im working on getting rid of! :1orglaugh :thumbsup

I was contemplating it, nothing is more in your face than a mounted triangle, but he was already passing out so I let him off easy and just let it go. The hilarity and threats of violence if the picture ever got out was just too much! :1orglaugh

Yah for sure, bring your gear, maybe get Dave if his injury is healed. I also met a Doug (Might be wrong on his name), in Las Vegas also in the biz, who's another Machado guy, Brown Belt. Hopefully he makes it as well!

Dig, you making Phoenix?

Lol... This thread has gotton interesting. I post, then go to the gym, shoot my scene and its jumpin..lol.. I love it!!


A purest in BJJ will get smoked in an mma fight.. But it makes a great base to start your MMA training.


Rampage is the best example; destroyed him left right and side ways up in Big Bear. But if he swung on me it would have sucked ass!!! I would triangle him and he would pick me up as if i were nothing! It would be stupid to hold on. i learned to hook his left ankle with my right arm and he could not pick me up. he would fall back and it was done. And when he picked me up faster than i could hook the leg, I would drop guard be on my feet, drop level and go for the low single.. Was fun times but i make no elusions that i can whoop his ass in the cage. I always thought Tito was strong, but Rampage is stupid strong!! On a matt no gi, i would dominate him.


In short, i am really good with the gee and really good without. But would get beat by some of these guys in the cage.


I am not a tough guy and never really look at myself as a tough guy. I do train with what you guys would think are the toughest guys in the world. When we play on the ground strait grappling I generally own them (so would all BJJ BB's), but if it is NHB rules I would definitely have problems.


As for me personally, I competed competivly in kick boxing and muy tie 7 years before i started BJJ. I still kick box and box with a bunch of my pro friends. Its fun and games for me.


Can I Fight MMA?? Yes i can!! would I? To prove what?

I have, was 3-0 record. I fought in huge LA "smokers" 10 years ago, Nobody really knew what BJJ was and it really wasn't fair. My MMA career was a total of 5 minutes and i learned that i dont like blood and felt bad hurting people. Sounds gay, but i never dug on imposing my will on people. its not me and never will be. Mark Laimon is the same way. He teaches some of the best guys in the world ground.



I had knee surgery in December and was on crutches for 4 month. sux ass in a huge way. But I have been to the gym 8 days in a row and will go every single day this month. Cardio everyday is the trick. Will be back on the matt in 2 weeks. I went 6 days a week before my knee injury. Light weight high reps, and elliptical machine for 45 min With a healthy diet.

I got a BIO and couple of pics on my myspace.com/justdave .. Im pretty blunt and strait up on that myspace profile.


Its just me, "just" dave...:thumbsup

This thread is great, need's a bump

Here's the deal with strikers winning in the cage: Getting stood up is the worst thing that ever happened to BJJ and by extension real fighting in MMA. It's totally false that when nothing exciting is happening on the ground, the fighters get stood back up. In reality they would stay on the ground until the striker is able to get HIMSELF back up on his feet, which is a damn hard thing to do against a good BJJ man. What would happen most of the time is that the striker would eventually get tired and get submitted, or he would get wild trying desperately to get back to his feet and he would get submitted. Royce would NEVER have beaten Dan Severn with the current rules.

Without adding in the rule about being stood back up, every fighter would still be a BJJ practitioner first and foremost and a striker second. This: "a pure bjj practicioner (bb or not) would get hurt badly against a well rounded fighter with ZERO formal (gi/belt system) training" is just silly. A bjj bb would absolutely destroy any fighter with zero grappling training, 100% of the time.

couldnt you just ask him for a date? :Graucho

Oh so true, without the grappling it's game over, unless you get a lucky punch/knee/kick first seconds, which is not very likely against a BJJ bb.

I'm not sure how you can say positvely that "a pure BJJ guy would get destroyed in the cage by an MMA fighter.".

My old instructor, a pure BJJ fighter is the Vale Tudo Panama champion, currently. On top of that, he fought in Bodog, against an MMA guy that was more rounded, mounted him and pounded him out.

So I guess it can't always be the same then?

lol anthony that picture is worth a thousand words... anyways im gonna try to get started in some BJJ really soon, go easy on me next time i see you heh

lol.. Even the BJJ purests cross train. We get board beating down the whole class day in and day out. We are already athletes, picking up new things like punching and kicking is easer than an athletic buff gym guy picking up MMA.


I do stupid shit, like hold a diet pepsi while playing guard or make a cell phone call and play guard with no hands for 30 min. at a time. And i do this to Purple belts. lol


I kick-box and box western style. I love it!! It sounds funny, but i like being a student too. Every where i go to train, i end up teaching. Its kinda lame for my personal training, but its even lamer if i dont teach and dont answer questions. People get so excited because of my level and my willingness to share info.


BJJ is an awesome start to MMA. But you cant neglect your striking:2 cents:

This months Yahoo! Sports MMA Top 10 pound-for-pound poll,as voted by 15 reporters and editors from the major national sports websites; newspapers that cover MMA; and legitimate MMA related websites.

10. Miguel Torres
09. Dan Henderson
08. Randy Couture
07. Urijah Faber
06. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
05. B.J. Penn
04. Fedor Emelianenko
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how is that silly??? just cause a guy can grapple & submit ppl doesnt mean he can FIGHT - theres a huge difference between BJJ with a gi & MMA...Dan Severn 10-12 years ago, are you fucking kidding me??? UFC back then was to prove that BJJ was the superior fighting art of the various fighting systems - (it was more purist style vs purist style) - ufc in the mid 90's was a spectacle and in no way was it a representation of mixed martial arts

again, read carefully what i said:

"...a pure bjj practicioner (bb or not) would get hurt badly against a well rounded fighter with ZERO formal (gi/belt system) training

^ i didnt say a guy that didnt know ANY jj, i said someone who's never had any traditional jj training






as for the second half of your misguided statement, that would also be incorrect...100% of the time?? lol yea right...i would agree that a high percentage of the time that statement of yours would be true, but definitely not 100% of the time...after all, the BJJ bb needs to avoid strikes AND close the distance to his opponent AND get him to the ground (assuming he doesnt do any "flying" techniques lol or jump to guard) before his skills can even begin to be used :upsidedow

you make a great point, but i'd almost be willing to bet the house that your old instructor does some cross training (striking) and isnt just a pure BJJ practitioner :winkwink:

a pure ANYTHING (muay thai, boxer, wrestler, judoka, etc) won't be winning too many fights against today's MMA fighter :)

ok, if it makes you feel better then 99.9999999% of the time ;) Takedowns are a lot easier -a LOT - against someone who hasn't trained to resist them.

so if your hypothetical well rounded guy has no formal ground training.. what, are you talking about someone who watches tapes and practices on a grappling dummy in his garage or something? Not following your train of thought here.

dig, dont you train?? from what i've noticed, a majority of the guys training mma just do sub grappling classes as opposed to "formal" (traditional) jj training - training with a gi

the emphasis in a "no gi" class is alot different that jj and there's far more techniques and submissions learned in JJ than subgrappling, by essence of there being a gi there to assist in many techniques that would be impossible to do on a person who's just rolling in a pair of shorts :)

Thanks for that link.

gi, no gi, it's still bjj.

Yup... I agree.. With Gi i generally dont nail triangles because i got 30 inch quads. I use triangle to set up oma platas, go go platas, arm locks and 2 nasty tricks nobody knows about.


But with out the Gi, i nail triangle all day long. The sweat makes my game flow that much faster. Think of the Gi as a weight vest and when it comes off the speed comes!! The grips are slightly modified but the control theories are still there.:2 cents:

yah it's basically the same thing. Throw out the collar chokes, emphasize position more, but it's most definitely still bjj.