Doesn't really matter..... obviously we do not NEED to declare shit.... we just go in and kick that ass, just like we do everywhere else. :glugglug

Bush cant declare war?

I thought the president could wage war without approval for at least sometime.

on cnn...

I love the way this hahahaha on TV is saying this is a preemtive attack.

The way I see it we were attacked, a few times as a matter of fact, WTC wasnt the first bomb.

This is a lashing back.

Let them bleed.

when was the last time they declared war?

gee, cnn october :)

i remember

"Bush declares war on Terror"
even though it wasn't named somehting like "War against Afghanistan" it dosent need to be

hes still waging war

shit, he'll have waged 2 wars in the same year :)

we've always had the right to make preemptive military attacks, we do not need to be struck first to retaliate. Saddam has used chemical weapons in the past and it is a well known fact that he and other middle eastern countries are attempting to obtain materials for a nuclear weapon. We can either do nothing and pay later, or act now.

Plus, it may be a good opportunity for india to bomb pakistan and get away with it while we're busy elsewhere.

No, theres a difference between the "cnn wage war" shit, and an actual Declaration of War. Very different things, whether you believe it or not.

Once that man has the *go on it, you will see what a Declaration of War is we haven't launched or ignited anything, yet.

And to be honest, I can't wait to see what ole GW has in him. He has waited his entire life to put his finger on this button, now is his time to show.

Get the go ahead. Push the Button.

Wipeout.

Amp, thats not true... he was too busy buying weapons and building billion dollar palaces all over the country - so he did not have a choice.

building all those palaces not leave enough left over for pop tarts and band aids for the kids :(

Shit.. Bush still talking about Iraq? He needs to get a job - but again, doubt he'd get hired, - just too stupid

Well us foreigners (down under) are about the only country that supports USA in their stance against Iraq.

Unfortunatly too many people remmeber how Oz followed USA blindly into Vietnam, got lots of us killed for no reason, so general public feeling isn't one of 'yeah lets go bomb the shit outa Iraq'.

Too bloody politicaly correct over hear, tree huggers get too much bloody say.

Technically, it's not war. But basically, it is war with various provisions. Time limits, etc. Came into play when Johnson wanted to blast that ship in the Bay of Tonka (older guys, is that what it was? I forget my history class.)

Exactly. And from what I understand, we DID send them aid and food for the citizens. But their great ruler would not distribute them to the people, instead he used the supplies for himself and his military.

So eat shit all you liberal fuckers. If it were ANY other country, you people would be saying "aww, why doesn't someone go in and help those poor people!" Who fucking cares if oil comes out of the deal! Europe will sure as hell get some, we don't need it. And some kids will finally get some grub AND medicine, to boot!

Fucking hypocrites.

"Technically, it's not war. But basically, it is war with various provisions. "

Still more "words" and rherotic from a total asshole who was "half elected" on doubious money (ain't they all?) and has not one iota of ability on any facit of government and found his "blessing" in having an enemy where he can hide from the real world and ingore more complex stuff like ecomony ("Yea, I know it's a budget - it's got figures on it"), health and every other thing he *should* be thinking about.

The "candystore Whitehouse cowboy" ass needs to tend some cattle in Texas - if he can manage that...

A President cannot declare war. Since the introduction of the War Powers act a President can engage our military for up to ninety days without Congressional approval. Congress controls the purse strings and can cease to fund the engagement after ninety days. This happened to President Nixon. President Nixon promised South Vietnam that if North Vietnam did not abide by the peace agreements he would begin another round of heavy bombing of the North (which is what convinced the North to sign peace agreements in the first place). The North violated the peace agreements but Nixon could not respond with air power because the Congress had cut him off at the knees by cutting off funding for any further action in Vietnam.

How I wish someone would nuke the US.

never happen.... you know damn well if there's ever nukes headed this way, and if we can't take 'em out, we're taking half the planet with us straight to hell. :glugglug

Puke, what country is it that you want to committ suicide?

i think people tend to miss the point that the Oil for Food program and the sanctions in general, are a program implemented and overseen by the UN. Not the US. They provide for plenty of food, medication and money for Iraqs needs. It is Saddam Hussein who fucks this all up.

Saddam has made the choice to not allow weapons inspections, to shoot at coalition air patrols and to violate the 16 resolutions passed by the UN. That is why the sanctions have never been lifted and are supported by the world community and UN.

If the Iraqi people suffer, then you need to direct your anger at the root of the problem which is the policy of Saddam Hussein

punkworld:

Nuke em? Hell bit drastic and you gonna kill more innocent folks?

Although.. think this world would be far safer having some more executions at Huntsville of the Bush Admin *lol*

To tell ya the truth, I now feel kinda sorry for the US, - I have many good friends there and this place is getting so fucked up - it is a joke! Gotta be the worst possible place, least in the western world, for any "freedoms" blah "that we value most dearly" .. Pity!

Yes, I know this. Which led to Johnson getting the ninety day deal later on. Was it the Bay of Tonka?

I bet Hussein's and Bin Laden's thoughts aren't too far off from your own. And you wonder why we are forced to police the fuckin' world.

Typically americans... convinced they're invincible, wanting to kill everything that does not agree with them. Well, dimwits, I guess you haven't heard about the dozens of missing suitcase nukes ("dirty bombs") from the former SU yet? Now, obviously, it wouldn't take a country to use those, just an organization.

(and no, I wasn't serious when I was saying I wished the US got nuked. however, with your current behaviour, I'm afraid it will eventually happen. )

whatta you mean, "convinced"..... we ARE invincible. :glugglug

"I bet Hussein's and Bin Laden's thoughts aren't too far off from your own. And you wonder why we are forced to police the fuckin' world."

I am sure they ain't!! Plus now many more have that opinion as well - even your "allies" *lol*

As for the world's policemen, - when were you appointed/sworn in? I missed that one!!

US needs to fuck off and stay outta *everyone's* business - their track record is a fucking disgrace...

I don't wonder about that. I know the reason. Because you all seem to be idiots who run around screaming "nuke this country! kill that country! flatten that country!" Has it ever occurred to you that the people in those countries might feel exactly the same way you do when someone says he wants to nuke your country?

As I recall the War Powers Act did not exist during Johnsons presidency. The congress passed the Tokin Gulf Resolution which gave President Johnson unlimited power to engage North Vietnam. If I recall correctly the War Powers Act was made law during President Fords presidency. I could be wrong, it has been awhile since I have researched any of this. I am sure that someone will correct me if I am.

Tell that to the people who were working in the WTC.

Someone needs an education.. (including the "President"!)

lets be realistic. we don't know what saddam is up to, but we do know he is up to some sort of trouble.

should we deal with him now or after he has done something to us?

how old is he? how many more years does he have to go? you don't think he wants to go out with a bang??

what are we going to do if he launches some bio chemical attack against the usa or another country, then thousands die, and we said no we didn' t want to attack him

then what? more people die?

the middle east has always been a big problem and needs to be dealt with. i don't approve of bush dealing with this fiasco, he is like a 5 yr old at a toy store.

someone needs to deal with the middle east, and put them in their place. everybody knows this, and it has to happen. wether bush should be the one is up to congress and the people of the world.

sure more people will die, but how many will be saved from future actions by saddam?

you've got to think about the future...you'll be here to expierence it , and your kids :)

We appointed ourselves. Obviously no one else is capable.


Sure.... but we can actually DO IT. :)


I meant as a country bunghole.... not individual people.

And for all those that are still dumb enough that america wants the best for the world:

A. Which country greatly supported the Taliban with both financial aid and weapons, even though they were already starting to oppress the other people in afghanistan and murdering all those that opposed that?

B. Which country supported Saddam Hussain with weapons, technology and money, even though he was using those against the minorities in his own country?

C. Which country installed and supported numerous dictatorships in middle and south america, and even had a school where future dictators were trained?

D. Which country is the only one to have ever used the atomic bomb in war, against civilian targets?

E. Which country is the one that has shown to be the biggest threat to world peace in the past 50 years?

Now, think for a moment, and decide which country really forms the biggest threat to the rest of the world.

Saddam? Shit.. there are at least six "more relevant" countries than Iraq that have/will have nuclear capability.. One was North Korea? Remember the Asshole's "Axis of Evil"? It means nuthing - once again! Words!

Now we got the US sending "trade missions" there - tell ya, the word "neurotic" is comes no place near describing the US Admin - they are so warped!

And.. remember, who armed Mr bin Laden when the situation was "convenient"?? Ya can't trust one word that comes outta the US!

Saddam? Shit.. there are at least six "more relevant" countries than Iraq that have/will have nuclear capability.. One was North Korea? Remember the Asshole's "Axis of Evil"? It means nuthing - once again! Words!

Now we got the US sending "trade missions" there - tell ya, the word "neurotic" is comes no place near describing the US Admin - they are so warped!

And.. remember, who armed Mr bin Laden when the situation was "convenient"?? Ya can't trust one word that comes outta the US!

Kinda like IBill blah - you gotta verify *everything* and not accept one "fact" from em:Graucho

i like the European idea of
"peace at any cost"

certainly a strategy that has played out well over the last century.
just wait until you are invaded/attacked/occupied until you decide that maybe something should be done.

you cannot be the most popular without being the most hated. that is a simple fact of life. you cannot make EFFECTIVE decisions that make EVERYONE happy. that is another fact.

personally, i think that most bullies tend to mellow out after they get their ass kicked... not when you give in to them. feeding the sharks (trying to appease terrorists) to keep them from eating you (attacking again) is a short term strategy.

Tokin Gulf! That's it!

try convincing the vietnamese of that, dimwit.

well guys.... I betcha if we just decided to kick back and let Hussein run loose doing as he pleases, you'd be one of the first ones to come fucking crying to save your asses.... cuz let's face it... what the FUCK are you gonna do without Uncle Sam saving your sorry asses?

"We appointed ourselves. Obviously no one else is capable. "

Mmmm.. yea, kinda sums up the US - arrogant beyond reason...

better read your history chief... Vietnam didn't beat us... we cut our own hamstrings. Our own politicians sabotaged us.

This is about controll of the country that has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world.

It is not about weapons of mass destruction. That is only a means of justifying Bush's actions.

You tell me who else is gonna step up to bat and I'll shut up. :glugglug

You fucked up BIGTIME messing, once again in other people's business acting at the "world's policeman".

the usa does have a problem with sticking their nose into things that they shouldn't

however, the middle east is a big problem, and the UN / Usa and other countries need to deal with it before genocide arrives

saddam is loonie, or his country would be run fine like the usa :)

are you from one of those countries that also screams "you fucked up big time by not feeding us and giving us billions in aid?"

Vietnam didn't beat you... so I guess thousands of american soldiers dying without accomplishing anything is a sign of winning?

Like I said... you tell me one other country that's gonna take over the job and be able to complete it and I'll shut up. Don't hate us bcuz we're great.... we still love you. :glugglug

Everyone else has more comon sense - you just continue paying good tax dollars to bomb the fuck outta people and you will get the same in return sadly.

The going phrase is "Why do they hate us?" Fuck.. get real!
(they are "jealous" of course!! :Graucho Bollocks!)

try re reading what I posted one more time there Cap'n... I siad our own politicians sabotaged us..... had they not done that, Vietnam would be a vacation resort right now. :glugglug

you still haven't named one.... :glugglug

vacation resort - lovely asian whores

mmmmmmmm

:)

The US is the modern day Roman empire and should act like it!

Democracy is based on war and expansion -- it is Imperial by nature.

The United States is one of the few Nation States left with balls.

NATO should be in control -- not the UN.

The UN is weak and has been hijacked by third world countries who deserve to be lead and assimilated into the empire of democracy.

Those who stand in the way should be crushed.

Fuck baseball -- hockey's better.

Yeah, richest country in the world, yet 13,7% of the people living below the poverty line clearly shows good management. Just like producing 25% of the world's pollution yet refusing to ratify international agreements concerning reduction of polution. Who cares if our children will suffer, starve, die...

You are killing my future children, and therefore I will fight you. Sounds pretty good, actually.