How many people have joined the $750 charging processor exodus? - GoFuckYourself.com

Krome · 10-06-2002, 06:08 PM

At a guess how many people do you reckon have already jumped ship and moved over to either globill, verotel etc....

Socks · 10-06-2002, 06:13 PM

At least planning to

Fletch XXX · 10-06-2002, 06:14 PM

varying guesses.

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 06:57 PM

From the sound of things around here, and elsewhere, a lot of people are just planning to jump ship. In many cases, there is no good reason not to. I think the Big Three will really change their positions in the market thanks to this. It can't be good for them. Especially the loss of goodwill.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:01 PM

Aria demonstrates what is happening to us from our pay masters...

http://www.esnem.net/aria/ariafist/ariafist1.html

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 07:03 PM

To be fair, I think we are more taking it up the *ass*...

TDF · 10-06-2002, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

Aria demonstrates what is happening to us from our pay masters...

http://www.esnem.net/aria/ariafist/ariafist1.html

now i feel SHITTY about shaking her hand in Florida..

steffie · 10-06-2002, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

Aria demonstrates what is happening to us from our pay masters...

http://www.esnem.net/aria/ariafist/ariafist1.html

And this my dear
WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BY GOD VISA
so please be so kind and remove this picture from the watchful eyes of big brother!!!!!!!!

How obscene!!!! ts ts ts

Pornwolf · 10-06-2002, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

now i feel SHITTY about shaking her hand in Florida..

I'd like to be just like her hand... Deeeeeeep in the pooooosay!

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf

I'd like to be just like her hand... Deeeeeeep in the pooooosay!

or her wrist...

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 07:15 PM

Heh. Looks like this thread got a little de-railed... Let's not forget about the lovely treatment we're getting from the billers, and all the customers they are losing. It's all fun and games until someone loses a hand...

jimmyf · 10-06-2002, 07:16 PM

I would lick her hand clean....

Joe Sixpack · 10-06-2002, 07:20 PM

Let's face it:

THE MAN OWNS YOU ALL
YOU ARE ALL SLAVES TO THE MAN
THE MAN WILL BEND YOU OVER AND FUCK YOU IN THE ARSE AT WILL AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

That's all. Thank you.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:20 PM

http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/ccbill.htm - CCbill

http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/Epoch.htm -

Lets research some of the key business strategies of two of the billing companies...Information courtsey of Luke Ford.

[Labret] · 10-06-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/Epoch.htm -

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Paycom/Epoch is behind in payments to webmasters for the third or fourth time in the past 2 years. They are losing new banking relationships every day. They have been shut down by Lloyds of London and more recently Amtrade Bank to name a few.

The company is being run by an egomaniac that is raping his own company and heading them down the path of disaster at the expense of the webmasters. Every webmaster on board with Paycom/Epoch is about to go down shortly. I advise these people to get their databases and get out. Time is growing short.

Epoch? Ego? Cmon now. They are the most down to earth peole I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.

Epoch cares. Like Jesus.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Epoch? Ego? Cmon now. They are the most down to earth peole I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.

Epoch cares. Like Jesus. [/B]

I like Epoch as well, I like CCbill and I Bill for that matter...I am just merely bringing in other perspectives...

Sly_RJ · 10-06-2002, 07:43 PM

I'm fairly positive over 2000 accounts already have or will be transferred pretty soon. My site isn't up yet, but I don't think we'll be using any of the Big 3. Probably Netbilling instead.

Oh, I just got my new Discover card in the mail yesterday. Of course I'll still need to rely on Visa at times, but Discover is now my card of choice.

[Labret] · 10-06-2002, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

I like Epoch as well, I like CCbill and I Bill for that matter...I am just merely bringing in other perspectives...

I was kidding...

quiet · 10-06-2002, 07:45 PM

i love all the processors.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:48 PM

A few months ago in the UK a report was leaked to the press regarding one of the biggest banks over here "The Halifax" it outlines what types of business they wanted...cash businesses and small busines were highlighted in the avoid section...maybe the big 3 want big clients only and this is a perfect situation for them...

Serge_Oprano · 10-06-2002, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Krome
http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/ccbill.htm - CCbill

http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/Epoch.htm -

Lets research some of the key business strategies of two of the billing companies...Information courtsey of Luke Ford.

Krome, those articles just over 17 months old....

do you have archive papiruses from Egypt about CCbill and Epoch?

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Krome, those articles just over 17 months old....

do you have archive papiruses from Egypt about CCbill and Epoch?

Serge if you want ancient scrolls on processors that cave men used believe me I can forge...I mean find them....

Serge_Oprano · 10-06-2002, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

Serge if you want ancient scrolls on processors that cave men used believe me I can forge...I mean find them....

Krome,
I think articles which are 17 month old are ANCIENT history in Internet years
;-)))

Krome · 10-06-2002, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Krome,
I think articles which are 17 month old are ANCIENT history in Internet years
;-)))

Serge I am just trying to stir up shit...hehehe....Personally I use Ibill, CCbill, Epoch and now Electra Cash as another check processor and I really do not give a fuck about this $750....but I am trying to understand the logic behind the big 3 not joining Globill or Verotel's stance, hence this post :

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A few months ago in the UK a report was leaked to the press regarding one of the biggest banks over here "The Halifax" it outlines what types of business they wanted...cash businesses and small busines were highlighted in the avoid section...maybe the big 3 want big clients only and this is a perfect situation for them...

FATPad · 10-06-2002, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Krome, those articles just over 17 months old....

do you have archive papiruses from Egypt about CCbill and Epoch?

LOL

You're normally a pain in the ass, but that was funny.

cherrylula · 10-06-2002, 08:01 PM

Ouch so Aria is doing hardcore now?

Nina · 10-06-2002, 08:03 PM

This whole Visa mess is just one more reason for me to thank Lightspeed. I'm so glad I'm not out there on my own anymore. They've been so awesome to work with and now not having to deal with this Visa thing is just one more benefit of our partnership.

But I do feel for those small sites out there and I'm pretty sure if I was still one of them I would be looking to Globill as a billing option. I've used them in the past and they seem very solid. I'm sure tons of sites are making the switch, the only problem I see are what to do with your old re-billing members. I know Globill has a way you can ease the transition but it's not seamless and I'm sure you'd lose some along the way.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Nina

the only problem I see are what to do with your old re-billing members. I know Globill has a way you can ease the transition but it's not seamless and I'm sure you'd lose some along the way.

that is the thing that most people have actually not researched and looked at enough..the rebilling...what about all those affiliates of ours who you cant take over with you? The thing is it will balance itself out...the sites will not have to pay affiliates for a few months hence actually maybe making out of it...

Sly_RJ · 10-06-2002, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
Ouch so Aria is doing hardcore now?

Not anymore, she did when she started.

Serge_Oprano · 10-06-2002, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad

LOL

You're normally a pain in the ass, but that was funny.

"what do you mean it was funny? Do I amuse you? like a clown?"

(--Goodfellas)

Nina · 10-06-2002, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

that is the thing that most people have actually not researched and looked at enough..the rebilling...what about all those affiliates of ours who you cant take over with you? The thing is it will balance itself out...the sites will not have to pay affiliates for a few months hence actually maybe making out of it...

I see your point about the affiliate thing, luckily for me most of my old re-billing members are my own, so (for the most part) there are no affiliates involved. And all of my old affiliates have switched to Lightspeed anyway. But I can see how that could be a major problem for people.

But I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "sites won't have to pay out affiliates for a few months".... I guess you mean if people switch over from one of the old processors, not pay the $750, lose their rebills (or try to transfer them) and move on to another processor, like Globill. So not only are you losing your rebills, you're losing your affiliates as well. That sucks.

Serge_Oprano · 10-06-2002, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
Ouch so Aria is doing hardcore now?

http://www.moviesounds.com/godfathr/p_of_ass.wav

Krome · 10-06-2002, 08:23 PM

Nina, bascially the sites will have to get their affiliates back over witht them...the affiliates will lose the rebill etc...however some new processors (well new ones that people are switching to) can bring the rebills over (in a weird sort of way the client has to sign up again) so basically the site then has the customer and does not have to share revenue with anyone...

Nina · 10-06-2002, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Krome
Nina, bascially the sites will have to get their affiliates back over witht them...the affiliates will lose the rebill etc...however some new processors (well new ones that people are switching to) can bring the rebills over (in a weird sort of way the client has to sign up again) so basically the site then has the customer and does not have to share revenue with anyone...

But they will be losing way more than gaining if they have to notify all their members and try to get them to switch processors.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Nina

But they will be losing way more than gaining if they have to notify all their members and try to get them to switch processors.

I suppose but if they have been running the site properly then the members will join again..

Nina · 10-06-2002, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

I suppose but if they have been running the site properly then the members will join again..

Yes and no.

Members who really love the site will rejoin. But there are many members who forgot they even joined in the first place, you don't really want to remind them to quit. This is not really the nicest thing to say but if someone is not responsible enough to quit it's their problem.

And many people are nervous about using their cards online, now you have to contact them and get them to re-enter their cc info and they will now be charged by a new billing company. They also might not understand that this has nothing to do with you or your company, they may think there's some kind of problem on your end with your old billing company.

So overall having to switch and gaining a few members back at 100% isn't going to really benefit anyone. And you're also going to lose a certain percentage of your affiliates.

Krome · 10-06-2002, 09:06 PM

Maybe

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And many people are nervous about using their cards online

because they joined a pay site and

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But there are many members who forgot they even joined in the first place, you don't really want to remind them to quit.

My view is let them quit...they will then trust you and once you have built up trust they will come back and pop in now and again...pr they will just chargeback and you pay in the end

hyper · 10-06-2002, 09:08 PM

any billing company that charges the fees
will never get a dime of my business.

even if visa eliminates the charges

gothweb · 10-06-2002, 09:11 PM

I just had a thought... I wonder if we will ever hear an answer to this poll's question? I mean, the billers probably already know how many they have lost... and can guess how many more.

View Poll Results: How many people have left the stay with us for $750 processors?
>100	3	5.66%
100-500	4	7.55%
500-1000	3	5.66%
1000-2000	5	9.43%
2000 plus	25	47.17%
Fuck it I am paying...	13	24.53%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

10-06-2002, 06:08 PM	#1
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	How many people have joined the $750 charging processor exodus? At a guess how many people do you reckon have already jumped ship and moved over to either globill, verotel etc....

10-06-2002, 06:14 PM	#3
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10-06-2002, 06:57 PM	#4
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	From the sound of things around here, and elsewhere, a lot of people are just planning to jump ship. In many cases, there is no good reason not to. I think the Big Three will really change their positions in the market thanks to this. It can't be good for them. Especially the loss of goodwill. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-06-2002, 07:03 PM	#6
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	To be fair, I think we are more taking it up the ass... __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-06-2002, 06:13 PM	#2
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	At least planning to

10-06-2002, 07:01 PM	#5
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Aria demonstrates what is happening to us from our pay masters... http://www.esnem.net/aria/ariafist/ariafist1.html

10-06-2002, 07:15 PM	#11
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Heh. Looks like this thread got a little de-railed... Let's not forget about the lovely treatment we're getting from the billers, and all the customers they are losing. It's all fun and games until someone loses a hand... __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-06-2002, 07:16 PM	#12
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	I would lick her hand clean.... __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

10-06-2002, 07:20 PM	#13
Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	Let's face it: THE MAN OWNS YOU ALL YOU ARE ALL SLAVES TO THE MAN THE MAN WILL BEND YOU OVER AND FUCK YOU IN THE ARSE AT WILL AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT That's all. Thank you.

10-06-2002, 07:43 PM	#17
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I'm fairly positive over 2000 accounts already have or will be transferred pretty soon. My site isn't up yet, but I don't think we'll be using any of the Big 3. Probably Netbilling instead. Oh, I just got my new Discover card in the mail yesterday. Of course I'll still need to rely on Visa at times, but Discover is now my card of choice.

10-06-2002, 07:45 PM	#19
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i love all the processors.

10-06-2002, 07:48 PM	#20
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	A few months ago in the UK a report was leaked to the press regarding one of the biggest banks over here "The Halifax" it outlines what types of business they wanted...cash businesses and small busines were highlighted in the avoid section...maybe the big 3 want big clients only and this is a perfect situation for them...

10-06-2002, 08:01 PM	#26
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Ouch so Aria is doing hardcore now?

10-06-2002, 08:03 PM	#27
Nina Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 2,687	This whole Visa mess is just one more reason for me to thank Lightspeed. I'm so glad I'm not out there on my own anymore. They've been so awesome to work with and now not having to deal with this Visa thing is just one more benefit of our partnership. But I do feel for those small sites out there and I'm pretty sure if I was still one of them I would be looking to Globill as a billing option. I've used them in the past and they seem very solid. I'm sure tons of sites are making the switch, the only problem I see are what to do with your old re-billing members. I know Globill has a way you can ease the transition but it's not seamless and I'm sure you'd lose some along the way.

10-06-2002, 08:23 PM	#33
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Nina, bascially the sites will have to get their affiliates back over witht them...the affiliates will lose the rebill etc...however some new processors (well new ones that people are switching to) can bring the rebills over (in a weird sort of way the client has to sign up again) so basically the site then has the customer and does not have to share revenue with anyone...

10-06-2002, 09:08 PM	#38
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	any billing company that charges the fees will never get a dime of my business. even if visa eliminates the charges __________________

10-06-2002, 09:11 PM	#39
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I just had a thought... I wonder if we will ever hear an answer to this poll's question? I mean, the billers probably already know how many they have lost... and can guess how many more. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.