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BJ 02-18-2008 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVF (Post 13799922)
Old man with no money = No young Eastern European wife...

You gotta do what you gotta do.

lol I spit chew on my desk:1orglaugh

Zorgman 02-18-2008 05:16 PM
And here I was only talking to Paul the other day about adding his hundreds of videos to TEVS tube sites.

Forget that now!

kane 02-18-2008 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 13799888)
Thanks Will. With Webstream going down we had few options. Maybe long term it will hurt, but our problems are short term ones today. My stand on Pirates and Acacia shows my ethics.

Anyone who wants to put their money where their mouth is and buy some content or send some traffic can flame us or even change our way of thinking. Those who choose not to buy or send traffic are part of the reason we had no options.

Yes this is my last word on this.
If you are truly against pirates, why support one? That is what you are doing. Even though you only have very short clips on the site and they are posting your banners it still doesn't change the fact that the site is filled with unlicensed and stolen content. By offering them money in exchange for traffic that was built on giving away stolen content is that not in fact supporting piracy?

GigoloMason 02-18-2008 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 13799888)
My stand on Pirates and Acacia shows my ethics.
Your stand? You're supporting a pirate. Some stand.

L-Pink 02-18-2008 05:23 PM
So just how is this money making scheme working? I would think your style content is exactly the type that does not convert.

kane 02-18-2008 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 13799965)
So just how is this money making scheme working? I would think your style content is exactly the type that does not convert.
To me it has less to do with the type of content and more to do with the fact that you can get hours of it free on the site, so why pay?

Brujah 02-18-2008 05:41 PM
How's that working out for you Paul? Do you see a big increase in sales initially?

theking 02-18-2008 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GigoloMason (Post 13799964)
Your stand? You're supporting a pirate. Some stand.
Good point.

will76 02-18-2008 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 13799940)
And here I was only talking to Paul the other day about adding his hundreds of videos to TEVS tube sites.

Forget that now!

I like the way you think. There are tons of good guys to do business with, stick to your guns!

DaddyHalbucks 02-18-2008 11:12 PM
Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php

BusterBunny 02-18-2008 11:13 PM
fiddy:pimp

Martin 02-18-2008 11:16 PM
Business must be slow hey Paul??? Sad.

Martin 02-18-2008 11:18 PM
Paul, I don't mind you giving one minute clips too tube sites.. You have the right idea but you don't need to deal with these types of sites.. It's hurting your business in the long run.. Wake up man!!!

Tempest 02-18-2008 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13801091)
Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php
I don't think that would apply.. However.. Every hosting company could probably be sued for "vicarious infringement" if they are notified that their client is constantly in violation of copyright infringement and they do nothing abou it...

stever 02-18-2008 11:55 PM
damn how did redtube get a ccbill id XXXX
i want that one!

L-Pink 02-18-2008 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13801091)
Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php
:thumbsup

Johny Traffic 02-19-2008 01:06 AM
why on earth would anyone not see this as a step forward? Wouldn't everyone want them to list content given to them by sponsors and not stolen?

Regardless of the length of videos they show, which has NOTHING to to with it, this is a new affiliate for PM and if they stopped all together using stolen content and worked with sponsors to use content provided than this is a step forward isn't it?

If anyone thinks youtube sites are not here to stay then you are in for a rough few years. :2 cents: They are here to stay and I see this as a possitive step forward.

Nookster 02-19-2008 01:09 AM
No affiliate code means he bought the spot. Can't say it surprises me at all from him. It's also amazing how so many people in this thread haven't even looked at the page.

Johny Traffic 02-19-2008 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nookster (Post 13801373)
No affiliate code means he bought the spot. Can't say it surprises me at all from him. It's also amazing how so many people in this thread haven't even looked at the page.
OK so what difference does that make? He has given them the content to use to advertise his site. If they only took content given to them by sponsors or advertisers, this would be a good thing wouldnt it?

pornask 02-19-2008 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Nookster (Post 13801373)
No affiliate code means he bought the spot.
It looks more like redtube missed that - they were supposed to include their aff code there, but forgot. If Paul bought the spot, it would be just linked directly to the .com domain.

Klen 02-19-2008 01:19 AM
Well one way or another nobody promotes Paul program so he have nothing to lose.

Johny Traffic 02-19-2008 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pornask (Post 13801391)
It looks more like redtube missed that - they were supposed to include their aff code there, but forgot. If Paul bought the spot, it would be just linked directly to the .com domain.
Makes no difference either way.


They are showing a video he has given them and advertising his site. Surely this is a step in the right direction isnt it? Wouldnt everyone here prefere thats all they used?

Matt 26z 02-19-2008 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13801091)
Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php
GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.

ServerGenius 02-19-2008 03:37 AM
So your sites aren't the success you preached them to be when you're running
out of money, you lost a customer paul.....goodluck you're lucky Brno isn't that
expensive yet.

viencarl 02-19-2008 05:47 AM
I think they learn something from this thread that not all people agree to them

kmanrox 02-19-2008 06:08 AM
wow.. this thread is on fire... i'll sit this one out, but BVF your signature alone was enough to make me almost fall out of my chair...

Brujah 02-19-2008 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13801412)
GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.
I believe you're wrong. These sponsors can go after the sites like AFF, Brazzers, etc.. who monetize these sites and capture some of the money they've earned. They should check with their legal advisors.

Nydahl 02-19-2008 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 13799804)
Thanks Falcon for the link.

This is my last word on this and all you who send us traffic can stop doing so if they don't like my reply. All those who buy content can also stop buying. The rest of you can keep not sending and not buying.

This is business and our first loyalty is to our family, then employees, then affiliates. People in the business are a bit further down the list and posters on GFY come very low.

We're giving Red Tube and other tube sites free content if they sign up or if they don't sign up. Content with our URL on and hopefully they will have a banner next to my content. we're looking for traffic. We will also be putting up an area in the affiliates section designed for Tube sites.

If you guys had been sending lots of sign ups and buying lots of content you would have some sway in how we run my business. If you are in this position please email so we can discuss it.

If you're not then you have no involvement in how we run our business. We will continue to support the efforts of www.removeyourcontent.com. Who sadly are banned from here. You might like to ask the moderators why that is.

Will and Tony. We can't pay the bills with your respect. How much traffic or content did you send or buy from me when you had the "respect" you lost? Think about it. Because maybe if you were doing either or both we would not be going the route we are.
So I think Paul deserves respect for this.
We don't support tube sites any way but you have to understand that this is really pretty hard time for content producers.All that we produce to make profit is shared for free and our biz is close to die.
I think its everyones choise and I repeat I understand Pauls move.

We decided to focuse on custom production (which is hard to do now due to USD ratio) and our nonadult biz for some time and will see what happens.

Wish you luck Paul - you are sick-old-freak but still very respectable and honest man as you've always been.

MasterKeyword 02-19-2008 06:35 AM
you all complain but not one person do anything about it.. its no wonder they DO IT.... they know you wont do nothing about it.. fuck you don't even have to spend $10k retainer on lawyer to find out who SITE X is, they are on all your fucking payrolls...

Sorry, I dont buy into this BS content producers are hurting for one second...

Barefootsies 02-19-2008 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dennis Rodman (Post 13799795)
Creative magic links created by a 90 year old dinosaur thinking that if it was placed this way, it would not be his fault and the GFYers and adult webmastering community would not blame him.

The sad part is that the old mother fucker tends to forget that we are the ones that pay monthly bandwidth bills, and we know what type of TBs these cocksuckers are going through, so they would not for ONE FUCKING SECOND send a surfer to a link unless the ad was paid for. Especially on a semi-high traffic site like that one.

It's called falt fee advertising. They have been paid, and my name isn't on the check. Who do you think signed it? fucking idiot. :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Barefootsies 02-19-2008 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by xclusive (Post 13799807)
We're all fucked now they have all our content and Magic join links:(
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

bashbug 02-19-2008 08:09 AM
Who cares Paul will be dead in another year or so, whats he like 192 now?

tranza 02-19-2008 10:50 AM
I wonder if your business isn't slow because of all the bad decisions you made, like this one just now.

Seriously, you seem to make 1 bad decision after another. You just lost all my respect and traffic because of your post.

:(

tony286 02-19-2008 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13801412)
GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.
That's what Fred Goldman is doing, Bt's were giving away the OJ book he has the legal rights to. His lawyer we cant stop them from giving it away but they can do it from the poor house. They win it sets precedent the house of cards will fall.

Kimmykim 02-19-2008 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tranza (Post 13802842)
I wonder if your business isn't slow because of all the bad decisions you made, like this one just now.

Seriously, you seem to make 1 bad decision after another. You just lost all my respect and traffic because of your post.

:(
Unfortunately for you Paul, there is more than a grain of truth in this comment. You've alienated people for years, and what it seems to boil down to is that your arrogant defense of how great your business was run doesn't seem to hold water, if you're resorting to this sort of thing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about making money, I simply don't think that you're going to realize the income or profit from this arrangement that you are betting on seeing.

stickyfingerz 02-19-2008 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13802863)
That's what Fred Goldman is doing, Bt's were giving away the OJ book he has the legal rights to. His lawyer we cant stop them from giving it away but they can do it from the poor house. They win it sets precedent the house of cards will fall.
Ya Fred Goldman will stop em. :thumbsup :uhoh Seriously so if you stop torrents or tubes what next? Ever hear of FIOS ? Next will be a group of people sharing files via msn messenger or yahoo. Person to person a few hours if that to send a full dvd once fiber becomes the standard. Enough with the naive and wasted effort of trying to stop this shit post theft. THE ONLY WAY to stop piracy is to keep the content from being stolen in the first place. This means industry wide changes. This means the content we give out must be rented not owned by the member. People with the big money need to unite together to come up with a solution. Newsgroups got stopped right? lol

tony286 02-19-2008 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 13803023)
Ya Fred Goldman will stop em. :thumbsup :uhoh Seriously so if you stop torrents or tubes what next? Ever hear of FIOS ? Next will be a group of people sharing files via msn messenger or yahoo. Person to person a few hours if that to send a full dvd once fiber becomes the standard. Enough with the naive and wasted effort of trying to stop this shit post theft. THE ONLY WAY to stop piracy is to keep the content from being stolen in the first place. This means industry wide changes. This means the content we give out must be rented not owned by the member. People with the big money need to unite together to come up with a solution. Newsgroups got stopped right? lol
newsgroups dont depend on ads.

signupdamnit 02-19-2008 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 13801398)
Well one way or another nobody promotes Paul program so he have nothing to lose.
The reason I never promoted him is because I often saw him posting things that seemed to show that he did not respect his affiliates.

Mikey 02-19-2008 01:10 PM
so basically its is everyone else's fault that drove him to this point.

blame society.

if only we all bought more content or send more traffic to his site, well boo-fucking-hoo.

did he ever think that if he didn't ostracize people in his posts more people would have?

its his decision though. showing respect to him because he came forward and admitted what he is doing is bullshit though.

eMonk 02-19-2008 01:55 PM
it looks like all of these tube sites are generating a lot of freeloaders. i can't see them making much money or the sponsers that support them. Sponsers seeing a big increase in their bandwidth bill & less sales would be no surprise - burn baby burn :1orglaugh


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