VEROTEL will be able to switch your REBILLs over! - GoFuckYourself.com

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 01:49 PM

At 07:19 PM 10/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Hi,

I'm an adult webmaster, do you accept adult sites?, i'm currently processing with Ibill and WSB, my rebill database is worth 140K/mo.

Absolutely we do. We will have a utility next week to help switch over your
rebill database.

Just apply online!

Best

Paul

[email protected]

tree · 10-06-2002, 01:50 PM

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Brown Bear · 10-06-2002, 01:51 PM

I don't believe them.

Gary · 10-06-2002, 01:52 PM

I would love to know how that is possible.

It certainly wont be with the help of the big 3

UnseenWorld · 10-06-2002, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
I would love to know how that is possible.

It certainly wont be with the help of the big 3

Well, if they DON'T help, it will just damn them even further.

Petr · 10-06-2002, 01:54 PM

Did you tell them that you don't have your own merchant account? That you were using 3rd party billing?

chupacabra · 10-06-2002, 01:55 PM

Quote:

We will have a utility next week to help switch over your rebill database.

somehow i fear that this 'utility' is only a script which email's your current customers nicely asking them to cancel their accounts and then sign-up again over at the new processor when the time comes... i'd love for this not to be the case, as if it weren't for our rebills we wouldn't even be here worrying about this entire affair..

Gary · 10-06-2002, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Well, if they DON'T help, it will just damn them even further.

No, cause if they keep them, it forces people to stay with them. If they suddenly start switching all the rebills over, it makes it real easy to leave.

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 01:56 PM

Of course i told them.

I'm as reluctant to believe that as you are, but the solely announce is sending shockwaves to the 3 stooges, if this can be done, they face extinction real fast.

KingK7 · 10-06-2002, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chupacabra

somehow i fear that this 'utility' is only a script which email's your current customers nicely asking them to cancel their accounts and then sign-up again over at the new processor when the time comes... i'd love for this not to be the case, as if it weren't for our rebills we wouldn't even be here worrying about this entire affair..

Thats exactly what I was thinking too when I saw the headline...

markusborger · 10-06-2002, 01:59 PM

Very Nice Mr. VEROTEL,

But it would be even nicer if you would be able to convert our rebill database from IBILL or WSB directly to DiBill billing as they are the best one currently

tree · 10-06-2002, 01:59 PM

Gary · 10-06-2002, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markusborger
Very Nice Mr. VEROTEL,

But it would be even nicer if you would be able to convert our rebill database from IBILL or WSB directly to DiBill billing as they are the best one currently

Shouldnt you make sure dibill is still in business?

Brown Bear · 10-06-2002, 02:03 PM

what the fuck is dibill?

Manga1 · 10-06-2002, 02:03 PM

What gives the Big 3 the right to not release your rebills to another processor? Those are YOUR customers. If you demanded that they be transferred to another processor I would think they would have to comply. I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that holding YOUR customers hostage so you can't move to another processor would be illegal.

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 02:03 PM

You read my mind, i think is some kind of email stuff. But we most wait an see.

Anyway, the initiative is a sign that at least someone it trying to addressing the problem, with this, some other company will try to find a better solution.

DAMN IT!, we are a community, let's exercise our collective power!, let's force them do what we need!

Brown Bear · 10-06-2002, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manga1
What gives the Big 3 the right to not release your rebills to another processor? Those are YOUR customers. If you demanded that they be transferred to another processor I would think they would have to comply. I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that holding YOUR customers hostage so you can't move to another processor would be illegal.

are you sure they're your customers? did you read the terms when you signed up?

ozzymandius · 10-06-2002, 02:04 PM

i think verotel is simply talking about an email utility and opt-in page. 2000charge and globill also have that.

But whatever it is, it's good to see that webmasters at least have options and don't completely have to kiss their rebills goodbye.

Besides, if your users *really* lke your site, there is no reason why they would not opt-in to be rebilled with a new processor. On ther other hand, if your users don't really like your site and you make it hard for them to cancel rebilling (naughty boy!) then you should be very worried about losing rebills.

In other words, honest webmasters with good sites don't really have a lot to worry about. Their users should stick with them in a move to a new biller.

Now how many of us are honest webmasters with good sites?

Steve G · 10-06-2002, 02:07 PM

You cant transfer rebills from a 3rd party

THey are being charged by IBILL lets say
thats what shows up on their statement
And thats what MUST show on their statements

So its just not possible to do it
unless you email all customers and basically tell them to resignup

NETbilling · 10-06-2002, 02:11 PM

Manga1,

Those customers do not belong to you. They belong to whomever holds the data and the merchant account. Can you view and download your entire database? I doubt it.

Only if you have your own merchant account, do the customers belong to you. This has always been the case with 3rd party... no control. Are you ready to take control? We can help.

Thank you, Mitch Farber
Netbilling.com

ozzymandius · 10-06-2002, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve G
You cant transfer rebills from a 3rd party

THey are being charged by IBILL lets say
thats what shows up on their statement
And thats what MUST show on their statements

So its just not possible to do it
unless you email all customers and basically tell them to resignup

I believe Steve is entirely correct. But again, this should not be a problem if some of these other billers have auto-emails to notify all your users. As long as your site is good and your membership audience faithful, then I think most users WOULD sign-up with your new biller to continue their memberships.

It's the fly-by-night webmasters with shitty sites that have the most to worry about as most of their rebills WILL drop out.

Just my

NETbilling · 10-06-2002, 02:13 PM

By the way, If you can get your processors to release their database of the customers, we can import them inopt our system and contuinue rebilling. We do it regularly when people swtich from other processors to us.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 02:17 PM

I agree with ozzy,

But even in the case of an email solution, you have nothing to worry about if you have a good product, i have more than 1200 customers that are with me since 1997!

But even in the case of an email solution, some help will not hurt because switching over is not going to be piece of cake.

SunTzu · 10-06-2002, 02:18 PM

A few facts about Verotel you may want to know before you signup..

The good - They don't ask for any tax ID/SS # when you signup.

The Bad - Their affiliate program only allows up to 50% payout.

Schwick · 10-06-2002, 02:22 PM

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ControlThy · 10-06-2002, 02:51 PM

Mitch is right.
The rebills are NOT yours, you are merely using the merchant account of your third party processor..

Sad but true....

MAGNET · 10-06-2002, 02:58 PM

Isn?t VEROTEL the company that sends a nice email remainder to the client every month that they are going to rebill his credit card and if he would like to cancel he can do so now before they will rebill him??

DatsMyStapler · 10-06-2002, 03:36 PM

Yep, thats them. Try talking to a real person from that company too. Its fucking impossible

Pleasurepays · 10-06-2002, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markusborger
Very Nice Mr. VEROTEL,

But it would be even nicer if you would be able to convert our rebill database from IBILL or WSB directly to DiBill billing as they are the best one currently

yes.... of course DiBill.... we have all heard of them.
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

people like you and the shit you are selling is one of the bigger reasons for all the problems we have. Visa and Mastercard are trying like hell to distance themselves from idiots like you.

_________
disclaimer:

my post was not meant in any way to make fun of this fucking idiot and and any others, who get more turned on by a poodles asshole, than by a 20 year old blond girl in tight shorts.
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Tornado · 10-06-2002, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
By the way, If you can get your processors to release their database of the customers, we can import them into our system and contuinue rebilling. We do it regularly when people switch from other processors to us.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Seems to me from the above message, that even if one does not legally own the customers and the rebills that go along with them that you may still be able to convince a 3 party billing co to release the necessary database info. Seems to happen regularly. How much arm twisting would that require Mitch?

Sounds a bit similar to the situation involving US cell phone companies who are fighting with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to stall for more time until they have to release cell phone numbers to customers who choose to switch companies for whatever reason. BTW FCC has held off on the order till sometime in the near future. I think its next year. That should REALLY cause some heavy competition!!

10-06-2002, 01:49 PM	#1
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	VEROTEL will be able to switch your REBILLs over! At 07:19 PM 10/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I'm an adult webmaster, do you accept adult sites?, i'm currently processing with Ibill and WSB, my rebill database is worth 140K/mo. Absolutely we do. We will have a utility next week to help switch over your rebill database. Just apply online! Best Paul [email protected] __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

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El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Of course i told them. I'm as reluctant to believe that as you are, but the solely announce is sending shockwaves to the 3 stooges, if this can be done, they face extinction real fast. __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

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El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	You read my mind, i think is some kind of email stuff. But we most wait an see. Anyway, the initiative is a sign that at least someone it trying to addressing the problem, with this, some other company will try to find a better solution. DAMN IT!, we are a community, let's exercise our collective power!, let's force them do what we need! __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

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tree Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,601	El Demonio loves the cock!

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Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	I would love to know how that is possible. It certainly wont be with the help of the big 3

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Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	Did you tell them that you don't have your own merchant account? That you were using 3rd party billing?

10-06-2002, 01:59 PM	#11
markusborger So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 145	Very Nice Mr. VEROTEL, But it would be even nicer if you would be able to convert our rebill database from IBILL or WSB directly to DiBill billing as they are the best one currently

10-06-2002, 02:03 PM	#15
Manga1 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Malakiaville Posts: 952	What gives the Big 3 the right to not release your rebills to another processor? Those are YOUR customers. If you demanded that they be transferred to another processor I would think they would have to comply. I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that holding YOUR customers hostage so you can't move to another processor would be illegal.

10-06-2002, 02:04 PM	#18
ozzymandius Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 111	i think verotel is simply talking about an email utility and opt-in page. 2000charge and globill also have that. But whatever it is, it's good to see that webmasters at least have options and don't completely have to kiss their rebills goodbye. Besides, if your users really lke your site, there is no reason why they would not opt-in to be rebilled with a new processor. On ther other hand, if your users don't really like your site and you make it hard for them to cancel rebilling (naughty boy!) then you should be very worried about losing rebills. In other words, honest webmasters with good sites don't really have a lot to worry about. Their users should stick with them in a move to a new biller. Now how many of us are honest webmasters with good sites?

10-06-2002, 02:07 PM	#19
Steve G Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 209	You cant transfer rebills from a 3rd party THey are being charged by IBILL lets say thats what shows up on their statement And thats what MUST show on their statements So its just not possible to do it unless you email all customers and basically tell them to resignup

10-06-2002, 02:11 PM	#20
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Manga1, Those customers do not belong to you. They belong to whomever holds the data and the merchant account. Can you view and download your entire database? I doubt it. Only if you have your own merchant account, do the customers belong to you. This has always been the case with 3rd party... no control. Are you ready to take control? We can help. Thank you, Mitch Farber Netbilling.com __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-06-2002, 02:13 PM	#22
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	By the way, If you can get your processors to release their database of the customers, we can import them inopt our system and contuinue rebilling. We do it regularly when people swtich from other processors to us. Thank you, Mitch Farber __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

10-06-2002, 02:17 PM	#23
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	I agree with ozzy, But even in the case of an email solution, you have nothing to worry about if you have a good product, i have more than 1200 customers that are with me since 1997! But even in the case of an email solution, some help will not hurt because switching over is not going to be piece of cake. __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-06-2002, 02:18 PM	#24
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	A few facts about Verotel you may want to know before you signup.. The good - They don't ask for any tax ID/SS # when you signup. The Bad - Their affiliate program only allows up to 50% payout.

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10-06-2002, 02:51 PM	#26
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	Mitch is right. The rebills are NOT yours, you are merely using the merchant account of your third party processor.. Sad but true....

10-06-2002, 02:58 PM	#27
MAGNET Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TORONTO Posts: 357	Isn?t VEROTEL the company that sends a nice email remainder to the client every month that they are going to rebill his credit card and if he would like to cancel he can do so now before they will rebill him?? __________________ Promote SheTalksDirty.com! A New DIRTY TALKING Niche! 64% CCBILL Rev-Share, 5% Webmaster Referral! \| Click Here Free Dirty Talking Video Content \| Hosted Movie Galleries Available! \| ICQ: 161851633

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