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El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 08:44 PM

Look Mr. WSB instead of correcting my spell of the arabic name for God, WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK AND SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM WITHOUT FUCKING OUR ASSES?

If you are so good at spelling, i'm sure you were one of the writers of the VISA rules, no doubt.

Asshole.

El Demonio · 10-06-2002, 08:54 PM

Globill said it first, this is pointed to terminate 3rd party billing:

"The new Visa rules in particular are directed against "aggregators" which specifically means companies such as ours in the third-party industry. The new rules are slated to come into effect very shortly within the US. These rules would make the third-party model prohibitively expensive for the industry. It would essentially be rendered impractical. Some billing companies such as Lancelot have decided to shut down rather than continue under the Visa/Mastercard regime.

However, not all regions of the world come under the new rules. The merchant banking industry is broken up into different regions such as North America, Europe, Asia etc. Each region can decide to opt in or opt out. While the US region has opted in, other regions have opted out. GloBill has decided to run its business with reputable banks in the opt-out regions. Not all billing companies have the capital, know how or foresight to set up merchant accounts with these particular banks and that is why I foresee some of these companies going under over the next few months.

With this move, GloBill feels it will emerge as one of the most stable companies in the industry.

Adrian Martin
Vice President
Glo-Bill.com "

Now, the 3 stooges know this is the end for them UNLESS.... unless they can incorporate us all into US, ha ha ha...

They now that, if they fail to force us, it is the fucking end for them and if they don't die, it will be becasue they could come up with some solution, fine, then let them agonize and find that solution.

they deserve it for being arrogant all this years.

You heard that rnicey from WSbilling?, YOU KNOW YOU ARE FUCKED, IF WE DON'T FOLLOW YOUR TRICK YOU ARE DOOMED

What do you have to add?, huh?, what happens if all your customers decide NOT to follow your suit?

hyper · 10-06-2002, 09:06 PM

Thanks for the info

Nautilus · 10-06-2002, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rnicey
Actually that's not entirely true. We knew something was coming, but as usual with the big V they didn't clarify until just recently... As soon as we had a solid enough view of it, we passed it on.

I understand the frustration and the anger. You're not the only ones.

When did WSB notify it's clients about new VISA regulations? I'm not your client and I don't know when you informed your customers, and I do not want to speculate. But I certainly do hope your clients knew that BEFORE or at least THE SAME INSTANT notorious now "joint statement" was published here on GFY.

As iBill customer I was informed several days LATER. Don't you think that is outrageous? As a customer I deserve to know there are troubles going my way BEFORE the GFY knows. Do not remember anything in our contract saying I have to consult GFY for the recent updates.

hyper · 10-06-2002, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nautilus

As iBill customer I was informed several days LATER. Don't you think that is outrageous?

Just ask people about the web900 fiasco by ibill

then you will see thats nothing

Nautilus · 10-06-2002, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper

Just ask people about the web900 fiasco by ibill

then you will see thats nothing

You're right. With the ass acking from the fresh pain I forgot I was already fucked by them not so long before

brocklanders · 10-06-2002, 11:14 PM

Who said Adult accounts for a small % of Visa's revenue? That's bullshit. 2/3's of a multi-billion dollar industry is not noticeable to them? Guess again bro.

Terenzo · 10-07-2002, 12:23 AM

if at least a few of you form this processor-pool thing, then make it public, we will pick those sponsors first then, and suggest to everyone to do the same. this will put some pressure on lameass sponsors as well.

Jayson · 10-07-2002, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brocklanders
Who said Adult accounts for a small % of Visa's revenue? That's bullshit. 2/3's of a multi-billion dollar industry is not noticeable to them? Guess again bro.

Ibill process about 450million from memory - Visa process about 2 Trillion. Do the math and see how much of a dent it will make. And yes I know its not just Ibill but if you add it all toether it is still small.

And there is a difference between adult, and internet adult - the later obviously being smaller.

IanUK · 10-07-2002, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Just ask people about the web900 fiasco by ibill

IBill need to feel some pain, so they get an idea of how their clients feel when dealing with them.

What a fucked up piece of shit the CMI is - one part of it never tallies with the other, try getting a daily total, in one place it will say one figure and in another a totally different one.
Not to mention the frequent slowness and downtime

On a personal note the Visa issue is just the last straw for me, As a UK based webmaster it looks as tho I'm gonna have to jump ship anyhow (of course I've asked Ibill for clarification of this but have not got any answer at all, mind you its only been 3 days)

And that WSB fucktard that corrected another guys spelling rather than answering the questions just lost them a potential client. I shall watch with glee as IBill go down

dacash · 10-07-2002, 05:32 AM

Well what i think is that if all webmasters bend over and take this new regulation, well that leaves a door open for some more...

What do you think, if we all say ok VISA you can do that but that's it, yeah right, they will just come out with something new and more fees and shit.

the problem in this industry is that the mainstream doesn't take us serouisly, why? Because we are working with sex?

We fucking developped the internet to where it is, we are the pionneers, without us, the internet would still be a Text base thing.

Well anyways, it's about time we get some respect from the mainstream world and George Bush can kiss my ass with his anti Porn.

WEll i said enought

Adult Don · 10-07-2002, 05:50 AM

visa - people world wide can get a card

webmasters - need to us incoporate to be able to take credit cards

thats fucked up and illegal!

Adult Don · 10-07-2002, 05:54 AM

This ain't negotiation time. This is Scarface, final scene, f**kin' bazookas under each arm, 'say hello to my little friend!

El Demonio · 10-07-2002, 09:18 AM

Watch this, it is from globosale.com:

Hi,

Since our company and most of our merchant banks are located in
Switzerland (Europe) the new US banking regulation (the real reason for
the new visa and mastercard regulations) doesn't affect us in any way.
Therefore we can offer you a stable and long term business relationship.

Your most important question: yes, we can work with your existing
password file and therefore we can work as backup processor. We do only
add and delete password file entries. The only problem that can occur is
if both processors tries to manage the same login name. It's technically
impossible to handle this.

Your users can freely choose their login name. The password will be
generated by our system and mailed to the customer. With this we enforce
your customer to enter a valid email address.

What else do you need to know?
Again, signup and check out everything. Most questions will be answered
by checking out our system.

Thank you.

Regards,
Roli
globoSALE.net

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: TI Customer Service [mailto:[email protected]]
Bereitgestellt: Montag, 7. Oktober 2002 17:08
Bereitgestellt in: 2 - HELP
Unterhaltung: AW: Interested
Betreff: Re: AW: Interested

Ok, this is about new VISA regulations, how are you doing about that?,
can you please give me details about how you operate, how you manage
member adding/deleting etc.do you support a backup processor? the more
details the best.

10-06-2002, 08:44 PM	#51
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Look Mr. WSB instead of correcting my spell of the arabic name for God, WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK AND SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM WITHOUT FUCKING OUR ASSES? If you are so good at spelling, i'm sure you were one of the writers of the VISA rules, no doubt. Asshole. __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-06-2002, 08:54 PM	#52
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Globill said it first, this is pointed to terminate 3rd party billing: "The new Visa rules in particular are directed against "aggregators" which specifically means companies such as ours in the third-party industry. The new rules are slated to come into effect very shortly within the US. These rules would make the third-party model prohibitively expensive for the industry. It would essentially be rendered impractical. Some billing companies such as Lancelot have decided to shut down rather than continue under the Visa/Mastercard regime. However, not all regions of the world come under the new rules. The merchant banking industry is broken up into different regions such as North America, Europe, Asia etc. Each region can decide to opt in or opt out. While the US region has opted in, other regions have opted out. GloBill has decided to run its business with reputable banks in the opt-out regions. Not all billing companies have the capital, know how or foresight to set up merchant accounts with these particular banks and that is why I foresee some of these companies going under over the next few months. With this move, GloBill feels it will emerge as one of the most stable companies in the industry. Adrian Martin Vice President Glo-Bill.com " Now, the 3 stooges know this is the end for them UNLESS.... unless they can incorporate us all into US, ha ha ha... They now that, if they fail to force us, it is the fucking end for them and if they don't die, it will be becasue they could come up with some solution, fine, then let them agonize and find that solution. they deserve it for being arrogant all this years. You heard that rnicey from WSbilling?, YOU KNOW YOU ARE FUCKED, IF WE DON'T FOLLOW YOUR TRICK YOU ARE DOOMED What do you have to add?, huh?, what happens if all your customers decide NOT to follow your suit? __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.

10-06-2002, 09:06 PM	#53
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	Thanks for the info __________________

10-07-2002, 12:23 AM	#58
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	if at least a few of you form this processor-pool thing, then make it public, we will pick those sponsors first then, and suggest to everyone to do the same. this will put some pressure on lameass sponsors as well. __________________ Signature Spot - USD 5000 / month

10-07-2002, 05:32 AM	#61
dacash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some where in a basement Posts: 609	Well what i think is that if all webmasters bend over and take this new regulation, well that leaves a door open for some more... What do you think, if we all say ok VISA you can do that but that's it, yeah right, they will just come out with something new and more fees and shit. the problem in this industry is that the mainstream doesn't take us serouisly, why? Because we are working with sex? We fucking developped the internet to where it is, we are the pionneers, without us, the internet would still be a Text base thing. Well anyways, it's about time we get some respect from the mainstream world and George Bush can kiss my ass with his anti Porn. WEll i said enought __________________ ____________ Marc

10-06-2002, 11:14 PM	#57
brocklanders Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 297	Who said Adult accounts for a small % of Visa's revenue? That's bullshit. 2/3's of a multi-billion dollar industry is not noticeable to them? Guess again bro.

10-07-2002, 05:50 AM	#62
Adult Don Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cosa Nostra Posts: 98	visa - people world wide can get a card webmasters - need to us incoporate to be able to take credit cards thats fucked up and illegal! __________________ BaddaBing!!

10-07-2002, 05:54 AM	#63
Adult Don Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cosa Nostra Posts: 98	This ain't negotiation time. This is Scarface, final scene, f**kin' bazookas under each arm, 'say hello to my little friend!

10-07-2002, 09:18 AM	#64
El Demonio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 237	Watch this, it is from globosale.com: Hi, Since our company and most of our merchant banks are located in Switzerland (Europe) the new US banking regulation (the real reason for the new visa and mastercard regulations) doesn't affect us in any way. Therefore we can offer you a stable and long term business relationship. Your most important question: yes, we can work with your existing password file and therefore we can work as backup processor. We do only add and delete password file entries. The only problem that can occur is if both processors tries to manage the same login name. It's technically impossible to handle this. Your users can freely choose their login name. The password will be generated by our system and mailed to the customer. With this we enforce your customer to enter a valid email address. What else do you need to know? Again, signup and check out everything. Most questions will be answered by checking out our system. Thank you. Regards, Roli globoSALE.net -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: TI Customer Service [mailto:[email protected]] Bereitgestellt: Montag, 7. Oktober 2002 17:08 Bereitgestellt in: 2 - HELP Unterhaltung: AW: Interested Betreff: Re: AW: Interested Ok, this is about new VISA regulations, how are you doing about that?, can you please give me details about how you operate, how you manage member adding/deleting etc.do you support a backup processor? the more details the best. __________________ WE ARE ALL ONE CIRCLE, NO BEGINNING, NO END.