Actually, if you are selling content that you are shipping on a DVD, there is no monthly minimum. It is only for downloadable to get a merchant account that has the minimum and if you are in the US, we can now place you for smaller monthly amounts.

i have yet to understand why it is a higher risk when clients download the content right after their purchase compared to me burning a DVD with that content and send it by mail. this makes absolutely no sense at all.

what no one seems to understand is that we are a business to business operation that sells to webmasters - who can download their purchased content right after making their payment.

it has nothing to do with "downloadable content" that is offered to surfers on paysites - but it's being thrown in the same pot. it is stupid, it makes no sense and no one will ever convince me of something different.

and no, we're still not based in the US

but we have found a good solution with www.paysite-cash.biz - everything works like we need it, their rate is reasonable, they offer american express and they pay on time every week.

so - my search is over for now

Here's the reason: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/tex...on=&in_chn_id=
Hard to believe any biller would be so short sighted. We billed one quite big site with them for over 3 years and have been told that all is lost.

I never heard of this company.....

In that article they also mentioned NetCash - anyone know if they're also facing the same issues?

considering ibill was the second biggest processor and they went out of business and fucked a lot of people, I would say that you never lost 1 cent to a billing corp because either A. you never used one, B. you don't make any money, or C. you are extremely lucky, or D. you have only ever used ccbill.


Lots of smart people have lost lots of money to a billing company either from using them for their own sites or by being an affiliate of a company that used them.

If you have been around since 99 or earlier there were 3 big billing companies back then... ccbill, ibill, and drm/web800.

DRM/Web800 went out of business late 99, early 2000. Lots of people got fucked.

Ibill went out of business 2005?, lots of people got fucked.


ccbill is the only one left of the orginal big three. So no matter how smart you are, if you have been around for 10 years or so there is a very good chance you have lost money to a third party biller in the past. And it's not from using smaller unknown companies either, the big ones have gone down just the same as the smaller ones.

Easy enough to say from your position :) I for one will probably never be able to bill with ccbill given my nationality and residence, and I know people with tame, legal content that have a difficult time finding billing as well.

We are in the Czech Republic. You will be working with us?

Congrats to all the winners?

Hi,

We can but the bank will not unless you have and EU corp and are processing over 20k per month.

Hi Paul,

I am glad you have a merchant account. Always a smart move when possible IMO.

Sakra :-(

I fully agree. They were recommended to us and excellent.

One thing no one understands is that if you are in Canada, you really have no bloody choice.
paycom is out of question, no visa processor at all. and how many can do over $100000 a year?

:thumbsup

i guess time has come for me to get incorporated in EU

has anyone set up with zombaio?? Anyone getting paid so far? brickbats or bouquets?

just gets to show
 

When choosing a processor attention should be palced on whom you place your trust, we, at Global Acces have been in the bussines for a long time, and never missed a single payment

Eva just gave me the figures and we lost a lot of money.

So I'm preparing a few packages and open for deals, need to recoup a few thousand dollars. Quite a few. :Oh crap

So hit me up on ICQ, Skype or phone me +420 603 298 001

At least with content you can get something back.

Lets make a deal!!! :thumbsup

Hit me up please.

We are accepted on Epoch, so might process the content stores with them. However ...............

Hi Guys ,
I didnt mean to bust anyones balls! or try to be smart,maybe I didnt word the reply good.

Sorry to hear you lost money Paul,hope it works out.

MaDalton yes I know its difficult for most adult operations not based in the usa.

What I was actually trying to say was everyday it seems a new no name processor comes along and people jump on it fast and without much research then later watch thier money vanish ouch! as everyone knows losing money is not fun.

Of course many have to take any processor available

With ibill I watched as many continued to process with them long after the first warning signs.

Yes Will76 I have always processed with CCbill and with my own merchant account to spread the risk,lucky not to have lost $ of course!!! as it can happen to anyone but I did check as much info as I could before I even started.

Hope that helped :)

Don't worry about it Christina, this is GFY and it gets tough here. LOL

Content providers are in a different position to many others, we don't do $30 orders, more like $300. We need processors who can handle this and can bill for a license rather than a membership.

IBILL is a good example of how trusting many of us are.

Webstream were good for years and years, but it seems they were billing for a company they should not of been anywhere near. So the next time a processor says "Don't do that." listen. Because this has cost more than me a lot of money. Our reserve has gone, will we get it? If Webstream get it yes, I trust them.

anyone have any info on this?

When i started there really was no difference between ccbill, ibill, and drm. they were all pretty new companies and all were about the same size with the same features. It was luck to have had selected one over the other. It is easy for someone in the last couple years to select ccbill, there are in a class by themselves. But several years ago this was not the case.

Thanks Paul M, thanks Will76,

I didnt want to start a war or impression I was a smart ass,I only want to be here to discuss subjects, be totally honest with my experiences/ideas and be supportive of most things but also be a critic with some backbone :thumbsup.

Well thats my aim :)

I'm really so not surprised. Webstream was a fraud nightmare.

The lesson that processors need to learn is if you process for something Visa does not like you and us will lose money.

didn't they spam every webmaster with their "Hi, my name is Zach..." e-mails?

Can anyone suggest a good US solution for online processing of DVDs with BDSM content? Netbilling is not an option.

You do not need to be doing 100k, just 20k for us to help you.

Have you considered our Voice Pin to enter system?

12 * 20k = $240000

he is talking about the yearly amount what i readed. so its even more than 100k

Looks like visa/mastercard is serious having strict rules.

I don't remember drm but I was about to pick Ibill over CCbill when I first started....However, the B.S. that IBill put you through to get an account vs. the efficiency of CCbill made me go with CCbill....

You also must remember back in the day when there were fucked up Ibill threads almost everyday LONG before they closed up shop....I even remember way back in 2003 when I was in Florida, EVERY major biller had a representative on the stage except Ibill......Even though I wasn't processing with them, I knew something was wrong....

So next time someone complains about CCBILL or Epoch being tough remember it's your money they are protecting.

Nice thread here.... Also, nice to see all of the processors squaking here like vultures over another porcessor's corpse...:" Me Me Me I take you and then fuck you"..... Come on people, Webstream went down because some assehole murdered a girl and said he saw it on TV ( OK Internet then) and all like lemmings to the sea are here screaming about "do not process bad guys" like the Taliban of all processors CCBill has in its AUP:warning

They would not process: Hostel,Saw and likley not even Schindlers List or Killing Fields....that how anal they are and the rest of them. It is simply the decline of the American/European Empire(s).

why dont you elaborate a bit more here about your company, capabilities and how long it has been in business etc ???

ibill was in trouble for a long time before they fell and it was pretty clear to anyone that had their eyes open. there were THE processor for spammers and once that all stopped, they fell apart, were sold, fell apart some more, 900 payouts stopped... payments got later and later etc etc etc... then they totally collapsed. there was no surprise at all. many people took the gamble in the end, because they didn't want to lose rebills... so they made a bad choice and paid for it.

your post has nothing to do with what she said. the point is that people went with an unknown vs the 2-3 very well known, very solid companies that have withstood the test of time and then they all come and bitch and complain when it goes south.

why?

because this business is full of anti-social, backwards idiots that have to go their own way and be totally different than everyone else... when they end up paying for it, they don't deserve sympathy or credit for being "different"

this is the only business in the world besides a racist cult, where you can show up on a forum and call everyone n|gger and cunt like trey did and build a company from it simply because it appeals to all the idiots and kids with no business sense that want to be different.

exactly. it annoys the hell out of me when people say "Ibill was a reputable company......" as an example to point out that "it can happen to you".

My Turn!
 

Webstream is a successful mid-sized S. Florida hosting company that went into billing originally to assist their hosting clients with a quiet, efficient, well-run business model. They have been working at it for years - at least six I know of - and I really can't remember hearing much negative before this. It appears to be a breakdown in compliance inspection that caught them up with Visa/MC which should have everyone increasing their vigilance rather than anything else, as this appears to have been a somewhat glaring oversight...

And since everyone did jump in with offers :1orglaugh Webbilling.com can offer you the primary preferred method for EU webmasters to pay for their content purchases [and surfers to join your sites] in Germany, Austria, Spain, The Netherlands and the United Kingdom with no min/max amount, virtual or hard goods delivery.

Most likely anything you'd want to know is in this blog entry: Your 'Alternative' Billing Self-Test

Great discussion, and see everyone in Phoenix - write or ICQ if you'd like to meet :thumbsup