You welcome, be aware of them... so far I haven't heard anything from those pussy-shavers, I am still interested about their point of view. With respect to the facts, there should be more people like me in the same situation but still no answers from maxcash'ers

still no answers ... and that on a sunday

Why would they answer? This thread isn't geared toward a "hey help me out here" type response. You're trying to start some one sided drama.

You can post images - but you didn't.
You can post url's of the pages where you're "sending" traffic to them - but don't.

Why not try with putting your ducks in a row first - then ask folks to grab their pitchforks and torches to storm the barn...

Loading a site on a console and "sending traffic" - especially to a sponsor isn't the same thing - are you doing that?

Are you geo-targeting worthless gallery traffic to their tours and expecting a sale from traffic even your link partners wouldn't want?

I ain't saying you're doing it, but if you're linking galleries to their tours, chances are some of your link trades are doing the same thing so of course your uniques/raws would be disproportional - they just saw the same tours from the site they were at before being "sent" to your site and didn't join then either.

Uh se traffic can be totally worthless if you use it wrong. It's no magic traffic or anything. If you're sending people looking for big tits to a small tit sponsor you will have shit ratio's.

So many people think their site has awesome traffic because it gets some random se traffic for 40 different terms. That's nothing better than clicked trade traffic.

I'd say higher than that...

I've sent 5000 uniques to a program one day and 0 sales, then the next it converts at 1:500. I don't know what could possibly affect sales like that, always figured it must be processing or something. But it's unpredictable as hell.

It is, you're right, one pay period I have 1:250 and another one way much higher ratios... but not with Maxcash, that's for sure!!!

vanbest ~ Not gonna get into your drama here. I have ONE email from you and it came in this weekend. I'll respond to you in a bit. If you're looking to piss, I can't help ya.

It would seem pretty obvious that if you are having the same troubles with another sponsor and both sponsors have been around a while and are reputable, that you should take a look at how you are sending traffic (as little as it may be). And a quick hint- - if you were to ask for help rather than sending me an email telling me MC sucks and you've posted it, well............


Aly

Just demand that he post his proof. You have a nearly 2 page thread saying you shave. That is not going to go away and honestly do you think most are going to read the whole thing to find your one small response to all of this buried in the pile of comments?

More people need to know how to communicate properly and not make accusations in public without any proof. GFY really should be a last resort place to post issues of support unless you know for a fact that they are screwing people. :2 cents:

Another factor you have to think of is this: Now that there are so many "webmasters" out there...there is a great possibility that the traffic you are sending has already been there through another affiliates code. And if they have been there already they are cookied with that code and the original webmaster gets the sale. I see that happen a lot. Hell, I'm the recipient of a lot of that kind of love. :) That's why I always try to be the firstest with the mostest.

I think you missed my first sentence ; )

Off topic but arnt most cookies overwritten by newest cookie?
Otherwise what is to stop some large traffic site from loading 100 or more cookies the second a person visits, even before they visit a gallery?


50 chances to post proof.

You know, I would have talked to you on icq or via email and taken a look at your traffic and tried to see why it isn't converting. I am rather visible on the boards, so is Damien, so is the other Sarah. Yet, instead you decided to just be a drama queen. Numbers really don't say a great deal unless you know what is behind them. Saying you are staying in your niche doesn't say much about the traffic. SE traffic can be for terms that are of no help to the site you are promoting, etc. If we shaved, I would be pissed off because I spend so many hours of my day helping people make sales.

um 74k raw and 21k uniques? something is seriously fucked up as I can't see how this can be for real if you don't pop 4 windows with 4 maxcash sites on enter or something.

21k uniques of my shittiest 404 chinese underage non creditcard torrentexpert mega popups CJ traffic would generate sales for me.

Maxcash doesn't shave.

yes they are.

Here's the proof. These are the print screen from the beginning of the list, I repeat, these are the stats since I've started promoting their content, not necesarilly in order.

Once again, I'm afraid the partnership from my end will stop here. Either your program doesn't fit my needs and/or traffic, either you have a problem in both communication and content conversions. I've decided to post these stats as I was pissed off about your non-responsive attitude; every webmaster will decide by itself whether or not they'll choose to work with you... it might work for them or not, that is a thing I don't know.

One thing is certain though, you have to work harder and improve your communication skills 'cause before starting this thread, I've tried several times to get a hold on you; that's why I'm so fed up.


http://66.96.222.21/cristian/mystuff..._beginning.jpg
http://66.96.222.21/cristian/mystuff/maxcash_shave1.jpg
http://66.96.222.21/cristian/mystuff/maxcash_shave2.jpg
where this is the final print screen.
http://66.96.222.21/cristian/mystuff/maxcash_shave.jpg

You posted proof of shitty traffic. Congratulations.

To cry 'shaving" is just ignorant and amateur. I'm sure maxcash will survive without your traffic.

The traffic sent was coming only from SE's... before bitchin' why don't you read the thread? See #10. I'm pretty sure you're backing them up, see? it's easy to ASSUME things

and it's too late, I don't care about maxcash anymore, I've already took them out. On the other hand, traffic is king whether you send more or less, that's my opinion.
If you add "shitty" traffic from several (tens or hundreds) webmasters let me know the amount of traffic sent...

SE traffic isn't necessarily good or targetted. If you don't filter it correctly, if you target the wrong keywords normally used by freeloaders and not by buyers, it's as shitty as any 404 traffic.

I don't promote them, no fanboy, but assuming that a program is shaving just because you have ZERO signups is bullshit. If you do 1:200 for a year with several signups a day and suddenly go to 1:12000, it's time to ask questions, but your conversion rate seems to be pretty steady :winkwink:

Having an "old" site doesn't necessarily mean it's crap. Look at the Vivid and related "girl" sites. Some of them have been around like 10 years but yet they are still producing. I earn about $.19 for every unique visitor I send Vivid. Previous year (2007) wasn't to far off from that.

Yet I can send that same traffic, which is clearly premium to a program like Effex Media and make less than half of a half of a cent per unique ($0.0066 per unique to be exact).

I think every type of traffic is different and his type of traffic clearly isn't suited for the Max cash program. I don't think the age of the design of the site has nearly as much to do with it as some people tend to think. Sure somewhat but not in a major, major way like with this guys problem.

So, in your opinion, zero sign-ups is not necesarilly considered shaving? traffic-wise, obvious?

I think this is a very important tool in the wm's hands, how can you prove that a sponsor is doing it or not? if you're consistently making, let's say 1:300 and the next period 0:5000, what will be the first thought that'll go through your mind? what else would you need to find answers? Sometimes, I agree, there might be huge fluctuations but when something like this happens, who will help us?

It kinda sounds like a major problem, when it's not... Cheers to everyone!

arent you 0:2050 ?

This proofs there's no money in porn :)

does any one do good for you? if not, then I think you have the answer to your problem.

I'm at 1 : 1,195 $0.32 and I send a minute amount of traffic. If your claim was true then I definately would have zero sales. You are sending the wrong type of traffic I would guess.

1/436 in 2008 so far with maxcash.

Dude you really think an affiliate program would shave a new affiliate sending good traffic ? They have way more to loose.

You need to be sending a certain ammount of traffic before they start shaving y our ass without you noticing.

On join page hits it looks like.

Nothing you've posted is proof of shaving so you should be banned from the board and shitcanned from Maxcash for that alone. But they're being quite reasonable in their responses to you in spite of your newbish and utterly unreasonable public accusation here.

I've found that over the years there is almost always no point in making this type of thread at a sponsor, but especially so for long-established ones like Maxcash who have paid out millions to affiliates over the years, during which I have never seen anyone (at least no one I recognized) shouting about them cheating anyone. They've been on my list of sponsors for nearly 10 years now and although I have often only sent them a mere trickle of traffic compared to most I still made signups and always got paid like clockwork.

Best thing to do if you're throwing more than 5 or 10 k uniques of GOOD traffic at any one site in maybe a week's time and not seeing any sales is to drop it and put up links to a different site rather than making ridiculous accusations about 100% shaving etc. Either that or find a rep and ask for assistance... and don't come at them with accusations and attitude because that's often a good way to get ignored.

At the very least what you do if you must take it to the board is to post links to your site(s) and show everyone just how you're sending your traffic, where you get your traffic from, and let the more experienced webmasters have a looksee.

It's about finding and fixing the problem, not flying insults and accusations and trying to damage a company over what may very well be *your* inability to properly promote something.

I don't think he's sending enough traffic per day to be getting signups. I know all it takes is one. But still...that's pretty low numbers.

i removed my links after 700 hits because i know something wrong.

don't listen to anyone here!

I've sent a lot more traffic than you and I'm at 1:4000 Nov 1, 2006 to today... My unique to raw and join page to unique ratios are a lot better than yours... My conversions suck so bad because they dropped one of the sites I have promotions out there for and that a lot of the traffic comes in looking for...

Ok so based on what you stated you've sent an average of 44 unique hits a day to a sponsor for 16 months and because you've never made a sale you assume they shave?

You also stated you've been "promoting their content"...so are these hits you sent to their hosted galleries?

You really have a lot to learn.

:1orglaugh

Seems like he was sending 100 clicks a day. So it took him 740 days to send all that traffic.

no proof of shaving here..

VANBEST - all you have posted so far is that your traffic does not convert with they sponsor you are sending your traffic to...

you think maybe "Hmm.. looks like my traffic isn't linking this site, maybe I should switch to a different site and figure out what my traffic wants" ???

jesus.

Post another sponsor stats that you sent 70k uniques to..