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notoldschool 02-06-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 13745623)
You thought you were gonna get away supporting your $1.1 trillion dollar annual war budget without paying for some of it?

I thought you loved that shit man

great response. Hes a chump who wants his cake without working for it.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-06-2008 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13745648)
We could have saved alot of money by not fighting Hitler too. I wonder how differently the world would look today if we had made that choice.

Maybe the Iraq war will one day pay dividends. Maybe yes, maybe no.

There was a big post war economic boom after WWII. Maybe the same thing will happen when the dust settles in Iraq, causing a Middle East renaissance. Maybe oil prices will stabilize or drop a bit.

Let's hope so.

States made WAY more on WW II than they could ever "save" by staying neutral, although Russians really HAVEN'T drived US trucks to Berlin :winkwink:

Of course the Iraq war will pay dividends, although the investition into the oil was huge.

Lamis 02-06-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13746889)
The bottom line:

The war in Iraq may be a good thing.

Did you take your Meds today??...

Just shut up before becoming the new minusonebit. :1orglaugh

You keep gaining enemies on a daily basis here with your Conservative Dictator claims and you will not be able to keep stealing people's money with your worthless overpriced domains.

ner0 02-06-2008 08:22 PM

I agree, Halbucks is a tard.

He needs to read this:
fff.org/comment/AdamsPolicy.asp

"She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart."

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example."

"She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit...."

The warmongers need to wake up and realize the war on terror is a joke and anyone who thinks Iraq and Iran can be conquered and turned into beautiful democracies are fucking whacked. :321GFY

.~. 02-06-2008 09:29 PM

Iraq War = Crime

War on Terror = abandoned?

DaddyHalSucks = One ignorant, stupid motherfucker

Who attacked us on 9/11? Why are we in Iraq? Fucking SCAM!!!


I think the WAR bill should be paid by ONLY THE FUCKERS THAT VOTED FOR BUSH! They have NO ROOM to complain about a higher tax bill with all his government spending in that criminal invasion of Iraq.

Some day someone will hold GWB and his cabinet responsible.

Boobzooka 02-06-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13748339)
You don't have to let anyone suffer. You are free to do as you wish with your money.

What if someone can't afford their rent?
What if someone can't afford a car?
What if someone can't afford their electric bill?
What if someone can't afford a yacht?

What right does one group of people have to take someone else's earnings and give them away for any of these things? Why not a yacht? Buy some serious dignity for the homeless.

What if someone is dying of AIDS in africa?
What if someone is dying of malaria in South America?

Should more money be taken from us to pay for these things? How abut a UN tax?

Dude, seriously? You're comparing life-saving medical treatment to cars and yachts? :ugone2far "Needs" and "wants" aren't so confusing that normal people can't easily tell them apart.

But yeah, I also believe shelter and warmth should be considered a basic human right in the most prosperous country on earth in the 21st century. If civilized society makes you rich, the least you can do is be civil back. You don't have to take this libertarian capitalist thing to the extreme, because like any ideology it breaks down when you get all absolutist about it.

Even if you don't have a moral bone in your body, do it because you still have to live surrounded by these poor/unlucky people and they're less likely to rob or murder you if they're not stuck living in some social darwinist's wet dream.

And sure, eventually we can hope that all the people of the world will do their best to care for eachothers basic needs (though that obviously goes against our selfish natures) but for now our government covers the geography it covers and until we've got that under control we can be excused from not solving the whole worlds problems all at once.

If I could provide everybody with enough to eat, a place to sleep, and care when they're sick by giving away everything I own, I wouldn't hesitate. But alone it would do little good and then I'd be just another needy person myself. Advancing civilization requires everybody working together; in some cases through the sort of organization that only a government can provide.

Signed,
a reclusive atheist who personally can't fucking stand most people most of the time, but somehow I retain some empathy for those suffering the human condition alongside myself.

.~. 02-06-2008 09:34 PM

WHAT FUCKING MORON really thinks that "Democracy" is all they need?

Democracy is NOT A GOOD THING BY ITSELF. IT requires a complex system of checks and balances to make it work.


Democracy = MOB RULES!

Don't fall for stupid Republican "catch phrases"!!!


They hate us for our freedom = FUCKING LIE!

We want to spread Democracy = FUCKING JOKE!

Whenever the majority rules, that society FUCKING ABUSES MINORITY GROUPS!!!!!!


GET A FUCKING CLUE YOU FUCKING REPUBLICAN MORONS - Democracy by itself SUCK DONKEY COCK!!!!!! It is no better than a dictatorship! You ignorant motherfucker.

DaddyHalbucks 02-06-2008 09:56 PM

Moving jobs offshore is a good idea IF we trade up. By 'trade up' I mean move the lower paying jobs offshore. If we have the support of education to replace those lost jobs with higher paying more skilled jobs at home, then it is a very good idea. Unfortunately, I don't think we are doing so well at that. We are replacing lost jobs with umemployment and welfare, a recipe for disaster.

DaddyHalbucks 02-06-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamis (Post 13749042)
Did you take your Meds today??...

Just shut up before becoming the new minusonebit. :1orglaugh

You keep gaining enemies on a daily basis here with your Conservative Dictator claims and you will not be able to keep stealing people's money with your worthless overpriced domains.

If candid, thoughtful, and respectful comments breed 'enemies,' then I am not sure what is lost. I don't think I'd want those people as 'friends.'

:2 cents:

DaddyHalbucks 02-06-2008 10:05 PM

President Harry Truman was hated in his time. Now he is admired as a great.

The same will happen with GWB.

djscrib 02-06-2008 10:39 PM

There's been some very interested studies about tiered tax rates, and what is truly the most effective tax rate (that produces the most revenue).

The answer was a flax tax rate. Reason being, the more you tax the rich (who are your doctors and other smart skilled people generally capable of generating revenue), the more likely they won't try earning that extra $10,000 each year. In the 80's with tax rates of 90%, they simply quit working harder and played golf because why bother.

This meant that they worked less, and hired fewer people.

In fact the studies actually suggested that if a tiered tax rate were in place, it should actually LOWER taxes as you go up each tier, as incentive to generate more revenue.

kane 02-07-2008 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13749402)
Moving jobs offshore is a good idea IF we trade up. By 'trade up' I mean move the lower paying jobs offshore. If we have the support of education to replace those lost jobs with higher paying more skilled jobs at home, then it is a very good idea. Unfortunately, I don't think we are doing so well at that. We are replacing lost jobs with umemployment and welfare, a recipe for disaster.

Yep, the problem is that most of the good paying manufacturing jobs are being replaced with lower paying retail and service industry jobs. In order to make the same money many of these people are in the situation where they have to go back to school and if you have a family and mortgage and commitments that is not always a very realistic option and even it you can manage it you could end up losing a lot in the process.

slapass 02-07-2008 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13745648)
One thing is for sure: the Dems social plans will NEVER pay dividends. Handouts will always lead to more poverty. The poverty pimps will continue to bleed the system for all eternity. A trillion dollars for a war? LOL. Decades of those big government handouts and their further destruction of our country's competitiveness will make a trillion dollars look like chump change.

You know that is not true right? Social programs are much cheaper then military ones. Look at the spendy habits of the last 10 presidents and Republicans are way harder on the budget then Democrats.

This possible tax increase still sucks.

ADL Colin 02-07-2008 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DareRing (Post 13749351)
Dude, seriously? You're comparing life-saving medical treatment to cars and yachts? :ugone2far "Needs" and "wants" aren't so confusing that normal people can't easily tell them apart.

It's called hyperbole. ;-)

ADL Colin 02-07-2008 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DareRing (Post 13749351)
But yeah, I also believe shelter and warmth should be considered a basic human right in the most prosperous country on earth in the 21st century. If civilized society makes you rich, the least you can do is be civil back.

I pay my housekeeper well. That doesn't count for anything?

Dirty Lord 02-07-2008 04:47 AM

Not yet..... :(

slg5 02-07-2008 05:12 AM

fuck, i make $35, what taxes should i pay?

:upsidedow

ADL Colin 02-07-2008 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DareRing (Post 13749351)
You're comparing life-saving medical treatment to cars and yachts?

Why would we want to prolong lives? We want to collectively pool our money to make people live longer so they will have to receive even more money in their old age? Living 78 years is way too long. There was nothing wrong with 65. You're born with the "right" to live about 45 years on average. Not 78. Anything on top of 45 is a "gift". Who really saves lives in this country? Big Pharma. That's right. Pfizer, Merck and the rest. Vaccines created by one man at Merck save 5 million lives every year .


But hey, you really wanna save lives? I can do it a lot easier and it won't you and me a dime. Outlaw cigarette smoking. That will save up to 400,000 lives per year in the US. 20% of all the deaths in the country. Thank you for NOT smoking.

Drake 02-07-2008 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by .~. (Post 13749335)
Iraq War = Crime

War on Terror = abandoned?

DaddyHalSucks = One ignorant, stupid motherfucker

Who attacked us on 9/11? Why are we in Iraq? Fucking SCAM!!!


I think the WAR bill should be paid by ONLY THE FUCKERS THAT VOTED FOR BUSH! They have NO ROOM to complain about a higher tax bill with all his government spending in that criminal invasion of Iraq.

Some day someone will hold GWB and his cabinet responsible.


Daddyhalbucks doesn't understand this. If you allow democratic elections in a former theocracy, they'll elect a religious zealot (ie dictatorship) and you're back where you started. The only way you'll get the secular leadership that you want is by screwing with the election process - something the US is notorious for doing in 3rd world countries.

ADL Colin 02-07-2008 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13749441)
President Harry Truman was hated in his time. Now he is admired as a great.

The same will happen with GWB.

W might make it to average with some luck. His biggest potentially positive legacy will be creating the Department of Homeland Security.

drocd 02-07-2008 08:05 AM

100 people wishing they made 250k/yr

JesseD 02-07-2008 09:13 AM

"In a study for the National Bureau of Economic Research, Boston University economists Laurence J. Kotlikoff and David Rapson have found that our all-in marginal tax rate is 40%"

This includes sales tax, property tax, and income tax. And 40% is probably a conservative estimate for people making over $250 a year. Does anyone really think that the tax rate should be greater than that? Maybe 50% of my money? Why not a majority of my earnings.


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